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The math is indisputable. You can expect to get 20 MPG under normal driving conditions (I can get up to 24 MPG with my truck). Comparable gassers are lucky to get 12 MPG. Spread out over 100,000 miles you save 3333 gallons of fuel. At current prices, that's over $5000 saved (more than the cost of the Cummins option).
The other benefits have mostly been mentioned. Another consideration is the cost and ease to upgrade the power/torque of the Cummins compared to a gasser. It's actually laughable when you think of what you have to do to a gasser to get the same performance increases you can get from a Cummins with a $300 torque plate (12 valve) or the boxes the overvalved ones put on their engines to excite their little teeny electrons. Buy yourself some diesel fumes aftershave and use it!
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1996 Dodge 2500 4X4 SC, SLT, Cummins 12V, 5-spd. , JRE 4" exhaust (my kitty ran off into the woods and the muffler fell off!), TST 280 HP/685 Ft-Lb Uprate Kit, AFC Spring Kit, Horton Fan Clutch, Jacobs/Ram Exhaust Brake, MagHytec Differential Cover, Prime-Loc, Combo Gauge, K&N Filter, Brite-Box, no turbo silencer ring, full-time fog lights. Rancho 9000 shocks coming soon!
The other benefits have mostly been mentioned. Another consideration is the cost and ease to upgrade the power/torque of the Cummins compared to a gasser. It's actually laughable when you think of what you have to do to a gasser to get the same performance increases you can get from a Cummins with a $300 torque plate (12 valve) or the boxes the overvalved ones put on their engines to excite their little teeny electrons. Buy yourself some diesel fumes aftershave and use it!
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1996 Dodge 2500 4X4 SC, SLT, Cummins 12V, 5-spd. , JRE 4" exhaust (my kitty ran off into the woods and the muffler fell off!), TST 280 HP/685 Ft-Lb Uprate Kit, AFC Spring Kit, Horton Fan Clutch, Jacobs/Ram Exhaust Brake, MagHytec Differential Cover, Prime-Loc, Combo Gauge, K&N Filter, Brite-Box, no turbo silencer ring, full-time fog lights. Rancho 9000 shocks coming soon!
Hey Jeepit,
Do you tow a trailer? That's what it took for me. An enclosed snowmobile trailer into a big headwind max speed: 53 mph @ 6 mpg (overdrive locked out and no cruise of course). Now I roll it up to 80, set the cruise and pull 12 mpg (and all the hills I've found on the interstates in WI)!
I working on putting together a local chapter, interested?
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'94 3500 4x4, 196,000 miles, Auto w/shift kit,3. 54 Gears, TST #5 plate, 235-85-16s, Rancho 9000s w/remote, Isspro gauges inplace of cupholder & Amsoil Bumper to Bumper. NRA member.
Do you tow a trailer? That's what it took for me. An enclosed snowmobile trailer into a big headwind max speed: 53 mph @ 6 mpg (overdrive locked out and no cruise of course). Now I roll it up to 80, set the cruise and pull 12 mpg (and all the hills I've found on the interstates in WI)!
I working on putting together a local chapter, interested?
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'94 3500 4x4, 196,000 miles, Auto w/shift kit,3. 54 Gears, TST #5 plate, 235-85-16s, Rancho 9000s w/remote, Isspro gauges inplace of cupholder & Amsoil Bumper to Bumper. NRA member.
Hey Jeepit,
Do you tow a trailer? That's what it took for me. An enclosed snowmobile trailer into a big headwind max speed: 53 mph @ 6 mpg (overdrive locked out and no cruise of course). Now I roll it up to 80, set the cruise and pull 12 mpg (and all the hills I've found on the interstates in WI)!
I working on putting together a local chapter, interested?
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'94 3500 4x4, 196,000 miles, Auto w/shift kit,3. 54 Gears, TST #5 plate, 235-85-16s, Rancho 9000s w/remote, Isspro gauges inplace of cupholder & Amsoil Bumper to Bumper. NRA member.
Do you tow a trailer? That's what it took for me. An enclosed snowmobile trailer into a big headwind max speed: 53 mph @ 6 mpg (overdrive locked out and no cruise of course). Now I roll it up to 80, set the cruise and pull 12 mpg (and all the hills I've found on the interstates in WI)!
I working on putting together a local chapter, interested?
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'94 3500 4x4, 196,000 miles, Auto w/shift kit,3. 54 Gears, TST #5 plate, 235-85-16s, Rancho 9000s w/remote, Isspro gauges inplace of cupholder & Amsoil Bumper to Bumper. NRA member.
Extreme 1, I pull trailer with ,of course, a jeep on it total of 5000ilbs. Agianst the wind is a chore with 7 to 8 mpg. On a good day about 9to10. I am not that cocerned with mileage as I am with power. I love the truck not the engine. If I could only do a transplant. Well, I like the smell of a new truck anyway. Where are you located in Wisconsin. ?
jeepit;
If there is one thing I have learned, it is to NOT try to convince your wife that YOU need a new truck.
It might work this time, but the next time, you will be screwed out of luck.
Here is that I found works REALLY well to get your new things, and most of all, it's a BETTER way, and much less deviant.
1) Your number one goal should NOT be convincing her that YOU want it, but you should focus on getting HER to want the new truck. Since what THEY want is OK, it absolutely is the best way to go#ad
You have to make sure you make the "promotional" material VERY available to her in places where she eventually gets bored and reads something for the sake of it.
2) Ask other CUMMINS owners about how pleased they are with their mileage and towing ability WITH YOUR WIFE PRESENT. This way, it's not just YOUR story. She will think for herself in this way, and start thinking that this really is the way to go.
3) Have her help you call up dealers looking for older USED Dodge Cummins. Since they usually don't exist (always sold out), the salesman will usually say things like "whenever we get one in here, they're gone within a week". A powerful message from someone OTHER than yourself.
4) DON'T RUSH!!!! If there is ever one thing to foil your plans of a new truck, it's to rush things! In all fairness, it's her investment also. This is why I opt for the above plan. Give her time to gradually LEARN about them, then after some time using the above points, she will actually start to WANT the truck.
I always thought that just trying to cram what we want down our wives throat usually ends up in argument and a BIGGER problem each "next time".
My line of thinking is that it is her investment just as much as mine, so for a big ticket item like this, I would prefer her to actually want what she is buying. I just think it lays the ground for better teamwork, and you will BOTH enjoy the purchase that much more.
My . 02
Shawn
If there is one thing I have learned, it is to NOT try to convince your wife that YOU need a new truck.
It might work this time, but the next time, you will be screwed out of luck.
Here is that I found works REALLY well to get your new things, and most of all, it's a BETTER way, and much less deviant.
1) Your number one goal should NOT be convincing her that YOU want it, but you should focus on getting HER to want the new truck. Since what THEY want is OK, it absolutely is the best way to go
#adYou have to make sure you make the "promotional" material VERY available to her in places where she eventually gets bored and reads something for the sake of it.
2) Ask other CUMMINS owners about how pleased they are with their mileage and towing ability WITH YOUR WIFE PRESENT. This way, it's not just YOUR story. She will think for herself in this way, and start thinking that this really is the way to go.
3) Have her help you call up dealers looking for older USED Dodge Cummins. Since they usually don't exist (always sold out), the salesman will usually say things like "whenever we get one in here, they're gone within a week". A powerful message from someone OTHER than yourself.
4) DON'T RUSH!!!! If there is ever one thing to foil your plans of a new truck, it's to rush things! In all fairness, it's her investment also. This is why I opt for the above plan. Give her time to gradually LEARN about them, then after some time using the above points, she will actually start to WANT the truck.
I always thought that just trying to cram what we want down our wives throat usually ends up in argument and a BIGGER problem each "next time".
My line of thinking is that it is her investment just as much as mine, so for a big ticket item like this, I would prefer her to actually want what she is buying. I just think it lays the ground for better teamwork, and you will BOTH enjoy the purchase that much more.
My . 02
Shawn
jeepit - Bring the wife and your checkbook over for dinner and my wife will convince your wife that you should buy our currently 4-sale peacup. See signature below
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'99, 3/4, QC, SLT, 4x4, ISB, 5sp, 3. 5xlsd, tow pac, HD tcase, tow mirrors, camper pac, White over driftwood, Mist gray interior. 4-sale with less than 17,000 miles.
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'99, 3/4, QC, SLT, 4x4, ISB, 5sp, 3. 5xlsd, tow pac, HD tcase, tow mirrors, camper pac, White over driftwood, Mist gray interior. 4-sale with less than 17,000 miles.
Like Shawn said, it needs to be her idea too. I just went through this and it took 2 yrs of working the ol' hide in order to make it happen. I do have a tendency to go through vehicles, so my history wasn't good here. But, here's what I did:
Start quizzing her on the visual differences between the dodge gas vs diesel. (Wow! Look how big that exaust pipe is!!) My wife could tell and thought it fun to I. D. the trucks going down the road.
Start with why you would never own a cowardstroke and why it's engine is not even in the same class as the cummins
Pull over and lift the hood to hear a mysterious 'sound' while in rush hour traffic or when your both in a hurry going somewhere. The babes just want it to run, no questions asked. If you're not sure what the problem is, she'll be very concerned.
Ask to take her vehicle to work because you haven't 'found' the problem with yours.
Start tapping on the guage cluster and yelling, " Oh S--T!!!" a couple of times a month.
Tell her you talked to a fireman who sees alot of accidents with all kinds of vehicles and that you found it interesting that you have a better chance of walking away from a nasty grinder if your vehicle is larger and weighs about 8,000 lbs. (true story)
Ask her what color she likes best in the Dodge truck line.
It worked for me, and after we broke down in the Ford and had to walk 1 mile to the next house at night, she was ready to give the green light for any new vehicle. (That fuel tank switch is a great disabling device!)
Good luck!
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98 qc, 4x4, slt laramie, 3:54 ls diff, 2YG pkg, Kelsey trailer brake control, dodge running boards, diamond plate bed rails, silencer ring in the wife's jewlery box, Raven cab-hi camper shell, psychotty air system, guages next
Start quizzing her on the visual differences between the dodge gas vs diesel. (Wow! Look how big that exaust pipe is!!) My wife could tell and thought it fun to I. D. the trucks going down the road.
Start with why you would never own a cowardstroke and why it's engine is not even in the same class as the cummins
Pull over and lift the hood to hear a mysterious 'sound' while in rush hour traffic or when your both in a hurry going somewhere. The babes just want it to run, no questions asked. If you're not sure what the problem is, she'll be very concerned.
Ask to take her vehicle to work because you haven't 'found' the problem with yours.
Start tapping on the guage cluster and yelling, " Oh S--T!!!" a couple of times a month.
Tell her you talked to a fireman who sees alot of accidents with all kinds of vehicles and that you found it interesting that you have a better chance of walking away from a nasty grinder if your vehicle is larger and weighs about 8,000 lbs. (true story)
Ask her what color she likes best in the Dodge truck line.
It worked for me, and after we broke down in the Ford and had to walk 1 mile to the next house at night, she was ready to give the green light for any new vehicle. (That fuel tank switch is a great disabling device!)
Good luck!
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98 qc, 4x4, slt laramie, 3:54 ls diff, 2YG pkg, Kelsey trailer brake control, dodge running boards, diamond plate bed rails, silencer ring in the wife's jewlery box, Raven cab-hi camper shell, psychotty air system, guages next
A few asumptions here but this should get her attention...
First the Gasser 200,000 Miles @ 10MPG= 20,000 gallons @ 1. 40 Per Gallon=$28,000. 00
Now the Mighty Cummins 200,000 Miles @ 18MPG= 11,111 Gallons @ 1. 40=$15,555. 00.
This saves you $12,445. 00 over 200,000 miles. By the way you'll need to by a new gasser now and your old one isn't worth SQUAT!
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01 3500 4X4 ETH/DEE, Loaded Except Leather and a Rear Slider. Spray in Liner, DeeZee Running boards, Yadda Yadda Yadda...
First the Gasser 200,000 Miles @ 10MPG= 20,000 gallons @ 1. 40 Per Gallon=$28,000. 00
Now the Mighty Cummins 200,000 Miles @ 18MPG= 11,111 Gallons @ 1. 40=$15,555. 00.
This saves you $12,445. 00 over 200,000 miles. By the way you'll need to by a new gasser now and your old one isn't worth SQUAT!
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01 3500 4X4 ETH/DEE, Loaded Except Leather and a Rear Slider. Spray in Liner, DeeZee Running boards, Yadda Yadda Yadda...
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