Cummins or Hurricane?

[Darkbloodmon]

around the globe people get by with much smaller engines

I'm reminded of the truck repair channels I watch in the middle east and south west Asia; three wheeled rickshaws with scooter engines (if that) loaded down with Hino truck frames to and fro repair shops.

 

[Darkbloodmon]

squeezing every last available bit of power out of these small displacement engines via super turbo charging just means that the OEMs will reduce the total engine life

assuming it makes it to the end of its expected life, twin turbos are going to be rough on oil if this engine is making 90% peak long before redline. Any issue with the cooling system ("can't I just top it off with the green stuff?") or oil ("Just give me the cheapest oil change") will be realized faster than any warning light can alert you too with the amount of heat it'll be cooking with.

 

[Roger Nolter]

$6.50 is average, CA sucks, I paid $157 for 23 gallons of #2 last week.

$6.49 here in NJ. Took a trip up to NY this week and the same there.

 

[Darkbloodmon]

AAA tow calls took me to a "Stellantis" dealership and while grabbing some "high over head, free snacks" for the road I asked one of the service advisors about the Hurricane. To her knowledge 24' would be the potential roll out M.Y. and the Wagoneer is going to be the first vehicle model with it. They're trying to push as many of the remaining 6.4 V8 inventory out to make way for the Hurricane when it drops.

 

[Regcabguy]

Every place here in OR is .30 cents more for 91 then 87 and yes obviously the more you drive the more fuel you use.

Yeah,but they pump your fuel for you.

 

[Regcabguy]

$6.49 here in NJ. Took a trip up to NY this week and the same there.

Yep. I was in Verona,NJ and it averaged $6.33. The highest I saw was $7.25 at a station. This was a week ago. They do pump your fuel though.

 

[Regcabguy]

Yep. I was in Verona,NJ a week ago and it averaged $6.33. The highest I saw was $7.25 at a station. This was a week ago. They do pump your fuel though.

 

[kthaxton]

I was in the Needles district of Canyonlands National Park Utah over the weekend.....there's a private place just outside the park......$10-something a gallon. Obviously, not a fair comparison since it is always crazy expensive there since it is in the middle of nowhere.

 

[Timd32]

I was in the Needles district of Canyonlands National Park Utah over the weekend.....there's a private place just outside the park......$10-something a gallon. Obviously, not a fair comparison since it is always crazy expensive there since it is in the middle of nowhere.

Saw something where they had to reprogram pumps for +$10 on the +100 octane race fuel pumps.

 

[R.Taylor]

$6.89 now... I'm gonna buy some walking shoes.

 

[Ozymandias]

5.15 to 5.35 in Kentucky.

 

[slowmover]

Area under the curve is the easier way, IMO, to understand “engine power”. TQ that arrives early, but stays late (line more horizontal than vertical) and HP which peaks relatively early, but exhibits 70% or more of that peak across a wide band is a classic truck engine.

The only replacement for displacement is higher rpm. Until supercharging.

Supercharging plus a seemingly un-ending number of transmission gears doesn’t face much of a battle for high output at any road speed.

The big change in Class 8 from Manual Trans to “Auto” (computer-control of the same trans), was in adding two gears to take them from a 10 to a 12.

With that 12 the computer has the ability to select the “right” gear. Unlike the 10 where it’d choose the lowest loading (and be a momentum-killer).

A supercharged 6 looks great on paper. And it’ll have the gear choices needed to suit softball daddy perceptions of what’s good and right and true.

But I predict it won’t be a motor gets you home when you’re far away. This is a feeling and not what a spec sheet says kind of thing.

Trust between man & machine got broke. It’s completely the child of warped politics, not reason & technology.

I’m not going to ask or try to persuade anyone to agree with me.

As I’ve experienced things, the advent of high-compression engines (circa 1960) until about the present has been reliable, predictable performance. Through some ups and downs the next thirty years, and in these last thirty years where tech kept things ahead of the cost curve (power, but better fuel burn).

TD peaked in efficiency vs power nearly twenty years ago for light-duty. Has had a hard time holding on past that. Gasoline kept on a ways in “improving”.

The trap was set by safety standards for cars (weight-gain) to where todays lightweight, off-road optimized vehicle (Jeep) weighs as much as an Imperial from the late 1960s (driver + fuel; 5k).

That trap now sprung. Emissions plus fuel economy regulations can’t get past the interpretation of “safety” regulations. (Substitution with lighter materials in construction has a fast end).

Diesel — for the average guy — quit being a bargain circa 2007 when fuel prices flipped (diesel became more expensive than gas). I look at this new motor as harbinger of the end of affordable liquid fuel motors.

1). Government remote kill-switch for all new vehicles by 2026 (in committee);
2). Increased pressure to ban liquid or gaseous-fuel motors from cities, then from metro areas (where 85% of Americans live);
3). And I’ll predict that the fuel distribution network begins to contract (which doesn’t take much brain power to infer).

Moved away from the big city, didja? And depend wholly on liquid fuel to make up the difference in access to goods & services? (Every adult required to have a car versus being at most a one-car family prior to big city ethnic cleansing).

That’s what this motor sez to me. End of the road.
Scale the concept higher or lower for vehicle type. Still the same thing.

A). Dry up the aftermarket for “obsolete vehicles” (buy them off by printing up some more free money to do it);
B). Increased $$ incentives to destroy old ones (buh-bye wrecking yard; buy out big recyclers as above);
C). Clamp down even harder in retaining proprietary software (and it’s game, set, match).

Next stop:

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[bcbender]

Just decided to finally fill my aux tank due to the summer fuel prices climbing and my favorite station usually changes prices on Thursdays... was $5.39 when I pulled up to the pump and when I hung the nozzle back up it was $5.69. I put 75gal in and now have near 100 total so good for a while, but luckily since I started pumping prior to the price change and I was smart enough to give the attendant my CC (I knew it would have to be run multiple times) I was grandfathered in at the lower price. Now since yesterday, the price in my area of MC (I40/I85) has jumped 40 cents on average.

Gonna get real interesting soon if this keeps up, I may order the locking cap from Genos!

 

[Ozymandias]

You can't siphon fuel on our trucks, they have a trap in the filler that prevents a hose being pushed down.

Nowadays they drill holes into the tanks bottom and collect what they need, way worse.

 

[Tuesdak]

You can't siphon fuel on our trucks, they have a trap in the filler that prevents a hose being pushed down.

They always can drill/punch holes into the tanks bottom and collect what they need, way worse.

Fixed it for ya as this is nothing new. The older metal tanks could be punched through.

 

[Ozymandias]

Sadly it's the way they do it. Very famous in Europe done on parked Semis over the weekend. They take what they can carry away, the rest drains onto the ground an the owner of the vehicle pays for the environmental damage.

 

[AEdelheit]

You can't siphon fuel on our trucks, they have a trap in the filler that prevents a hose being pushed down.

Nowadays they drill holes into the tanks bottom and collect what they need, way worse.

Oh Ive done it, you can work the hose past it pretty easily.

 

[Ozymandias]

Really? I speak about the one down at the fuel tank, not the flap that the newer ones have just on top of the filler.
I ask because i tried it too once when I had to empty the tank but to no avail, that hose did refuse to go down into the tank.

 

[bcbender]

I don't recall any flapper on either the 04 or the 05 I did fuel pumps on both and dropped tanks on both and didn't see anything at that time that I remember.

 

[lpennock]

I did look at the filler connection on the tank I pulled out of my 18 and there is a anti rollover flapper valve but I see no reason it would block a siphon hose as I was able to put my finger pass it. I don't know if there are other valves in the flller piping/hoses though.