Cummins to rev up Columbus, IN (HQ) plant

[AKaiser]

This should be the SUV/Ram 1500 engine, from what I "hear. " Not confirmed, but I have "believable" sources. We shall see. Indianapolis Star: Cummins to rev up auto site, 600 jobs

 

[JHerr]

Diesel Progress Magazine confirms the Indianapolis Star's article. Cummins announced that the contract is with Daimler-Chrysler, the diesels will be for light-duty vehicles and the engines will be built in Columbus, IN.



Read the article:



http://www.dieselpub.com/dp/index.asp

 

[gitchesum]

Also confirmed by Cummins.

http://dodgetruckworld.tenmagazines...angId=1033&dataId=1118&newsInfo=true&menuId=4





SWEET!!! The durango just got to the front of the line in my next car purchase.

 

[AKaiser]

Two Words: Imperial + Cummins



Anyone care to speculate on the engine design? I heard some rumblings a while back when it was just a rumor that it would be a V-6. I'm betting in the 4. 0 - 4. 5L range. At any rate, with Cummins producing it, it's sure to be a "Torque Beast. "

 

[SNiebaum]

Anyone care to speculate on the engine design? I heard some rumblings a while back when it was just a rumor that it would be a V-6. I'm betting in the 4. 0 - 4. 5L range. At any rate, with Cummins producing it, it's sure to be a "Torque Beast. "

Why speculate?? Cummins Light Duty Diesel Report

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Thanks for the link! 44-49% improvement in fuel economy = NICE!

If you read between the lines - these engines will have glow plugs... bummer. Oh well - you can't have everything.



Here's the specs (after vBulletin hacks it to bits... ):

Configuration: 90° V



Displacement: 4. 2 L V6 (254hp/270hp and 420ft-lbs) 5. 6 L V8 (300hp and 460ft-lbs)



Bore and Stroke: 94 X 100 mm



Valvetrain and Drive: Single overhead cam, chain-driven Valve System Four valves per cylinder with hydraulic lash adjustment



Fuel System: High-pressure common rail (HPCR) (with Piezo-electric injectors... )



Control System: Full electronic Emissions Control Modulated-cooled EGR plus 4-Way Catalyst (Tier 2, Bin 5)



Aspiration: Variable-Nozzle or Wastegated turbocharged



Intercooling: Vehicle mounted air-to-air



Block: Cast iron, thin-walled Head High temperature alloy aluminum (the pistons have a pretty neat looking chamber... )



NVH Control: Ladderframe



Accessories: Common automotive V-8 gasoline



Accessory Drive: Single serpentine belt, self-adjusted

 

[AKaiser]

That's what I'm talkin' about. I figured it would be a V6 and V8 on common architecture, which poses design problems (optimum V angle). Not the way I'd go in a perfect world, but OBVIOUSLY this ain't one. You could put that V6 in the 300C, I'm betting. That would rock. :-laf

 

[HoleshotHolset]

You could put that V6 in the 300C, I'm betting.

"They" already put a Mercedes common-rail diesel in that car...

http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews/car-and-driving/chrysler-300c-crd-1004710.html



Matt

 

[Alphacowboy]

"They" already put a Mercedes common-rail diesel in that car...

http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews/car-and-driving/chrysler-300c-crd-1004710.html



Matt

true, but that engine will never make it state side due to emissions. what are the chances that they will use this Cummins engine here state side? Would make sense if you ask me.

 

[HoleshotHolset]

The Cummins engines are too big/heavy for use in even a full-size car. A variant of the MB diesel in use in that 300C will be stateside in early '07 in the Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD.



With the availability of ULSD, we'll be seeing a LOT more diesels in the light-duty market before long.



I'll be like a kid in a candy store 24/7/365.



Matt

 

[AKaiser]

The Cummins engines are too big/heavy for use in even a full-size car. A variant of the MB diesel in use in that 300C will be stateside in early '07 in the Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD.



With the availability of ULSD, we'll be seeing a LOT more diesels in the light-duty market before long.



I'll be like a kid in a candy store 24/7/365.



Matt

Are you sure? We have yet to see the weight of these engines, AFAIK. Having said that, you're probably correct, especially in that the MB engine is only 3. 2L, and more than sufficient to move a 300C or it's German cousin the E320. I'd buy that (300C 3. 2L TD), as the Europeans certainly are, from what I've read. The Brits (and Germans even) love them because they are a whole lot of car/fun for not nearly what an MB or similar would cost.

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Why speculate?? Cummins Light Duty Diesel Report

"They" pulled that page - but I saved a copy of that .pdf file. :-laf



Here's the info on weight - the V6/V8 gassers seem a bit heavy...

(I moved the chart's legend to the bottom to make the graphic TDR friendly. )



Matt

 

[nps]

I'm glad I talked the wife into the inline 6 E320 before the V6 comes out in the 07 model. This thing hauls butt and gets great milage as well. And the diesel was only about a $200 upcharge from the gas E320. Hope DC learns how to price the Dodge diesel lineup from their German cousins.

 

[HoleshotHolset]

... inline 6 E320... This thing hauls butt and gets great milage as well.

What are you seeing for numbers? 30mpg?



Thanks,



Matt

 

[GHarman]

Why speculate?? Cummins Light Duty Diesel Report[/URL]

Read it, Sounds promising, not perfect, but promising. GregH

 

[JHerr]

Holeshot, my father has seen as high as 34 mpg in his '05 E320 CDI.



The economy is great but when you need to get on it... it goes like stink on a monkey!

 

[nps]

What are you seeing for numbers? 30mpg?



Thanks,



Matt

It still has under 1000 miles on it - my wife doesn't drive much. Her last car, an 05 Lexus RX330, was traded in with less than 6000 miles after 18 months.



But the calc in the car says 24 - all in town driving.



Hand calculated numbers published in 3rd party reviews on the 05 320CDI have shown an average of 40-44mpg on the highway at 65-70mph without being soft on the go pedal. They were driving in the Texas hill country IIRC.

 

[HoleshotHolset]

JHerr/NPS: Thanks for your input.

40-44mpg for an '05 CDI is SWEET - that's a lot better than I figured they'd achieve.



I've heard that the '96+ E300's get around 35mpg and the '98+ E300 turbo diesels were about the same. That's the closest thing in terms of aerodynamics, weight, displacement and # of cylinders to the newer I6 CDI's...



I know I've said this a lot on the TDR and in talking with people face-to-face... but I would definitely consider buying a MB with a diesel. I came close (not close enough... ?) to buying a low mileage '98 E300 TD back around July of this year. I should have jumped on it, but the parts availability and general lack of info for MB's scares me a bit.



The durability of the engines (when BOMBed - I modify everything... ) is also up in the air. Sure, there are guys (especially the guys in Finland... ) that are making ~400hp with these... but I can't pry even basic info out of them to figure out what they had to do to beef them up (if anything... ) and what the typical trouble areas are. All of these things are a given and very well proven with the 1. 9L VW TDI's (and earlier mechanical 1. 6L engines... ) - hence my lack of hesitation and ultimate decision to go with a VW for a daily driver... again.



Back on topic: Anyone see how Diesel Power Magazine pretty much printed portions of the Cummins/DOE .pdf (that SNiebaum originally posted the link to... ) verbatim in their rag?



Matt