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This explains in great detail why we are going through balljoints like water, but when I replaced all four of mine, the bottoms were tight and only the uppers had play at 55k. Also check this out, cheap oe replacement bj's. Not the heavy duty greasbles but cheap though.



eBay Motors: 03-08 Dodge Ram 2500 3500 AAM 9. 25 Ball Joint Kit (item 280179254342 end time Jan-28-08 16:54:40 PST)







Dan the Gear Man Tech Note:

Worn Out Ball Joints on 2003-up Dodge Ram 2500 and 3500 Trucks.



Premature Ball Joint failures on 2003-up Ram Trucks is a reoccurring problem that will probably plague these trucks for their entire life due to the size of the Ball Joints and the steering geometry of the AAM 9. 25" axle.



The Upper and Lower Ball Joints on these axles are at different angles, in other words the vertical axis of the Upper and Lower Ball Joints are neither inline or parallel to each other. To compensate for the different arc of each Ball Joint during turns, the modest sized, straight shank, 7/8" diameter stud of the Upper Ball Joint is vertically free-floating in a 1" long sleeve. Consequently, the Upper Ball Joint does not support any weight, it merely keeps the knuckle in place. In fact the upper Ball Joint is not really a Ball Joint at all, instead it is a floating King Pin that is about the same diameter as the King Pins found on 1966-1981 Ford F100 4x2 1/2 ton trucks and light 3/4 ton trucks with GVW's of 4,700 lbs-6,900 lbs. .



The Lower Ball Joint is load bearing, in fact, the two Lower Ball Joints carry 100% of the front axle weight on your 2003 or newer Dodge Ram truck. Dimensionally, the outside diameter of the Lower Ball Joint is only 4% larger than the Ball Joints used on 1972-1986 Jeep CJ's (and other light-duty models of that era) which has somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of the front axle weight of the Dodge Ram, plus both the Upper and Lower Ball Joints on the CJ are load bearing. In addition, the Ball Joints used on older models like the Jeep CJ and 1994-1999 Dodge Ram 2500 and 3500* shared the same vertical centerline axis and were pre-loaded to compensate for wear. With the AAM front axle steering geometry using differing Ball Joint angles, no preload is possible, therefore, any wear means loose Ball Joints.



Yes, lack of lubrication with the factory AAM Ball Joints can be a factor, however very few of the failed Ball Joints we cut apart are suffering from a lack of lubrication. Replacement Ball Joints in both greaseable and non-greaseable versions are available from quad4x4.com, plus there is even an offset upper Ball Joint out there (which in my experience is both short-lived and of limited use). Installing Greaseable Ball Joints and regularly greasing them may provide longer service life, but with the AAM axle, chances are you will need to replace the Ball Joints on your 2003-up Ram 2500 or Ram 3500 4x4 truck every two to three years. One would not mind the short Ball Joint life so much if these trucks steered better than previous models, were not subject to "Death Wobble", or had longer tire life.



*1994-1999 Dodge Ram trucks with the Dana 60 Front Axle have Lower Ball Joints that are nearly 10% larger than the AAM axle. Average Ball Joint life for 1994-1999 trucks is close to 150,000 miles or 7 to 10 years. All 4 Ball Joints for those years carry weight and are pre-loaded to compensate for wear and dampen steering shocks.







Cutaway of AAM Upper Ball Joint** from 2005 Dodge Ram 3500 4x4



Plastic Thrust Washer

Ball Joint stud has approx. 5/16" of vertical free play to compensate for movement of Knuckle during turns

Thin Ferrous Metal Bushing with bronze inner lining. Bushing is subject wear from impact loads occurring under "normal" driving conditions.

Vertically free-floating, 7/8" Diameter straight shank stud does not support any vehicle weight. Design does not have any way to compensate for wear Ball Joints should be replaced anytime there is side-to-side or back and forth play (Vertical only movement is normal)

** Upper Ball Joint is really a floating King Pin





Cutaway of AAM Lower Ball Joint

from 2005 Dodge Ram 3500 4x4

Ball is surrounded by a thin plastic bushing. There is no preload on ball to dampen "Death Wobble" or to compensate for normal wear. The Ball Joint shown here was from a 1 year old truck with only 5,400 miles on it. The lower Ball Joint was full of grease, but already slightly loose.



Lower Ball Joints carry all the front end weight of these vehicles.



Outside diameter of Ball Joint Case is only 4% larger than that used by older and lighter 4x4's such as the Jeep CJ and Ford Bronco. All 4 ball Joints on those older vehicles were weight carrying.
 
great info! just about to get into figuring out why truck handles fine loaded heavy, sloppy & loose when empty around town.
 
Let's see if I can get this to work...

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Cutaway of AAM Upper Ball Joint** from 2005 Dodge Ram 3500 4x4



A. Plastic Thrust Washer

B. Ball Joint stud has approx. 5/16" of vertical free play to compensate for

movement of Knuckle during turns

C. Thin Ferrous Metal Bushing with bronze inner lining. Bushing is subject

wear from impact loads occurring under "normal" driving conditions.

D. Vertically free-floating, 7/8" Diameter straight shank stud does not

support any vehicle weight. Design does not have any way to

compensate for wear Ball Joints should be replaced anytime there is

side-to-side or back and forth play (Vertical only movement is normal)

** Upper Ball Joint is really a floating King Pin



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Cutaway of AAM Lower Ball Joint from 2005 Dodge Ram 3500 4x4



Ball is surrounded by a thin plastic bushing. There is no preload on ball to dampen "Death Wobble" or to compensate for normal wear. The Ball Joint shown here was from a 1 year old truck with only 5,400 miles on it. The lower Ball Joint was full of grease, but already slightly loose.



Lower Ball Joints carry all the front end weight of these vehicles.



Outside diameter of Ball Joint Case is only 4% larger than that used by older and lighter 4x4's such as the Jeep CJ and Ford Bronco. All 4 ball Joints on those older vehicles were weight carrying.
 
3rd gen. handling

Thanks for the info. I must say however,after owning a 2nd. gen for seven years and spending a small fortune trying to make it steer accurately,that the 3rd. gens,bad bj's and all are a quantum leap over the handling of the 2nd's.
 
Thanks for the info. I must say however,after owning a 2nd. gen for seven years and spending a small fortune trying to make it steer accurately,that the 3rd. gens,bad bj's and all are a quantum leap over the handling of the 2nd's.



Can I get an AMEN?:-laf
 
Ya know, I have a 2nd gen... with a 3rd gen front axle. It does steer much better than the 2nd gen. The 3rd gen axle has a greater turning radius than the 2nd gen as well. Compaired to the D60, I can turn around almost in a perfect circle.



With just over 12k miles on the axle since I put it on (~40k including the original mileage on the axle) It seems pretty tight. But, I think one of the ball joints is shot, but that could be from the fact that this axle was on a rolled truck and landed pretty good on the passanger side.
 
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Cutaway of AAM Upper Ball Joint** from 2005 Dodge Ram 3500 4x4



A. Plastic Thrust Washer

B. Ball Joint stud has approx. 5/16" of vertical free play to compensate for

movement of Knuckle during turns

C. Thin Ferrous Metal Bushing with bronze inner lining. Bushing is subject

wear from impact loads occurring under "normal" driving conditions.

D. Vertically free-floating, 7/8" Diameter straight shank stud does not

support any vehicle weight. Design does not have any way to

compensate for wear Ball Joints should be replaced anytime there is

side-to-side or back and forth play (Vertical only movement is normal)

** Upper Ball Joint is really a floating King Pin



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Cutaway of AAM Lower Ball Joint from 2005 Dodge Ram 3500 4x4



Ball is surrounded by a thin plastic bushing. There is no preload on ball to dampen "Death Wobble" or to compensate for normal wear. The Ball Joint shown here was from a 1 year old truck with only 5,400 miles on it. The lower Ball Joint was full of grease, but already slightly loose.



Lower Ball Joints carry all the front end weight of these vehicles.



Outside diameter of Ball Joint Case is only 4% larger than that used by older and lighter 4x4's such as the Jeep CJ and Ford Bronco. All 4 ball Joints on those older vehicles were weight carrying.



Thats a little spooky. Is there a replacement that is greaseable. I'm thinking of changing over to the dyatrack manuel hubs and will change the ball joints at the same time.
 
Is there a cutaway of the aftermarket joints, so we can compare?



I'll second CFish - that is an excellent question, BTS.

[What happened to the dancing banana? I liked him much better than the Dodge. I demand you bring back the banana!!]



DP - looks to me like the upper could be drilled for a zerk, but not the lower (ball is in the way).



Interestingly, it looks like maybe (just maybe) my pumping grease into the boots might actually do something useful! If a little pressure could be maintained, I think some of the oil would ooze up into the bushing. Maybe.



My factory joints are still good at 75k miles. I've got Moog adjustables on deck.



Ryan
 
Interestingly, it looks like maybe (just maybe) my pumping grease into the boots might actually do something useful! If a little pressure could be maintained, I think some of the oil would ooze up into the bushing. Maybe.



My factory joints are still good at 75k miles. I've got Moog adjustables on deck.



Ryan



If you did go with the oem replacements that are not greasable like I did, I pulled the boots off and tried to get as much grease as I could in there before installing them. FYI, the bottom bj comes with the boot uninstalled.



Also I pumped my originals with grease like you did and when I removed them they had plenty of grease in them like quad stated in the article. I did not cut them apart at all like they did, so I am just speculating on the issue. I agree with quad that the bj's do not fail due to lack of grease but what I do not understand is the whole part about the lower bj failing first since it is completely load bearing. Both of my uppers were worn out first but I replaced all four since I was in there. FYI, the bottoms were a complete PIA to get out.
 
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