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Well now that this forum puts up for the whole world to see your last name, city, and state, it won't be too hard for the DC police to check out signatures and see who's warranty needs voiding next... . :eek:



be careful out there:cool:
 
It's just like driving a "Bombed" one, you take your chances and live with the consequences if it gets towed in. We all made our own bed were sleeping in.
 
Soon everyones Signature will be the same.







My truck is "ALL STOCK" and I don't pull heavy loads or drive faster then 55 MPH. :p
 
DC speak... CTD= Can't Touch 'Dis or your warranty is toast :mad:

I wuz wondering the same thing.

At least with the "handles" DC had to try to figure out who was who.
 
What I think it'll take to straighten them out is a class action lawsuit.



Over in f-body land, it seems that most GM dealers will refuse to work on any car that has been modified in any way. I was told by the dealer I normally use that they won't work on my car anymore because of my supercharger. This is flat out ILLEGAL, since we all know that the Magnussen-Moss Warranty Act says that a dealer MUST prove that a modification is DIRECTLY responsible for a covered part's failure, and then and ONLY then can they void the warranty on that particular PART.



Since GM (and in our case, DC) dealers are giving us crap, I think that once enough of us get pi$$ed off, given our member base, we have a chance of actually making a class-action suit work.



Rob
 
For all of your information: The only way GM, Dodge, Ford or any other driveable and warrantable car or truck manufacturer can legally refuse to do warranty work is if your modification hinders repair or is related to the cause of failure. I was on the other side of the fence once in a full line GM dealership, and everyone's warranties are written the same way.
 
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Crazy Horse- So what do you do when the dealer gets a hair up his bu** and arbitrarily cancels your warranty and refuses to work on your truck?? This gets entered into the database, and going to another dealer won't work. :mad:



That Magnuson-Moss act may be all well and good in theory, but not in fact when you are guilty first and have to prove innocence. DC has deep pockets, and I can't afford $50K of lawyers fees to fight for a $40K truck warranty.



So I keep my BOMB mods stealth or remove them before visiting the DC Gestapo, and make THEM fix all the poorly engineered mistakes. :p
 
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I would like to say for the record that i dont even drive my truck becuase I'm too scared something will break much less add some kinds of mods to it. I crank it every three days and bring it up to operating temp on a dyno then shut it down after a 20 minute cool down. I keep it inside the house also. I have never even opened the hood! i almost opened the tailgate once but chickened out
 
roadranger- You then go to your local zone rep. That info is in your warranty information pack with your owners manual. What I said up above is fact. They cannot refuse you any repairs under warranty that your modifications had nothing to do with. When you go to the zone you become what is called an"ORC". That is an owner relations case and they don't like getting them. Don't worry about the lawyers fees, if you are right and your modification had nothing to do with the warrantable problem your dealership will be buying your lawyer. It won't go that far anyway.
 
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How do they know, this ain't just something like old fishing stories. By the time one sits down and begins typing, their truck may have all sorts of increase in HP and Torque??;) My truck is just stock anyway. . :) and I am happy with it.
 
Ok... here is my opinion. If you wait on the M-M act, you could be without your Ram for a long time, although, eventually, it may be fixed for free.



I have never had a pleasant "warranty" experience. They all stink.



I also think it is kinda cheesy to remove all your BOMBs, knowing that they caused the problem, and expecting DC to warranty your problem. (extra HP=slipping clutch).



My BOMBs may cost me a whole lot of money in the future, but for now, I love driving this Cummins.



My dealer readily replaced my oil pressure sending unit. Nothing to do with my BOMBs... I did not remove a thing.
 
See the last line in my signature... ... ..... No ifs and or buts, if I break it I will fix it. But if the speaker on my stock sound system blows, DC can fix that.
 
If DC has the time to read the TDR, they can try and void my warranty. They have to prove i really have all these mods. And that its really me on the TDR.
 
Originally posted by Rob Hanson

My dealer readily replaced my oil pressure sending unit. Nothing to do with my BOMBs... I did not remove a thing.



..... however, this very same dealer has repeatedly violated the Magnuson/Moss Act by denying warranty coverage WITHOUT determining (i. e. , PROVING) the cause of failure. This is a matter of documented facts compiled by Chuck Arnold of The PowerShop, per his open letter to Juergen Schrempp (Chairman & CEO of DaimlerChrysler) in the March 2001 issue of Western RV News (Nuts and Bolts column, page 17).



Warranty coverage was denied to PowerShop customers experiencing a multitude of problems, not limited to faulty lift pumps on numerous 24v equipped Rams (which was most prevalent). To add insult to injury, this dealer also charged back diagnostic labor to The PowerShop on one warranty denial in the amount of $1304. 36!!!! BTW, this amount did NOT include fixing the problem... just exploratory diagnostic labor and then warranty denial!!!! If that had been my truck I'd have been livid!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:



Anyway, just a heads up to all you BOMBers possibly seeking warranty work in the future.



Myself, like Rob, wouldn't remove jack sh*t before going into have a possible warranty problem diagnosed. I have accepted responsibility for my BOMBing actions. I have taken all possible precautions, upgrading ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that may be considered a weak point or system in hopes that I have a rig built for the long haul. In addition, I don't believe that I have added too much power for the balance of the system to be anything less than extremely reliable. Coupled with my driving style, I'm reasonably certain the choice in my performance upgrades will be proven in the future to have been the correct path. . for me.



..... that is one of the reasons I decided to go with the DD TTPM instead of one of the fueling boxes that taps into the injection pump wire... VP44 longevity.
 
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John... I agree with everything you said ... except... . the part about pinching wires with a major fueling box. (Now, mine will go out!). But, I believe it was the same man, Chuck, who told me his data did not prove percentage wise that the fueling boxes were any harder on the pump than nothing at all.

MikeR and I have had no troubles with our VP44s... yet Evan had one go out on his 98. 5, and all he had hooked up was a boost module!



Boxes that pinch the wires may speed up the process a bit(?), but lots have failed also without any mods.



I can't remember the percentages now, but it was something like 4 percent failure without a box, and about 4 percent failure with a box.
 
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Rob, I wasn't referring to an immediate failure of the VP44 so much as overall reduced life expectancy with the "wire pricker" style boxes.
 
Not trying to start an argument here, but the fueling boxes do take the VP44 out of spec by having it do something it is not designed to do--which is holding a solenoid closed for an extra amount of time. By doing this, it adds more fuel per injection stroke. It is very interesting to watch what the boxes do by using an oscilloscope. Then you can actually see how, and when, it adds the fuel.



The other boxes on the market, such as the PE-EZ and the TTPM, add fuel via the ECM. They work by just increasing the fuel quantity per injection stroke, and not actually adding another pulse of fuel after the intial injection stroke. By doing this, they keep everything within the limits of the VP44, and don't cause any additional strain on the internal parts of the pump.



Te injection pump on my '98. 5 went out due to the fact it was one of the ones thatmissed the de-burring process at the Bosch plant. Fuel pressure was good, no boxes were installed--it just crapped out because ofpremature internal wear, something I had no control over. It was covered under warranty at 60K.



Rob, the fact that you and Mike's pumps have withstood the effects of the boxes, simply proves that some pumps are stronger than others. Look at how well John's has done. He had negative fuel pressure for who knows how long... If you look at the pumps that have gone bad, you will find that most have been on '98. 5-'99 trucks. Rarely do they go out on the newer trucks, even when fueling boxes are attached. Fuel pressure is the root of the problem for most VP44 failures, as the pump uses diesel fuel for lubrication and cooling. It is very important that anytone with a fueling box--or planning on buying one--get their fuel pressure tested prior to installing it. Otherwise, it could cost them an injection pump.



If it were true the boxes did not cause any additional strain on the VP44, why have so many failed less than 30 minutes after installing a box? I would consider this: They use so much fuel, it drops the supply pressure, and there isn't adequate fuel for lubrication and cooling. I would call that addition strain, wouldn't you? Compare it to running an engine with little or no coolant flow. If you have a bad water pump, what happens? Your engine gets hot, and will ultimately fail if kept running in that condition. Same thing with a VP44, except you don't know until it is too late--hence the reason for fuel pressure testing.



Bottom line is be smart when you BOMB a truck, and do the necessary things to ensure what you add on won't cause problems. :D
 
Ok... I think you have some good points, Evan. But, even though it takes the pump out of specs, it isn't necessarily going to take it for a dirtnap. The weak fuel pressure could certainly be a factor.



We really don't know why any of these pumps go out... nobody in the US is authorized by Bosch to make this judgement. At least that is the last I read. As far as your 98. 5, I never did hear the reason it went out other than supposition due to it being a 98. 5. I certainly agree with you that it was probably the lack of deburring, but did we examine it? Did Bosch examine it and report back? If so, I would be very excited to read that report!



As far as making any component on the Cummins do something it was not designed to do... we do that all of the time with many components on a Cummins. Bad for it? Sometimes, but we play and take our chances.



I have also not read about any long term effects on the Cummins or VP44 due to a fueling box. Heck, they are just too new to know the long term effects.



I will say that HVAC seems to still be going strong and his truck has about everything imaginable on it. How long has he been running these pricking fuel boxes? Since Christ was a corporal!



I am not saying you are wrong... I am saying we really don't know, and what you say is merely supposition. We all have opinions... if you have facts, post them. I am never too old to learn(hopefully!).
 
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