DC read this!

[David Oxland]

After hearing the stories of my cousin's Ford Duallie You would have to be a very brave person to by a Ford with any kind of engine in it.

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Dodge minus Cummins... . huh? Hopefully it never happens but if it did... ... . guess there would be a hemi in the driveway. OH . . by the way , at the Crawford county fair this summer I watched a 03 hemi 4 door p. u. pull in the stock class and whooped up on a 496 Chevy. WOW a 5. 7 outpulling the BIG Chevy. NAH... I'll stick with a DODGE.



Oo.

 

[diesel DOG]

Mine was made in St. Louis otherwise I would have passed on it for sure JMO

 

[Rams-n-Hogs]

I have the last truck I ever plan on buying, barring any unforeseen catastrophes. Then I will try and find another 12V. I like computers, but I don't think one belongs in my truck.



Jim

 

[Wiredawg]

If we could buy a new 12V??

Jim:



I think the slidrule boys said the same thing about computers. If we could buy a new 12V, I would and I would go on and wish for a '70 Dodge Daytona 440 to boot. d;->



My deal is this: If it's Dodge and its Cummins, then it's a winner, no matter wut year. They all bad!



IMHO: The worst year Dodge/Cummins had is still heads and shoulders above the competition.



Now, am I eaten up or wut?



Wiredawg, Woof!

 

[Rams-n-Hogs]

OK, Ron



I'll agree with you on all counts. And one day the wallet might open, if I can put away my slide rule. I will say, if it resembles a truck and doesn't have a Cummins in it, I don't want it.



Jim

 

[Tomeygun]

Originally posted by diesel DOG

Mine was made in St. Louis otherwise I would have passed on it for sure JMO

not to stir a pot, but the errors per truck are much lower in the mexican plants and paint is 10 times better...



I work in a union shop, but darn-it, its a 38K truck, i expect the best paint, not just "ok- it passed" paint



ya know?

 

[Briman]

I used to say that I bought the engine (Cummins) and took what ever Dodge rapped around it. After the poor quality of the '03 that will no longer be true. This is my seventh Cummins powered Dodge and it and the '96 are hands down the worst quality of them all. Maybe an FL60 can be fitted with a pickup bed.

 

[JKibby]

Originally posted by Steve M

It's "in vogue" to bash American products as inferior when the truth is we're only . 3 problems per vehicle behind Toyota.

Well I've owned three Toyotas and still have two. I've aways wanted to buy American but in my experience since the late 70's/early80's they have not been close in build quality. !st Toyota 249,000 miles NO problems 2nd Toyota 215,000 miles NO problems (currently own) 3rd Toyota 25,000 miles NO problems (currently own. ) I bought this Dodge for one reason CUMMINS! I love the engine but the rest is junk. I've had four problems, one of which is still not resolved, 20 days in shop since purchase on Mar. 27th 03. Customer service (if you can call it that) is just as bad, I'm on my fourth dealer. Let me end on a positive note (I don't want to "bash" all American products, just the junk) I have two great Toyotas and one great CUMMINS engine!

 

[Steve M]

Who's talking about 30 yrs ago? I have a 2003 Dodge P'up and a 2001 Dodge Durango. Both are trouble free. But since you bring up the past. In the mid '80s a co-worker had a Ford Pinto with over 240k miles on it. Not a lick of trouble. I had a 1975 Dodge B300 Maxivan with 144k miles on it when traded it for an '84 Isuzu P'up. The Dodge van was trouble free but the Isuzu diesel got 38mpg. I just sold my '93 Mustang with 114k trouble free miles on it. I put '89k miles on my '98 Dodge/Cummins 12v when traded it on a long bed 2500 Dodge/Cummins for towing our 5th wheel. An a/c evaporator was all it needed.

In '89, with the good service I experienced with the Isuzu, I bought my wife a Toyota Tercel. It's what she wanted. The '89 Tercel had a CV carburetor. It was trouble from new to 7k miles when I lemon lawed it. The '90 Tercel had common rail fuel injection. The car and the dealership caused me such headaches I have no desire to be "in vogue" with a Japanese car again. My dad's Honda Accord doesn't run right unless he locks out O/D in town. The dealer says it's normal. They all do it. Then they're all defective. We don't have to lock out O/D with my truck or Durango so it'll run right. No missing or surging with our inferior vehicles.

 

[rashwor]

I tell everyone...

I bought the Cummins, and it came with this dodge truck attached! Works for me. I do know... I don't want the Ford or GM diesel... nothing but problems... Mercedes, well the jury is out until it happens and we have a bunch on the road in this application. I won't be first in line for one for fear it would be a 6. 0 flashback!:--)

 

[ttreibel]

Around here Dodge is selling a bunch of there 1/2 ton gassers. If the trucks were only good with the Cummins I don't think I would see more Gassers than Cummins. I am not sure of the 1/2 ton numbers but Dodge must be doing something right with the truck, this used to be Ford Country now it seems to becoming Dodge country.



The fit and finish of my 03 seems to be flawless at this point I have the alternator bracket getting replaced and the Cruise Control Flash but neither of those things seem to be broken at this point.



As far as Toyota's being great! There Dealers Stink robbing my "brainwashed" 83 year old father out of thousands, and his 96 Camry sounds worse than the $1700. 00 1995 Saturn SL I bought for my son. My nephews Toyota pick-up's interior is literally falling apart reminds me of a 1980's Chevy the engine still turns. Half the time I think Toyota owners are just in disbelief in what a POS they own.



BTW I am my own warranty station and my hands just don't fit in a Japanese car.

 

[dpatt67]

Toyota's? I have yet to see one be what they claim it to be. I got in a discussion with a guy a couple of years ago who had a Camry. He said that the only things that had gone out on it were the transmission and the computer and if it had been an American car, it would have been far worse. It had a huge 40,000 miles on it. According to Toyota owners, this isn't supposed to happen til 800,00 miles. Whatever. Give me the Dodge.

 

[tae73]

My thoughts are not buy a truck that was made on a Monday or a Friday. Monday are always a bad hang-over day. And Friday all u think about is all the beer that u are going to drink over the weekend. Thats my 2 cents worth... .

 

[Peter Campbell]

In the words of Japans prime minister a few years ago during the time of trade talks. The americans lack the knowledge and work ethic to compete with the japanese- not an exact quote. I have a quote for him- I lack the knowledge and work ethic to buy any Japanese nameplate product. I will instead choose to spend my money elsewhere. Not that I will not buy japanese products. But they need to hide thier origin a little bit , IE( Bridgestone/ firestone).

Honda, Nisssan AKA Datsun) , toyota all go on about the superior quality. I remember when Honda first made cars. They were the Biggest POS on the road, reliability manufacturing defects- there were problems. They also go high milage for the time. They would have been out of business if they did not do quality control- They exceeded the quality of everything else out there within a few years. They had a bad reputation to overcome. But then everyone else caught up eventually. Even GM got on the bandwagon. They would close plants with high defect rates (and militant union shops that would not allow the problem to be fixed) So honda upped the ante and squeezed the top of thier "H" to make a whole new brand of car. So when people mention the "Inherent japanese quality" please remind them of the Datsun B-210's that could not survive one year without rust perforation. Fortunately for the japanese none of those symbols survive- they were totally unrepairable within 5 years

 

[CATCRACKER]

mine was built on a mon. no kidding

 

[WadePatton]

Without getting long-winded about it, I started driving in the early 80's. The domestic equivilents to the import cars at that time were junk. Also most of the imports were still being imported. I always preferred a nice German or Japanese car to a Detroit clap-trap.



But now most of the "imports" are made here and while the domestics have gotten better, the build quality of the "imports" has fallen.



Imagine what junk the big three would have us driving without the competition raising the bar.

 

[Northerner]

I am ashamed to admit that I have been Toyota'd twice but never again. No sir never again even if they start to run Cummins. After a failed transmission in a 1980 SR5 Corrola @ a paltry $1300. 00 back then. I moved on to purchase a 1985 Corrosia!! oh did I say rust bucket? To make a long story short I spoke to my wife when we were rid of this less than satisfactory piece of *$#'T and instructed her that if I ever show up in the drivway with another Toyota to sink a pickeroon into my forehead. I havn't looked back scince.



then, then Oo. now.

 

[Briman]

Originally posted by Steve M

Who's talking about 30 yrs ago? I have a 2003 Dodge P'up and a 2001 Dodge Durango. Both are trouble free.

Not to stir anything up... ... but. I can't forget all your posts in the vibration threads... ... trouble free with a little wobble perhaps.

 

[DDDavis]

I would have to agree that I would not own a Dodge if it wasn't for the cummins. I Have one of their gas trucks and it isn't anything with out the CTD. I hope Dodge fights hard to keep it!!!!!