Dealer Rip-off

[CDyksman]

Buffalo, Costco makes their money on membership fees.

 

[cojhl2]

Quite a fiery thread.



Some comments re subjects and dealers that bother me.



1) Markup is no problem,,, IF the parts are on hand! It seems to me it is unfair to charge me the complete markup when some of the markup is to compensate for inventory cost. And don't even try to charge me shipping cost!!! I'll be outta there.

2) Just becasue it is an insurance payed purchase,, why are they soaked more than an individual. Dammit I have to pay insurance too!!

3) For those that are concerned about corporate greed,, who do you think the corporation is? It is your 401K etc.

4) The thing that bothers me most about dealers is in general they have a mechanical staff of people for the most part that have not been to school. I think it is the dealers responsibility to make sure their mechanics are the best educated on the makes sold by that dealer. I hate to pay 60-90 $/hr to the dealer for a non educated mechanic that takes home 10-12 $/hr.



Anyway,, my 02

 

[DSteimle]

First, that wasnt a dig about a huricane and the... AHHHHH whatever man. What was implied was supply and demand. (ECO 101) With the disaster that was down there Im sure people needed A LOT of parts to get them back on the road; and Im guessing there wernt as many parts stores. Thus you were busy at the counter. Deep breaths man!

Second, IF the dealer was HONEST than why when I pull my 2000 truck up to a 1999 truck IDENTICAL in everyway other than I wanted a manuel shift they offered me $12K and wouldnt budge off $26 for theirs? Cause they were giving me "wholesale price" for mine huh? ok so now I know the WHOLESALE has to be CLOSE to mine or even less for theirs and the mark up is $14K?

Fact is thats wrong. ANYWAY you look at it!

ok, deep breaths taken . really guys, there have been several post on here about my attitude. i do not have a bad attitude towards my customers, i take the time (ask questions, look at you vehicle, make phone calls, etc) to ensure you leave with the right part the first time. as i said before, my attitude is reflective of yours. some of you that keep getting smart#ss counter guys may want to look in the mirror. i get to talk with people with similar interest, learn things about my trucks, and help people with thiers. it is a GREAT job( the pay ain't bad either). the reason i exploded on the thread starter was mainly his title---Dealer ******* Rip-off---- i'm not real smart, but i know what word fits all those * (starts with f, ends with g). not what i want to see on my diesel site. i understand venting, but insulting my livelyhood deserved a swift and strong response. if feelings were hurt than so be it.



holy, i've never sold cars but i've seen those types of one sided negotiations before, car salesmen are a different breed. i've have worked with several who make a challenge to see who can rip people the most. there are some very good, fair auto salesman out there but the bad ones ruin the reputation. just know that they pay way more for a part than you do :-laf



ja, yes i know the dealer you speak of. you can usually get to know a parts guy and we'll help you within reason. problem is (as you found out) that it is a one on one deal. when i leave the next guy has no obligation to you. just the nature of the business.



bill, yeah gmafb was killin me :-laf . i understand corporate greed as much as the next guy. and it burns my hind end. i just didnt catch the relation at the time. as said before, deep breaths taken



buffalo, i'm not familiar with costco (apparently dont have them here). i do know that they are making a set profit margin some way or another. to survive at a lower margin, they can reduce overhead, improve purchasing, develope aggresive marketing, etc. my point was when you walk in a retailer and purchase a cd for 13. 99 or more it only cost them 3. 00 to make. large pizza with everything, 12. 99, cost less than 4. 00 to make. truck at 40k, cost the manufacture about 23k to produce. lots of large markups involved with most of the things you buy, but because with something like a wheel were you have shopping options for cheaper products, makes a standard markup seem ridiculous. really, it's just economics 101

 

[TCDiesel]

Here is my take DSteimle,The factory wheel finish on the Aluminum wheel cannot be match be aftermarket companies, so the coating on the aluminum wheel is superior, Now the factory steel chrome finish is no better than the aftermarket wheel,If you are buying as a single consumer DC will charge FULL suggest retail pricing. Now the consumer will have to decide if the factory finish is worth the additional cost ( Up here in the land of 10,000 piles of salt and sand I would buy the Factory aluminum wheels) the chrome are no better than the aftermarket wheel,So I would NOT purchase any steel wheel from DC or any Automaker.



Now Hub assemblies for 3gen Trucks at the dealership are $360. 00 each,T&C Purchase from Supplier same Hub assembly for $180. 00, Consumer cost about $240. 00 from any Parts store, So DSteimle what take of the additional $360. 00 is yours (I know Our supplier is also making a Profit)If your Dealership agrees with DC policy than in (101) who is getting taken advantage of.

Take care Todd.

 

[BBlyman]

DSteimle



The post title was Dealer Steeler (just replace an e with an a) Rip-off and thats it, not any curse word there. The website did the ******. I was not cussing at anyone. This was not an attack on you or anyone.



Not sure why the site won't allow Steal er

 

[DSteimle]

Quite a fiery thread.



Some comments re subjects and dealers that bother me.



1) Markup is no problem,,, IF the parts are on hand! It seems to me it is unfair to charge me the complete markup when some of the markup is to compensate for inventory cost. And don't even try to charge me shipping cost!!! I'll be outta there.

2) Just becasue it is an insurance payed purchase,, why are they soaked more than an individual. Dammit I have to pay insurance too!!

3) For those that are concerned about corporate greed,, who do you think the corporation is? It is your 401K etc.

4) The thing that bothers me most about dealers is in general they have a mechanical staff of people for the most part that have not been to school. I think it is the dealers responsibility to make sure their mechanics are the best educated on the makes sold by that dealer. I hate to pay 60-90 $/hr to the dealer for a non educated mechanic that takes home 10-12 $/hr.



Anyway,, my 02

#4 i have seen this more and more in my 15 years of this job. under trained "techs" attempting to fix vehicles. problems is, most young guys with any mechanical aptitude are moving towards higher paying jobs that dont involve getting dirty and sweating. this leaves a huge gap in available techs.

it's going to get worse. i cant tell you how many of my "diesel techs" come in here to ask me questions

 

[DSteimle]

DSteimle



The post title was Dealer ******* Rip-off and thats it, not any curse word there. The website did the ******. I was not cussing at anyone. This was not an attack on you or anyone.

then i took it the wrong way, and all of this has been a exercise in futillity. :--)

 

[DSteimle]

Here is my take DSteimle,The factory wheel finish on the Aluminum wheel cannot be match be aftermarket companies, so the coating on the aluminum wheel is superior, Now the factory steel chrome finish is no better than the aftermarket wheel,If you are buying as a single consumer DC will charge FULL suggest retail pricing. Now the consumer will have to decide if the factory finish is worth the additional cost ( Up here in the land of 10,000 piles of salt and sand I would buy the Factory aluminum wheels) the chrome are no better than the aftermarket wheel,So I would NOT purchase any steel wheel from DC or any Automaker.



Now Hub assemblies for 3gen Trucks at the dealership are $360. 00 each,T&C Purchase from Supplier same Hub assembly for $180. 00, Consumer cost about $240. 00 from any Parts store, So DSteimle what take of the additional $360. 00 is yours (I know Our supplier is also making a Profit)If your Dealership agrees with DC policy than in (101) who is getting taken advantage of.

Take care Todd.

part#52010206AC (06-07 2wd 2500 front hub) list $360. 00 trade$288. 00 cost$216. 00. thats pricing provided by mopar. its a 67% markup, pretty standard in dealer parts (gm, dodge, hyundai, etc). i have sold alot of these and many have been at 288. 00. only wonder i have is when you say, "same hub assembly for $180. 00" do you mean it has a mopar # on it or is it an equivalent part?



added: if i sell this part at 360. 00- thats 144. 00 g. p. my personal take on this is 2% for a whopping $2. 88 in my pocket, pretax of course.

 

[TCDiesel]

Its Identical without Mopar part #, I just posted to illustrate,When I said your Take I meant Dealership,Also the $180. 00 is nationwide pricing with more than 250 stores. To be fair to all members and readers (Consumers) $240. 00 is fair cost. I think that most dealer would like to NOT to be under any agreements with Automakers( When it comes to Parts Sales),but if they want to sell new they have to agree to them. also Members and reader their is the same markup on parts installed at the dealer,so here is room for negotiation's.

 

[bighammer]

Before I remove this thread, I would like to remind all of you of the site guidelines. Please review them for what is and what is NOT acceptable on this site.

 

[bighammer]

DSteimle

The post title was Dealer Steeler (just replace an e with an a) Rip-Off

Not sure why the site won't allow Steal er

It's just not an accepable choice of words on the TDR. It is treated as profanity blocked. (creative ways of masking profanity are not allowed either)


I've removed very little from this and I'm putting it in the "Other" forum.

 

[bighammer]

Since this is really not about 3rd gen trucks anymore, I moved it here. Have at it, guys. (within the rules )

 

[CSnyder]

I personally worked as a parts manager at the local GM dealer and our markup was 100 percent over cost for retail and 66 percent markup to wholesale. My local Dodge partsman who is a friend told me that his is the same. Kinda makes you say hmmmmmmmm.

 

[Texas Diesel]

i bet you are the same bunch of idiots

It will be interesting to see what Admin does about this line...



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The only idiot would be the one who paid $307 for a wheel :-laf



Glad you arent my partsman