Dealer says "Valve Problem"

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

It sure sounds like a sensor and/or electronics/ECM problem to me instead of a mechanical issue with the engine. I think you had 2 things going on, one's fixed and now time to work on the other.



Vaughn

 

[blake underwood]

I talked to my dealer back home today, and they have the tool to do the compression test on every model year CTD. Next, I talked to Chrysler and the first dealer they called to find out if they had the tool, has it (Tempe Dodge). So, I issued a complaint w/ Chrysler about Earnhardt Dodge and setup an appt. for this Wed. @ Tempe Dodge.

 

[MMeier]

I wouldn't even dream of taking my truck to the dealer for engine warranty work.

Can't imagine why anyone else would either!!!

 

[sag2]

That 9007 compression adapter came in the 8849 kit. I have never seen one that has been used, so most likely it is still in that big grey plastic box. Included in that kit were most all the 3rd gen diesel tools.

 

[JStieger]

That 9007 compression adapter came in the 8849 kit.

Where do you buy these tools from? Are DC and Miller one of the same? Thanks!

 

[Tomeygun]

I picked the truck up this morning. The ticking under acceleration is gone, but the low idle and jumpy RPM's are still there.



If the truck is in Park or Neutral idle is normal and so are EGT's. If I put it in gear RPM's jump to 1000 while my foots on the brake, and then it idles down to 600 RPM, bellows out black, and EGT's continue rising. While driving though truck acts completely normal.



So ticking is gone, idle is still messed up, and the tool to do the compression test is out 'til mid October.

What about the EFC actuator (on the back of th CP3) - That can cuase a funky surge in idle:

www.tomeygun.com/misc/Idlesurge.pdf

 

[blake underwood]

Thanks TG. Truck is still @ dealer, been there since 8am, and will be there atleast 'til tomorrow. I told them about the EFC actuator and they are looking at it now.



thanks again

 

[EBottema]

I would have to say JGann is right on the money.



The Moss warranty act protects customers who buy non-dealer replacement items and also aftermarket parts. If I want to replace my turbo with a b1 and blow a headgasket, should it be covered? NO. Now, if my rocker arm comes loose or I get a oil leak, yes it should be covered.



As long as the problem was no related to the mod, then the warranty is valid, end of story...



erik

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

As long as the problem was no related to the mod, then the warranty is valid, end of story...



erik

Yep, that's a pretty good way to sum it up!

 

[BrianJ]

As long as the problem was no related to the mod, then the warranty is valid, end of story...

erik

I agree that it should be that way too, however, if push comes to shove and you end up in court, MMWA doesn't cover you for parts outside of the manufacturer operating parameters, e. g. performance enhancing parts or devices.



If you can prove that the "performance part" is not related to another parts failure, you should be covered, but quoting the MMWA won't help you a bit in court. However, there is other court history and precedent to fall on in such a case.

 

[EBottema]

Case law and MMWA would help you in court but it would be the dealer or manufacturers problem to prove the repair was related to the mod.

 

[BrianJ]

Case law and MMWA would help you in court but it would be the dealer or manufacturers problem to prove the repair was related to the mod.

If your talking brand x oil filter, then MMWA would help you, if your talking B1 turbo, MMWA will be of no help.



Just a matter of semantics...

 

[67guzzler]

This is the best analysis (Edge Products) I've seen. It covers the law and their understanding of the reality of what can happen when you use aftermarket parts. I know they are performance part manufacturer and I know they have a vested interest in misleading the public. But if you read their analysis you'll see they actually state that if you use their products, you do so at your own peril.



But the logic isn't that the MMWA doesn't protect you. They (and I) maintain that it still does. They just have concerns about the reality of the situation if you have a connecting rod break and you have 600 HP worth of stuff on your truck. It's basically a statement AGAINST their interests. This is very valuable under the law from an evidentiary standpoint and is very persuasive.



So, to restate. I have to respectfully disagree that the MMWA is of no help, for example, when you use an aftermarket turbocharger and an unrelated part fails. If there is no correlation between the aftermarket part and the failure, the MMWA says that the warranty is in full force and effect. There is no stipulation that says the parts are limited to oil filters.

AFTERMARKET PRODUCTS AND YOUR VEHICLE’S WARRANTY



"Many of our customers ask, “Will your product void my vehicle manufacturer’s warranty?” While the answer is straightforward from a legalstandpoint, we also want to educate our customers (and after-market consumers) on some industry realities and offer some common sense precautions to minimize your risk.



Consumers of aftermarket products are protected by The FederalMagnusson-Moss Warranty Act. The Act states that if something breaks on your car and you take it in for warranty repair, the dealer must honor your warranty unless they can prove that whatever modifications you have added to your car actually caused the problem.



Please keep in mind that towing in anything higher than level two and hard driving in levels four and five are not recommended. While as a consumer, you have strong legal protection with regards to your vehicle’s warranty, there is also a practical reality that different automotive manufacturers and dealers have greatly varying views on aftermarket products, in particular those that produce horsepower, such as performance enhancement chips, modified intake manifolds, or aftermarketexhaust systems. There are dealers and manufacturers out there that willuse the presence of a horsepower upgrade to void your vehicle’s warranty. They will do this regardless of whose product you are using. Any aftermarket company that does not acknowledge this is misleading you. The bottom line is that while the law protects the consumer and provides for enforcement of the warranty, it is very difficult for most people to hire an attorney and fight a voided warranty. Edge recommends that you alwaysdisconnect and remove your module and monitor when you take your vehicle to a dealer for warranty work in order not to interfere with Diagnostic equipment. "

So the real question, IMHO is the likelihood you'd be able to defend your position that a particular failure wasn't caused by any and all of the mods that are found on your vehicle. The question "will this modification void my warranty" really isn't answerable other than to say not until something breaks and you can't defend the argument that your mods caused the failure.

 

[GaryCarter]

Look at this from the other side. If I built and sold someone a 325 hp warrantied engine, and they choose to modify it and run 450 hp, I would not warranty anything between the oil fill cap and the drain plug. Added stress affects almost every part of the engine.

I would refuse coverage. If the buyer tried to enforce the warranty, they would spend more in legal than the engine cost, and in the end they will almost certainly lose.



Now if this was a common failure on UNMODIFED engines, then I would probably choose to honor the warranty.

But a failure to moving parts on a turned up engine... Not likely.



Gary



PS- the MM act is all about replacements. Not BOMBS.

 

[Bob4x4]

I would have to say JGann is right on the money.



The Moss warranty act protects customers who buy non-dealer replacement items and also aftermarket parts. If I want to replace my turbo with a b1 and blow a headgasket, should it be covered? NO. Now, if my rocker arm comes loose or I get a oil leak, yes it should be covered.



As long as the problem was no related to the mod, then the warranty is valid, end of story...



erik

The rocker arms are removed to install the injectors,the one who had the rockers off is responsible not D/C :-laf



Bob

 

[BrianJ]

PS- the MM act is all about replacements. Not BOMBS.

My point exactly! (as well as the rest of your post)

 

[67guzzler]

PS- the MM act is all about replacements. Not BOMBS.

A replacement and a bomb can be 1 in the same so my point exactly too!

 

[blake underwood]

Turns out it has nothing to do w/the motor . It's my transmission, either the TC or VB dodge says. I told 'em not to tear into it though since it's warrantied by ATS. Talked w/ATS this morning and they gave me the names of a couple of dealers in my area, so I'll go that route and hopefully everything will work out GOOD.



Thanks TDR



Blake

 

[67guzzler]

That sounds like good news!!! Good luck Blake! Let us know how ATS handles it!

 

[DPKetchum]

Well it did have a rocker off. Dealer tech did find the FIRST problem.