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A fellow member PBirch experienced the Death Wobble last week. He lost control of his 2000 extended cab 4wd during the violent shaking as he had no steering during the episode. This caused him to run off the roadway and into a deep drainage ditch at about 50 mph. The impact sheared off the axle tube on the drivers side and while taking out 50' of iron fencing, the truck rolled and ejected his border collie 'Hap' from the bed. Hap didn't make it. He was in the back of the truck covered by a steel camper shell that was beefed up with extra steel bracing which was destroyed during the impact. Phil (PBirch) was able to make it out but took a ride to the hospital for a laceration to his head, suffered multiple contusions and is still moving around kind of slow. Had Phil been taking his elderly mother to a scheduled Dr. visit, well, I shudder at the thought of that senario.



I have read several threads about the Death Wobble problem but didn't think it could happen to Phil. Here is his truck bio: 2000 qc short bed, injectors, pac brake, 100 gal aux fuel tank, guages, ez, back up lights. Phil had a 2" leveling kit and stock tires and wheels. He did not have the alignment caster adjusted and has had trac-bar problems with a stock replacement bar in place at the time of the accident. He did not have the SSI parts intalled prevent the Death Wobble.

The tow company allowed us to salvage every part off the truck we wanted and that took about 2 days. We did, however, leave the stock lift pump for the wrecking yard...



I will be purchasing the parts necessary to prevent this from happening to me, be sure of that. In fact, my wife has insisted on upgrades for once. (go figure) Every owner of the 2nd generation trucks should be aware of the propensity of the Death Wobble occurrence and the suspension modifications that both increase its probability and prevent it.



Ignorance is bliss, right? Not when lives are at stake. Can you take the risk of endangering the lives of your passengers or other drivers? I won't, and I promised my wife that I would take a more proactive approach to our safety by fixing the problem. We do tow heavy trailers and boats... Apathy could prove disastrous.
 
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i knew someone was going to get hurt by the "wobble"

heres a thread i started a few years ago when i first got the "death wobble"

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19233



how many unexplained wrecks involving heavy duty rams with fatalities do you think had the death wobble?



there are several fixes for the wobble but there is still no cure or actual cause.

the caster adjustment fixed mine,,but for how long ?? i always think about it at speeds over 65.
 
Iceman, I had the "Death wobble" in a old truck so long ago I cannot remember the the details except dry cleaning my shorts was required.

I am sorry to hear the '01's are affected... We have 100k+ on ours and I had it up over 100mph the other day. No idea what the fix is yet?

Rich
 
Hey Heet- What are the 'SSI' parts you're talkin' about? Solid Steel? The 3rd gen track bar mount? I haven't heard that this is a cure for death wobble, have you? If it keeps me from DW'n again, I'll be alot more interested. Puckerin' at every pot hole just plain sucks.
 
Heetseeker_1 said:
the truck rolled and ejected his border collie 'Hap' from the bed. Hap didn't make it. He was in the back of the truck covered by a steel camper shell that was beefed up with extra steel bracing



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Very very sad to hear about this accident. I have never been very impressed with the Non-leaf spring front end on the 2nd and 3rd gen trucks.



I hope I am not offending anyone with my quote above, but riding in the bed is dangerous, we have a lot of accidents like that around here.



Scot
 
Im sorry to hear about the accident, i have read many a post about the death wobble, but so far and pushing 95000 miles i haven't thank goodness had any such problems not even as much as sign, I wish him a quick recovery and i know thats hard to lose a sidekick even though it was a dog, like me i to have had family pets that were as close to me as my family is. but thank goodness he was able to walk away from such a awful crash...
 
Okay so You've peaked my concern about a potential problem I've never heard of before. What exactly is the "Death Wobble" and what usually causes it? Can it be fixed at all or just prevented better?
 
The wobble is when one front wheel starts hopping up and down so violently you cannot steer or brake the truck. You just have to hold on till it stops at about 35mph and hope the road is straight. I got it on my stock suspension once at 85mph.



I do believe it's caster related...
 
Im with scott martin. I blame the coil springs for the D. W problem in these trucks. Had the Death wobble with a 1973 ford f100 4x4 coil spring front end I had as a kid and after that have had many chev and fords some used some new all with leafs up front and have never had it happen till Last year when i got the dodge. Did the lukes link and dss brace but its never really fixed just a temp cure till i get leafs or get rid of it.
 
I've had situations where it feels like I'm driving a basketball. It only happened on certain stretches of road. I thought it was the tires out of balance or something. New tires kind of helped, but it still does it a little. Is this the infamous "Death Wobble" or the beginning of it? Or just an annoyance? Sounds serious; I need to learn more. Thanks
 
Had a 1976 2wd Chevy van that had it terrible. Added a steering stabilzer which corrected it.



My 04 Dodge got it once after installing a 2" leveling kit.



Caster adjustment fixed it.
 
it's a caster problem... it is preventable... tight steering/suspension components and steering stabilizers will help as well...



these trucks were on the edge from the factory... some worse than others... when you raise the front, you put them over the edge of safe caster. dial that caster back to the high side of spec, and you'll be fine.



most alignment shops don't want to touch caster settings because they're difficult and time consuming to fix... they'll set the toe and send you on your way and tell you everything is fine.



and no offense to anyone, I'm sorry about the dog :( , and I'm VERY glad no human life was lost, but why lift the front if you're still running stock wheels/tires?



the death wobble thing has been gone over and over on this board... and it can be defeated without going to leaf springs.



Forrest
 
I to hd experianced the death wooble... . I could repeat it over a certain set of rail road track crossing. I upgraded the stock steering stablizer with a rancho & added the rancho 2nd stablizer & i have yet to experiance the wooble since (15k miles). Sorry to hear that a fateful friend has died!
 
Well sounds like someone needs to notify the national highway traffic administration about this. I changed to the 03 track bar. I hate to say this, but I started getting the death wobble after this. I had someone look at when the ball joints were changed. He suggested adding dual shocks up front and a track bar with heim joints. He said he does that on every Dodge 4x4 that comes in. I would say he knows his stuff, he has been building and racing monster trucks for 20 years along with lifting 4x4 trucks.
 
i had the death wobble once. it scared the heck out of me. i had bent my stabilizer shock and took it off while waiting on a new one. needless to say i went right over and got a new one. and replace the track bar again. will look into the upgrade to the 03 bar in the future.
 
That sucks sorry to hear about that :( my dogs like my kid i would be so bumed . I have been looking into this solid steal stuff now im going to somthing.
 
The 03 track bar is a great design as the 3rd gen steering/front suspension is much improved over our 2nd gen trucks. But- the 03 track bar only masks the problem in my views. We are now seeing that it doesnt help much. SSI setup is also only a mask it is takes a messed up designed track bar and trys to improve it. The only alternative is the DT setup. It is adjustable for axle placement(perfect for lifted trucks) and has solid heim joints at each end. DT lists the product for 360+shipping for the kit, I can get it to you for much cheaper, PM me for pricing.



Erik
 
EBottema said:
The 03 track bar is a great design as the 3rd gen steering/front suspension is much improved over our 2nd gen trucks. But- the 03 track bar only masks the problem in my views. We are now seeing that it doesnt help much. SSI setup is also only a mask it is takes a messed up designed track bar and trys to improve it. The only alternative is the DT setup. It is adjustable for axle placement(perfect for lifted trucks) and has solid heim joints at each end. DT lists the product for 360+shipping for the kit, I can get it to you for much cheaper, PM me for pricing.



Erik





If they only would make one for the 3rd Gen I'd buy it.
 
JPittinger,



The SSI stuff is the steering brace, 03' trac bar and frame brace thing. I'm still looking into it but don't want to just throw money at the problem without a definitive cure. So far, possible and I emphisize. . "possible" cures are:



1. Solid Steel Industries braces and 03' trac bar

2. Caster adjustment

3. Upgraded coil springs

4. New bushings in all components

5. New ball joints



As you can see, this could get expensive to toss money at. Where do we start? I'm thinking that they are all important. Any other fixes out there? Let's get a list going and see if we can narrow it down.
 
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