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Ok guys, a friend of mine wants a 2500, but he can't decide Ford/Dodge/Gm. He wants a diesel so spill your guts on why cummins rules and the other guys don't so we don't let another 1st time diesel owner go the wrong way!

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Mark Callahan

1998. 5 3500 4x4 24V 5spd, Geno's Muffler Kit, Chrome exhaust, Western Hauler Headache Rack, Chrome Rocker Panels, A-Pillar Mounted Boost ,EGT and Oil Temp Gauges, Rhino Linings sprayed in bed liner , CATZ lights, No Turbo Silencer Ring (Yeah Baby!)
 
Cummins' track record. End of story.

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2001 2500; SLT; 4x4; QC; LWB; Auto; 3. 54 LS; 265s; Camper; Tow; Sliding Rear Window; Travel Convenience Group; Cab Clearance Lamps; BedRug; Forest Green; Isspro Pyro, Boost, and Trans Temp Gauges; 27' TT
 
Cummins is the only real RATTLER #ad


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2001 RAM H. O. 6Sp 2500 SLT 4x4 Quad Cab, 4Wheel Disc, 4. 10 Limited Slip, Fog Lights, Muffler removed, Silence Ring Gone, Autometer Pro Comp 60# Boost & Pyro, Banks High Ram (Red), Cummins Red Valve Cover, K&N RE-0880, Skyjacker 2. 5 lift Class 2, 7218 Dual steering stabilizers, Custom Pro Fab Trackbar (sweet), EGR Flares (nice fit), Centerline Comet III 16x9. 5 with Goodyear MT/R 315/75R16, Smittybuilt stainless nurf bars, ExTang BlackMax tonno, THIS IS NOT A HOBBY, THIS IS AN ADDICTION !!! MAINLINING DIESEL !!! "I AM GLAD I DID NOT BUY AN AUTOMATIC, JMO"
 
Let him drive yours!

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2001. 5 2500 ETH/DEE 4x4,Patriot Blue over Silver,Camper pkg, Trailerpkg,3. 54LSD, Agate Leather,Stainless Smitty Bars,Tow hooks,Amsoil,Window Fix... ... ... :) Except snowplow!
 
Go down to the truck stop. Ask the drivers to let you look at their engines. Count the number of Dmaxes and Powerstrokes vs. the inline 6 diesels. Explain to him the differance between a light duty engine and a medium duty engine. If you find yourself beating your head against the wall until the blood is running down on the baseboard... STOP! There are some people you just can't help... ... ... ..... LOL

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2001 2500 QC, ETH/DEE,4:10s,LSD,EZ with elbow(28psi)Stage 1 injectors from Carl,Boost/Pyro Guages,4" Turbo back,BD Brake,Mag-Hytec Cover,Kleen Wheels,Energy Release,70 gal. fuel,20K Reese. 31,000 Miles on 03/01/01 TDR Grille Badge(Auto/Truck/RV Dealer)Honda GL 1500 SE Pearl White for fun.
 
Originally posted by azcummins:
Ok guys, a friend of mine wants a 2500, but he can't decide Ford/Dodge/Gm.

Have him go to a fire hall and look at foretrucks. Cummins ISB and ISC motors. Our Emergency Apparatus division(www.csiea.com) sells 95% Cummins Powered trucks. FWIW I work for the industrial division so I only get over there to see the rigs about once every two weeks or so.



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2001. 5 QC 2500 White Sport 4x4 LWB ETC 5-Speed Anti-Spin 3. 54 Trailer Tow 241HD SLT+ Tan Leather(Mad Cow Disease) LT265/75R16E ARE Z Series Cap Bedrug ICI Nerfbars
 
The Cummins is the only commercial grade engine sold in a pickup, period.

The Cummins is used in industries from trucking, marine to farming, worldwide. The B9 is one of the most widely use engines in the world.

Get a med. duty Ford and it will have the Cummins. Boats, Heavy equipment and even dodges all use the Cummins.

Cummins has no glow plugs, no belt drive water pumps, there injectors have a history of 100's of thousands of miles (not 2 or 3 sets by 150K miles) (ever look at the price for the injectors for a V8 verses a Cummins, you will be shocked), and no cracked blocks at 80K miles.

The list can go on, like flatter power curve, less down shifting when towing, better fuel mileage, typically 2 MPG better, empty or towing.

Then there are the looks. The RAM has that hands down.

Capability, the Dodge will handle loads at or even beyond it rating with out effecting the truck. Load a Dodge, Ford and Chevy 1000 lbs. over their limit. The Chevy's tail is on the ground; the Ford sits low in the rear and the Dodge gets to about level. Still lots cool.

All 3 of these trucks have their strengths, the Dodge is the Cummins and capabilities. The Chevy is empty performance and smooth quit ride, the Ford is some where in the middle.

Try getting a Ford equipped the way YOU want!

I wanted the High torque engine with 4. 10's in the single rear wheel truck. Can't do it at Ford. But if you want it the way they sell it you are OK. I guess I am the Burger King type of guy and want it "my way". But then again, you can't get a true Crew cab at Dodge.

What I have found is that people who do research buy Dodge, those that listen to sales and marketing buy Fords.

Good luck and let us know which way he goes, he will get a good truck, no matter which one he gets.

Bob



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1998. 5, 2500, SLT, Red over Driftwood, 24V, 4X4, Auto, 4. 10, Light Group, Camper Special group, Convenience Group, Travel Group, Trailer Group, Keyless entry, 5 band EQ and 6 disk changer. (truck is 4-Sale) towing a 35ft. Travel EZE 5er.

It's in, due to pick up May 10 or 11, a factory ordered 2001 3500, SLT+, Green, Tan leather, Duel Power Seats, HO, 6 speed, 4X6, 4. 10, Towing Package, Trailer Tow Mirrors, Camper Package, Sliding rear Window, Jacob’s E-brakes (Dodge), Electric Steps (Dodge), Mud Flaps on all 4s (Dodge) Line-X over the rail bed liner, 20K Reese 5th wheel Hitch with Gooseneck, 30” toolbox and tailgate box.
 
1) Looks better sitting still.
2) Looks even better moving.
3) When the pedal goes down, it's all over. #ad

4) It'll still be over at 400K+ miles #ad
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Kurt Voss
********* 1999 2500 24VCTD AUTO 4x4 QC LB Laramie SLT, Luverne stainless steel nerf bars, 3 piece bug deflector, mopar mud flaps, Line-X bedliner, Blue Chip Fuel Management System (Premium), Psychotty Air, DD3's,TTPM, DD 4" exhaust, HX40, DTT VB/TC(91%) , Mag-Hytec transmission pan... YEEEEEHAAAA!!

[This message has been edited by work2muchplay2little (edited 05-10-2001). ]
 
Less techincal reasons to prefer a Cummins:
Has that awsome sound announcing your arrival. And of course that aswsome shut down screech the others have tried to duplicate.

Cheaper and easier to bomb!

Mess with the best, die like the rest.

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99' Qcab, 4x4, auto, chrome nerf bars, VA, Boost elbow, DiProcal Pillar mount gauges, 16X8 Eagle wheels, Dunlop 285/75 AT's
 
Tell him about all of great problems Brand F is having with crackle and steering problems.
Go check out www.ford-diesel.com and see all
of the ****** off powerjoke owners.

Charles

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2000 QC 2500 4x4 LWB ETC/DEE, Anti-Spin, 3. 54, Trailer Tow, Camper Special, DD1's, PS boost module, PS high idle kit, PS steel idler pulley, Autometer boost and EGT gauges, Westin nerf bars, Rhino Liner
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My Toy

1969 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40
350 TBI, Turbo 400, ARB lockers front/rear, 4 wheel power disk brakes, 4. 88 ring/pinion, 3 speed transfer case, full roll cage, Warn 8274, MRT 36 bolt beadlocks with Super Swamper Boggers (16x35x15), Saginaw Power steering, custom bumpers/fenders/nerf bars/skid plate, GM tilt steering column, 6 point roll cage, RCI racing seats with 5 point harness. Conquered Tellico and going to Moab this May. Loves to be pulled behind the Dodge and pass the powerjokes going up hills.
 
Mark,

An old roommate from college days was a diesel mechanic in his former life (poor 32 year old in a sea of 18 year old goofballs). I will never forget some of the things he told me, some of which can't be told in this forumn due to the family atmosphere... But I digress.

In any case, the relavent thought was that anytime he had to work on a piece of equipment that had caterpillar 3208, it was a dreaded evening. The V-8 configuration, it seems, is a sorry excuse for an inline six. Even in gasoline engines, the inline sixes, while not the powerhouses, could be found in 3/4 ton rigs, due to the tremendous torque provided by this configuration. If you look at OTR trucks, almost all of them have an inline six (Cummins, Cat, and even Detroit caught on).

In any case, your friend is going to pay too much for his new truck due to a bloated, top heavy organization and the latest electronic, computerized gizmos that he doesn't want, much less need. But with a Dodge, he will be getting a decent truck with an awesome engine (even if it isn't a wet sleeve motor).

I'll be waiting to see how many miles I can rack up on my ETH/DEE (shooting for 750k over the next 15 to 20), and how the body holds up.

Scott Thoren

BSME, soon to be MSEE
(that should make me twice as stupid to the engineer haters !!!)


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2001 3/4T Patriot Blue QC, ETH/DEE, SLT, NV241HD, everything but leather.
 
Thanks guys for your help. I hit a lot of the same points that you guys did, but not in so much detail. Even I learned something!! Sweet!!

I'm off to the lake this weekend so I'll see how many powerjokes and Durapukes I can smoke. #ad
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Mark Callahan

1998. 5 3500 4x4 24V 5spd, Geno's Muffler Kit, Chrome exhaust, Western Hauler Headache Rack, Chrome Rocker Panels, A-Pillar Mounted Boost ,EGT and Oil Temp Gauges, Rhino Linings sprayed in bed liner , CATZ lights, No Turbo Silencer Ring (Yeah Baby!)
 
Hard to add anything at this point.

So I'll simply give my perspective.
I'm sorta one of those cut and dry kind of guys. In other words, I like a plain steak on the grill, with a baked potato. Don't need none of this auju stuff... or what ever its called with some frilly thing on the side of the plate.

I want a Diesel to sound like a Diesel, not like a gasoline motor on bad gas.

If a motor has an iron block, it needs iron heads. None of this mix and match stuff.

That idea might be wonderful for a race motor... where it only needs to last as long as the owner's foot is in the pedel. I need the truck to last as long as me.

Besides, if aluminum heads on a diesel was such a "GREAT" idea, big rigs and construction equipment would have been using the concept long already. Don't you think?

A friend of my father, who has been a Diesel mechanic his whole life of 58 years... When asked what he thought of the Duramax and Powerstroke. . After the Aluminum head discussion. . he said, I've yet to see a good V8 Diesel.

Lastly, it seems few people want to work on the PS or DM. Yet few are afraid to dig into a Cummins. Why do you think that is??

Glowplug technology is outdated, thank god.

My neighbor's IH tractor has an the same ISB as my Dodge. Can't say that I've every seen a Duramax or PS in a tractor. Why do you think that is.....

Other than the need for 4 doors, I can't think of one good reason not to buy a Cummins.

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98. 5' Emerald Green 24v 2500 Auto/3. 54 4x4 SB QC 285. 75. 16's Bridgestone Dueler A/T's on 16" x 8" Alcoa's under Rancho 9000's. Everything but leather. PIAA 1200's, AMSOIL dual filter relocation system, Smittybuilt Stainless Steel Nerfs, Rhino Liner(Junk).
 
Just a local story of buying...

Friend of mine had a Chevy 4x2(he had no complaints with his Chevy oil burner) for many years, it treated him well. . Both our families camp, one day while out camping I let him drive my Dodge. . he sold his Chevy, never looked back and bought a 4x4 3500, HO 6 speed... His friend has a ford oil burner, 2nd transmission, engine died... he was looking to buy a ford again (I dont know why with his list of problems) . . he does a bunch of towing. . after driving my friends new Dodge 3500, and learning the towing capacity of the Dodge standard cabs... he's looking at the Dodge now... .
A another friend of mine has a gasser 95 dodge. . he's now trying to buy a new Cummins powered Dodge, after driving mine and towing for awhile with his gasser. .

No need to defend it, it growles for it's self.


Bob

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99 Dodge 2500 QC SLT 4x4,
Cummins ISB Diesel, Auto, 3. 54:1,
All towing options, Flame Red,
Warn Class III front hitch, Warn MM w/6klb Warn winch,
SmittyBuilt nerf/step Bars textured black,
Mag-Hytech rear Diff and transmission pans,
ARE Cap, rug bed liner, rear Reese Titan Class V.
LIBBA 255 - N2PZN - AMA 533720
http://www.tdr4x4.com/



[This message has been edited by bobk (edited 05-11-2001). ]
 
I too was a newby to the Diesel about a year ago.

I love my cummins, and am very satisfied with my decision. There were several factors which effected my decision.

What worked best for me was to select the truck first. Forget the engine . . we'll get to that later.

The interior fit and finish of the ram is a BIG plus. Second was the intergrated seat belts in the front seats. Have the passenger buckle up then recline as you would on a trip. Easy to see which is the safer feature. Rear leg room, size of the seat bottom and higher & angled seat back for the rear seat. Much more comfortable.

Then go on to the vehicle itself. Let me say this before I start. I believe there are more vehicles out there in both camps without the following problems . . but they seem to get the most attention on the forums.
I'm lucky . . "knock on wood" no issues to date.

Both have auto trans issues that need attention if you look to increase the power beyond stock. Both have front-end and braking issues. So as far as mechanical goes . . its a wash . . kinda even hand delt. Everyone has a chance for a lemon . . it's dependant of how good of a service facility you have as to whether you can get beyond any of these areas of concern.

The kicker for me was the stats on the engine. Our ISB is rated as a light/medium duty engine, whereas the PSD is rated as light. There is a link . . but I can't find it . . maybe someone else can post that.

The PSD has 2 more cylinders and greater displacement yet is about 20% lighter than the Cummins. Larger bearing, larger crank, more steel in the block = greater potential for longer service with a heavier duty engine? I think so.

The Cummins is better in MPG department typically 2mpg on average better. And will out tow an equally equipped PSD usually without exception.

For the PSD you need to constantly keep up with the coolant condition. Test strips to monitor SCA level to keep the block from getting eaten up by the effects of cavitation. To date . . not a concern for the Cummins.

Glow plugs just don't cut it. My cousin with a PSD fears temps below 40. After about a year with his rig. 3 times during the last cold snap he needed to get the vehicle towed to the dealer for componient failures. 3 glow plugs and 2 controlers later . . he still fears the real cold. No confidence?

Then there is the cackle / engine knock issue. For a engine manufacturer and Ford not to have a clue of the cause is a major issue in my book. What's even worse there are hundreds of documented cases of this engine knock, do a search on "cackle" on the PSD board. Cackle Survey - Over 20 pages!

And even more scary is the condition could show up months after you purchase the vehicle . . bringing it to the service isle will result in a service manager adding your vehicle to a list for whenever they find the problem they will call. Nearly 18 months now of this documented condition without any clue to its cause.

The only issue is whether your buddy needs a crew cab. Or if he trades out every 2 years and have no intention on keeping it beyond 100k miles. Then the ford is an option.

In my family . . I have the only cummins below 150k miles. My brother in-law's fleet of delivery vehicles was converted from PSD in 1997. 8 3500's and 4 2500's . . all over 150k and the highest with 463k. He claims he will never to return to a PSD fleet.

If he's gonna tow get the standard!! My 5sp is one of the easiest clutches and smoothest transmissions I ever shifted. Unless a personal requirement save the bucks, get the 6sp HO and keep the extra $1100 for some "upgrades"

I have behind the wheel time in all of them and wouldn't trade mine for any of the others. Yeah the Cummins sounds like a real diesel and its a little louder . . but at least my truck doesn't sound like a school bus!

Sorry for the long post . . Good luck . .
Michael

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00 Driftwood 2500 ST QC ISB LB 5spd 3:54 LSD Tow & Camper Groups . . SunnyBrook 33FKS Travel Trailer

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I keep seeing alot of those F and C brands for sale that only a couple of years old. You don't see alot of Ram Diesels for sale. Wonder why??? Could it be the pleasure of driving a true bona-fide working diesel. If you want to spend alot of extra money for something that has 40% more moving parts and probably won't see 250,000 without problems, by all means it your choice. These Cummins been around alot longer then whats in the Ford or the Duramax. They have been refined and worked. The design is simple and effective. And when you look at the ability to personlize the engine with the performance upgrade to the comfort level you want, you will alway win with the Cummins. American made and more work miles behind it than the others combined. I rest my case!

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Mundgyver : 2001 - 2500 QuadCab 4x4 139"WB, DK. Garnet Red Pearl Coat, Agate Inerior, Leather w/heat power adj both sides, 5. 9L HO 245Hp, 6 spd HD Manual, 3. 54 Axle, 21 Mpg Avg in town 24 Mpg Hw, OverHead Trip Computer/AntiTheft System, Mopar Tow Group Package. Add-on = EZ-Box=Haulin Butt, AMSOIL, PIAA SuperWhite 9004 HL's, Acrilic Black bug deflectors, Under Hood Full Radiator Bug&Gravel Screen, Cummins Exhaust Brake, Agate Dash Cover, AutoMeter SportComp Exhaust Gas/Boost/Oil Temp, Passport 7500 Detector, Garmen GPS III+, B&W Turnover Ball Model 1394R, LineX Bed Liner over the rails, Westin Step bars LineX coated. E-Mail at res02cke@gte.net -Working on the rest of the goodies as I can afford it.
 
Mundgyver,

Good point. I too have noticed lots of Super Dootys on the used car lots. Kinda of makes you wonder why there are so many 1-2 year old trucks for sale. Boy am I glad I did not buy brand F or C.

Charles

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2000 QC 2500 4x4 LWB ETC/DEE, Anti-Spin, 3. 54, Trailer Tow, Camper Special, DD1's, PS boost module, PS high idle kit, PS steel idler pulley, Autometer boost and EGT gauges, Westin nerf bars, Rhino Liner
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My Toy

1969 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40
350 TBI, Turbo 400, ARB lockers front/rear, 4 wheel power disk brakes, 4. 88 ring/pinion, 3 speed transfer case, full roll cage, Warn 8274, MRT 36 bolt beadlocks with Super Swamper Boggers (16x35x15), Saginaw Power steering, custom bumpers/fenders/nerf bars/skid plate, GM tilt steering column, 6 point roll cage, RCI racing seats with 5 point harness. Loves to be pulled behind the Dodge and pass the powerjokes going up hills.
 
every town has an "auto row". Just slowly drive thru your local "auto row"---you will see hundreds of ford and gm trucks on the lots and few if any dodges!!! I'm a newby to this forum and to deisel pickups, been lurking for some time---this is what really sold me--obviously the dodge folks liked their trucks well enough to keep them--not so for the ford and gm guys--I love my truck!!! See sig. just my $. o2 worth.

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01. 5 quad 4x4 longbed isb 3. 54lsd sport black beauty--got leather-n-cab lights!!!--1 shovel, 2 blockheads, and a buell s-1----he who dies with the most toys---wins!!!
 
Just go look at our pics posted on Regional and Nat'l events it was from a truck pull over the weekend NO POWERCHOKES or DURAPUKES finished with us!!

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1994 2500 Regular Cab Longbed, 4x4 Red & Silver, Stainless Steel Rocker Panels, 2. 5" Skyjacker, tweaked afc & pump, BIG plate, HX35 w/16cm housing,no muffler or resonator, 16. 5x9. 75 Weld Rims, 33x12. 50 BFG Mud Terrians, 60 psi boost gauge, pryometer, J&J Stainless Steel rear 10" drop bumper w/backup lights, Westin pushbar, PIAA 90 Pro series lights, Weatherguard toolbox 27", Aluminum bed rails & tailgate protector, President Lincoln H. A. M. radio converted, 400 watt linear, Premier Pioneer stereo, *COMING SOON* 370 hp injectors,
 
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