Delvac 1 5W40 & Mobil Truck & SUV Synthetic

[HMistica]

Are these two exactly the same thing but labeled differently by Mobil? I want to use Delvac 1 Sythetic soon but it's hard to find. I heard Mobil 1 Truck & SUV is the same exact thing. It's all over Walmart shelves so if it is the same that makes things easier. Just wanted to confirm. Thanks.

 

[RustyJC]

Here's the spec sheet for Mobil I Truck & SUV.



Here's the spec sheet for Mobil Delvac I.



Rusty

 

[ttreibel]

My Walmart only has the Mobil 1 truck SUV 5-40 so that is what I am using. I think it is marketed more to Gassers because it comes in a 5 quart jug versus gallon on the delvac.

 

[DieselNasty]

A diesel oil is different then a regular gas engine oil. I use Rotella-T Synthetic 5w-40 and it is on wal-mart shelves.

 

[amsoilman]

Are these two exactly the same thing but labeled differently by Mobil? I want to use Delvac 1 Sythetic soon but it's hard to find. I heard Mobil 1 Truck & SUV is the same exact thing. It's all over Walmart shelves so if it is the same that makes things easier. Just wanted to confirm. Thanks.

Delvac 1 5W40 & Mobil Truck & SUV Synthetic are two different oils! They are not even close to being the same other than viscosity wise.



If it were me, and you want to use the MObil brand, I would use the Delvac.



My 0. 2 worth.





Wayne

amsoilman

 

[JTryles]

Delvac 1 5W40 & Mobil Truck & SUV Synthetic are two different oils! They are not even close to being the same other than viscosity wise.



If it were me, and you want to use the MObil brand, I would use the Delvac.



My 0. 2 worth.





Wayne

amsoilman

Other then the T&S being "only" CI-4 and the Delvac 1 being Ci-4+... . what else makes them "not even close"? Not being critical of your comment... just would like more info. In this area the T&S is a lot easier to find then the Delvac 1.

 

[amsoilman]

Other then the T&S being "only" CI-4 and the Delvac 1 being Ci-4+... . what else makes them "not even close"? Not being critical of your comment... just would like more info. In this area the T&S is a lot easier to find then the Delvac 1.

Look at the specs posted by RustyJC and you'll see many differences. My guess is they use different "base" stocks. The delvac 1 meets or exceeds ACEA E5/4/E3

Caterpiller ECF-1

Cummins CES 20072/20071

Detroit Diesel

Global DHD-1

JASO DH-1





Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Cooker]

Look at the specs posted by RustyJC and you'll see many differences.

Wayne,

The physical properties listed are exactly identical.



I belive the advertised classifications is more of a marketing idea than an actual difference in oils. Since they market the T & SUV for gassers why spend all the effort to list all the diesel specs that it meets and try to appeal to a diesel crowd.



The virgin oil analysis of the two are virtually identical. The variances are so minute they are more likely from batch differences than formulation differences.



It is also my understanding that the T & SUV is not CI-4+ certified because Mobil did not want to pay to recert the T & SUV since they are not marketing it to a diesel crowd so why pay.



An email to Mobil might clear this up for those who are doubtful.

 

[hammersley]

Really?????

Wayne,

The physical properties listed are exactly identical.



I belive the advertised classifications is more of a marketing idea than an actual difference in oils. Since they market the T & SUV for gassers why spend all the effort to list all the diesel specs that it meets and try to appeal to a diesel crowd.



The virgin oil analysis of the two are virtually identical. The variances are so minute they are more likely from batch differences than formulation differences.



It is also my understanding that the T & SUV is not CI-4+ certified because Mobil did not want to pay to recert the T & SUV since they are not marketing it to a diesel crowd so why pay.



We're not talking about the Clampett's MOBILE House???? Surely Not MOBILE the OIL COMPANY..... I know - THEY CAN"T AFFORD THE CERTIFICATION - PROFITS DOWN A BIT???? That's ridiculous - Now I'm not getting on you - and I've heard that before - But this is the cost of doing business - and THIS IS OIL - Right up their ALLEY! Almost sounds like BIOSYNTHETIC... ...

 

[Cooker]

It sounds reasonable to me.



If I were selling the exact same product under two different product names, one was geared to Market A and the other product geared toward a totally separate Market B I would not pay to advertise them both in the same way.



Seems like a good business decision IMHO.



Like I said whether it is true or not remains to be seen until verification comes from Mobil, but I can certainly understand the reasoning if that is the case.



JMHO

 

[TowPro]

I bet that Delvec1 contains more of the additives making it an oil that can be run longer between changes.



Base stock is one part of an oil, but the additive package has a lot to do with it also.

Of course I don't work there, but I did stay at a holiday in last night

 

[JTryles]

I'm afraid that the only way this might ever come to a conclusion is if some independant oil analysis takes place. Break them both down chemically and see what (if anything) is different. The bigger question is... . using either one and changing every 7500... will one be leaps and bounds better for the CTD?

 

[Elite1]

I think this says it all:



*Mobil 1 Truck & SUV



SAE Grade 5W-40

Viscosity, ASTM D 445

cSt @ 40ºC 102

cSt @ 100ºC 14. 8

Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 151

Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1. 35

Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 12

Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -45

Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 226

Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0. 854



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*Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40



SAE Grade 5W-40

Viscosity, ASTM D 445

cSt @ 40ºC 102

cSt @ 100ºC 14. 8

Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 151

Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1. 35

Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 12

Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -45

Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 226

Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0. 854





It's the same stuff!

 

[Cooker]

I'm afraid that the only way this might ever come to a conclusion is if some independant oil analysis takes place. Break them both down chemically and see what (if anything) is different. The bigger question is... . using either one and changing every 7500... will one be leaps and bounds better for the CTD?

This had been done.



Virgin oil analysis of the two oil show that they are nearly identical, including the additive packages. There are minute differences between the numbers. The differences are so small they are most likely due to differences in batches then actual differences in the oils chemical composition.

 

[BILLUA]

I just switched to Mobil1 Truck & SUV at 20,000 miles... I broke my truck in with Chevron Dello 15W40... I have had 3 analysis done by Blackstone using 3,000 mile oil change intervals. The Dello has done excellent breaking the truck in per Blackstone. It is excellent oil.



The sole reason that I am switching to the synthetic has to do only with the extreme operating temperatures towing here in the southwest. With 120 degree OAT's my engine operating temp will get close to 220 degrees at times. I am a firm believer in the synthetics at this range...



With all of that said, I will have a oil analysis done at 5,000 miles on the Mobil 1, change the filter and add 1 quart make-up. Run that to 10,000 and see what happens...



If I find that the oil analysis numbers start to diverge in the wrong way, I will flush the engine and switch back to the Dello.



Cheers, Bill

 

[HMistica]

Think I will save my money and stick to Delo 400. I checked at all the Walmarts in my area and there's no Mobil 1 Truck and SUV anymore. It's either Delo or find another Group 4 sythetic oil which you usually have to order and pay shipping for.

 

[LightmanE300]

I've used both Delvac 1 and M1 T&SUV and have gotten the same oil analysis results. I've also seen the virgin oil analysis reports - they are nearly identical in every report. Bottom line is I wouldn't worry about running it. Some walmarts have it - I happened to pick up 7 five-quart jugs this morning.