Deposit on G56 Dually, 48RE Junk in Mine

[JCBerry]

Going back to dealer today for the 5th repair attempt.

How many times did it take before they had to do something.

Zone rep already looked at truck after 3 repair attempts said it was going in lockup at 35 MPH. NOT

Had trans solenoid code they did converter & pump last time, their first real attmept to fix it.

Attempt 1 They Rotated tire for Vibe. said transmission was fine and poor mileage due to lack of miles, no answer for check engine light, PO514 & P1740

Attempt 2 Checked driveshafts, reomoved exhaust hanger at trans & tested, no explaination for check engine light again, Same codes

Attempt 3 Trans is fine shifts great after they had 3 days, same codes, change batt temp sensor.

Attempt 4 Drove with rep my truck and new with same driveline, New 1 ran 4-500 RPM less and no RPM raise or drop with throttle, Check engine again P1740, now they said they found a code for trans, changed pump and converter

In the following 1300 miles the converter locked 4 times.

 

[JACummins2500]

1st no not trying to compare 1/2 ton to 1 ton but if Nissan or Toy ever offered a 1 ton with a cummins it would never break they have reliability and customer satisfaction figured out thats why the resale on most foreign cars is so high.

Oh please! Have you looked at Nissan's quality numbers? Nissan is lower than any of the big three. The Titan in particular has been a POS. Plenty of overheating sludged up Camry’s out there as well. The biggest difference is the bias press. Since TOYoda and Nissan don't build anything as large, it's pretty hard to say how they might hold up.



When it is all said and done, I rarely see a 10 year old Japanese truck on the road. Twenty year old Fords, Chevy's and Dodge's aren't much of a novelty.

 

[JCBerry]

All manufaturers have their poor examples of vehicles. I currently own a 20 year old nissan truck. I use it for hunting as I dont care if it gets scratched, I beat the crap out of it and its still going strong. My neighbor has a 20 year old Toyota Truck 295K miles still going strong, No significant rust on either vehicle. At any rate they dont make a 1 ton so it doesnt matter.

I drove the G56 equiped truck yesterday. Nice truck. Would have prefered the truck trans but this one seems OK. Only time will tell on the G56.

Trying to get the dealer to give me a better deal on trade.

My truck is in service Dept now, we'll see if the can actually fix it this time, although I've lost confidence in this truck at this point. Chrysler has the factory involved they say, We'll see.

By the way they told me yesterday Daimler was selling Chrysler and Toyota was looking to buy, What will that do to the HD trucks we all love?

 

[klenger]

By the way they told me yesterday Daimler was selling Chrysler and Toyota was looking to buy,

... and Ford owns Cummins.

 

[BHolm]

Daimler can't afford to sell Chrysler, it is the only thing making money right now. Mercedes is eating it hard due to warranty claims for its currently poor quality products.

 

[GWoody]

I bought my first automatic a little over a year ago and I can't say I was ever dissapointed with the performance of the transmission. Due to some power upgrades that I have made to the truck I knew that the transmission had become the weak link, so I shopped around and went with a full billet DTT, 89% convertor. All I can say is, Holy Cow, this thing is awsome pulling a load, shifts are quick, crisp and firm, never feels like it's hunting a gear. I don't think you would be dissapointed in a built DTT.

 

[cowboydoc]

Usually I don't like the automatics either. But a need for one the last few years due to my wife not willing to drive a stick has put me in them. I had the Ford the last few years and I hated the way that thing shifted. The five speed auto would downshift on the smallest hills in cruise. Out of cruise you could baby it and lose a little speed and not have it downshift. But when you drive thousands of miles to rodeos like we do every month that gets a little hard on the leg and back.



When the Ford started breaking down more than it ran we went to the Dodge. It killed me to buy the automatic but I did for the wife as I knew if I got the stick it would be all me driving. To my surprise, and maybe I just got a good one, but that thing will hardly ever shift down. We run 70-80 down the highway with a 36' living quarters grossing about 25k. I have been very happy with the auto in this thing so far.

 

[JStraw]

JCBerry, If it was my truck doing that I'd run the **** out of it until something broke (assuming its still under warranty). Intermittant problems are the hardest to solve. Then they'd have to reimburse for lodging etc.

 

[JCBerry]

Truck has 11K on it. Just heard from service manager and they finally noticed / admitted the converter doesn't lock, but didn't feel Vibe. Guess they don't have any feeling in their ***. Anyway 6 spd didn't have any vibe and rides nice. Wife says it's gotta go, neither of us trust it or the repairs done to it. Can't afford to have it crap out with the whole family in it. Little kids don't like to be trapped in a vehicle anyways. Does anyone know if youn can go after them if the truck is gone? I would think no but at least they finally admitted it's not right. Thanks for all the input.

 

[JACummins2500]

All manufaturers have their poor examples of vehicles. I currently own a 20 year old nissan truck. I use it for hunting as I dont care if it gets scratched, I beat the crap out of it and its still going strong. My neighbor has a 20 year old Toyota Truck 295K miles still going strong, No significant rust on either vehicle. At any rate they dont make a 1 ton so it doesnt matter.

I drove the G56 equiped truck yesterday. Nice truck. Would have prefered the truck trans but this one seems OK. Only time will tell on the G56.

Trying to get the dealer to give me a better deal on trade.

My truck is in service Dept now, we'll see if the can actually fix it this time, although I've lost confidence in this truck at this point. Chrysler has the factory involved they say, We'll see.

By the way they told me yesterday Daimler was selling Chrysler and Toyota was looking to buy, What will that do to the HD trucks we all love?

Who's "they"?



Frankly, Chrysler is the only one of the big three that is gaining share right now.



You can always find exceptions to the rule. However, it is rare to find any Nissan truck over eight years old because as a rule, the frame rust through and the vehicle must be condemned. This is at least in Western NY, where if driven on State highways in the winter, you get an salt bath all winter long. The big three trucks get the same "treatment" and yet do not have the same issue(s).



As previously stated, their quality numbers trail the big three and yet everyone talks about how they surpass the big three. Even Motor Trend listed three things, one yet un-repaired, in their "long term Titan". The same issue listed no defects in their 300C.



No one ever talks about defects in a Toyota. Yet even J. D. Power reports 107 per 100 vehicles built. Someone has a defect! You would never know it from talking with Toyota owners. Since no one (or nearly no one) who owns a Toyota can admit to a defect, all of the rest of their "trouble free" party line crap is suspect. A feeling that is proven when I hear about what my brother in law has to have fixed on his “trouble free” Toyota's.

 

[gsbrockman]

Toy ever offered a 1 ton with a cummins it would never break they have reliability and customer satisfaction figured out thats why the resale on most foreign cars is so high.

Reality Check ! :-laf



I work at an independent tire store & repair shop in Lexington, KY..... Nissans & Toyotas break down also. Try convincing a customer to spend over $400+ for a power window regulator on their "defect-free" Toyota Camry with only 60k miles on the clock. And what about the "recall" concerning Toyota's Tundra-Sequoia and Tacoma-4*Runner for their front end parts problems ? Re-sale on Camry's in my neck of the woods is a joke... . They're built in Georgetown, KY. , everyone leases one to keep up with the Jones', and the market is flooded with them. You can pick them up for a little of nothing nearby. People can really get a sense of how big a bath they're taking when comparing used to new in this area. Any properly maintained American made big-three car company can give you 200k+ out of an engine & transmission, all without the foreign car "30k--60k--90k--120k--150k--etc. " routine butt-wiping at the dealership..... I owned a 1987 Dodge Omni and sold it with 347k on the clock.

Greg

 

[FATCAT]

Truck has 11K on it. Just heard from service manager and they finally noticed / admitted the converter doesn't lock, but didn't feel Vibe. Guess they don't have any feeling in their a**. Anyway 6 spd didn't have any vibe and rides nice. Wife says it's gotta go, neither of us trust it or the repairs done to it. Can't afford to have it crap out with the whole family in it. Little kids don't like to be trapped in a vehicle anyways. Does anyone know if youn can go after them if the truck is gone? I would think no but at least they finally admitted it's not right. Thanks for all the input.

JC, if Great Road finally admits that there is a problem and you have been back there many times to fix the problem ... I think you have a Lemmon-Law case. Request the paperwork, then contact DC. I would also try not to do any more business with Great Road. I got my old beater at Foss Motors in Exeter NH and they have always been very good. Their top diesel machanic is very good and WILL fix problems when they occure.

Anyway, don't just take it in the shorts on the loss of $$$ in a trade for the new '05. Make sure DC and Great Road know of this persistant problem and document all the "repair" attempts that have been made and the machanic's notes.



Best of luck to you.

 

[RJOL]

Usually I don't like the automatics either. But a need for one the last few years due to my wife not willing to drive a stick has put me in them.

Had my 2001 for almost 5 years and my wife put exactly "0" miles on it. I bought her a Toyota so she doesn't have to drive my truck...

 

[Tim]

Reality Check ! :-laf



I work at an independent tire store & repair shop in Lexington, KY..... Nissans & Toyotas break down also. Try convincing a customer to spend over $400+ for a power window regulator on their "defect-free" Toyota Camry with only 60k miles on the clock. And what about the "recall" concerning Toyota's Tundra-Sequoia and Tacoma-4*Runner for their front end parts problems ? Re-sale on Camry's in my neck of the woods is a joke... . They're built in Georgetown, KY. , everyone leases one to keep up with the Jones', and the market is flooded with them. You can pick them up for a little of nothing nearby. People can really get a sense of how big a bath they're taking when comparing used to new in this area. Any properly maintained American made big-three car company can give you 200k+ out of an engine & transmission, all without the foreign car "30k--60k--90k--120k--150k--etc. " routine butt-wiping at the dealership..... I owned a 1987 Dodge Omni and sold it with 347k on the clock.

Greg

Thank you. Having sold auto parts and worked in shops for years, I couldn't agree more. Imports are more expensive to buy, maintain, and repair, and don't last any longer than any other car. That's why I can't understand why ANYONE would buy one.

 

[FATCAT]

Thank you. Having sold auto parts and worked in shops for years, I couldn't agree more. Imports are more expensive to buy, maintain, and repair, and don't last any longer than any other car. That's why I can't understand why ANYONE would buy one.

Well, if the "American" car companies would make small 5 or 6 speed manual diesels I'd look at one. And if "American" companies made an AWD 5 or 6 speed manual like the Subaru Outback we'd look at one. My wife will drive nothing else but a manual ... Americans have become so lazy that manuals are only found in trucks ... so what else is there left for us to look at?

 

[JCBerry]

I agree the foreign cars are more expensive to repair, although they seem to have less drivetrain issues IMO. I have turned wrenches for years and in our area the vehicles do seem to do better. Not trying to start a war just what I've seen, Maybe the vehicles like New England I don't know. I agree about the domestic manufacturers not offering manuals in cars. Americans have gotten lazy and all want autos, used to be it was an order only option. Most cars and trucks came from factory with sticks. Anyways we both drove the G56 equipped truck yesterday for over 100 miles and both like it, just don't like the beating. Looks like we'll get the truck and not go back to this dealer again. Probably going to pursue the case in civil court, because can't with lemon law if its traded. Its now 21 days out of service and I still don't have the truck back. I am going to call Chrysler 1 more time to see if they'll step up to the plate and make this situation right, I'm not very optimistic they will.

Time to trade in and move on. I would pursue with the lemon law but with the warrantee going to 3/36 in 06 I want the additional coverage, and a truck I can use.

 

[robert4570]

FATCAT

"Americans have become so lazy that manuals are only found in trucks ... so what else is there left for us to look at?"



Easy with the insults there ,FATCAT.

We just have a better standard of living thats all and are able to choose what we want to drive, nothing wrong with that.

 

[JCBerry]

THATS IT. I picked up my truck and the converter still has no lockup, it also slips while accelerating and they still didn't address the other problems with the truck. I've traded it in on a G56 Dually QC laramie. I took a beating and I'm going after Chrysler in civil court if they don't step up to the plate on their own. I spent over an hour on the phone with customer care and they claim they have pushed it to the next level ( buyback or whatever - Her Exact Words) Told them I have been through enough and need the truck, it's now been out of service a total of 5 weeks including weekends and still not fixed. Guess we'll see what happens I'll keep you all posted. At least now I can use my truck. Thanks for all the input

 

[JCBerry]

Picked up the new truck last night. Its getting 5 MPG better with 100 miles on it and actually has all gears working, No Torque Converter Problems On This 1. So far I love the new truck. After getting back my truck Monday night the torque converter still has no lockup and on the way to work the trans was slipping in 1st & 2nd, On the was to dealer to drop off old one the trans temp light came on, Its their problem now. Going to keep track of it so someone else doesn't get ripped off, Hopefully Chrysler will take it from dealer.



04. 5 3500 4X4 48RE Dually QC Laramie Black --- GONE

05 3500 4X4 G56 Dually QC Laramie Black --- Oo. Oo. Oo.