detailing new "600"

[moel]

would like comments reguarding Diamond Seal w/teflon(made by 5 Star?) for application over my Deep Molton Pearl paint

and also touch up paint for rock ships by paintscratch.com

 

[DF5152]

never heard of it and i consider myself a good detailer, a legend in my own mind.

 

[CAgnoli]

I bought the 5 star shine stuff and tried it on my truck. Supposedly the truck stays slick on the surface for an extended period of time. All LIES. I spent an entire day washing my truck the three required times to apply the stuff, then waxing it with this solution they give you, and at first, I was impressed. I couldn't get anything to stay on the hood of the truck, everything slid off immediately, however, after just one week of regular driving, and run through a car wash with no wax applied, it no longer has the property, and the truck is filthy. I'd stay away if I were you.



I'm sending them an email complaint tonight, as 69 bucks wasn't justified.

 

[crobertson1]

Exactly. All that "perma shine" or whatever they call their particular brand, is all the same. It doesn't last. Get a quality wax and apply it yourself and save some bucks. I just did mine yesterday. It's a lot of work, but worth it to me, because I don't like someone else touching my truck. Some people think I'm obsessive compulsive. Yeah, so?

 

[DF5152]

one word ZAINO

 

[GTani]

I agree,Zaino.

 

[jchapin]

Good detailing forum at:

www.autopia.org



Seems like the best amataur way to go is a coat or two with an acryllic wax (found off the shelf), let it cure for a couple days, then finish off with a carnuba wax for deep glow.



The acryllics last a few-several months on average and the the carnuba is a couple months.



Doesn't take too long to maintain and it's good to inspect your trucks exterior every month or so anyway

 

[DBazley]

The most protective and longest lasting paint protection products are usually described as : Polymer "Teflon" Finish Guard enhancers. They are synthetic in their formulation, so they withstand conditions that kill waxes: higher heat conditions, abrasive dust and moisture. Waxes last maybe 4 to 6 weeks, max under these conditions. Polymer Synthetic Finish Guards on the other hand, go about 10 to 18 months, way, way longer, due to their stronger film properties.



Car dealers sell a 'dealer only' applied product called "Perma Plate" for upwards of $ 400 per car.



You can get the same exact results in a DIY kit that will do our trucks about 10 times for $ 50, called "The Perma Shield System," @ www.PermaShield.net.



Disclosure: I'm the manager for Perma Shield company - I own a CTD Ram and stumbled upon this thread. The products are unconditionally guaranteed to perform as promised - you'll tell your buddies - most of our sales are person to person referrals - we've been manufacturing this for 15 years... .



Best Regards, David B.

 

[JasonBrown]

Our local car-brite distributor will sell to individuals. Everything they make is top notch. I use a particular wax from them, don't recall the name off the top of my head, but it really lasts a long time. It is a mother to get off, but it's worth it. I will get it and update this thread tomorrow.

 

[DBazley]

Our local car-brite distributor will sell to individuals. Everything they make is top notch. I use a particular wax from them, don't recall the name off the top of my head, but it really lasts a long time. It is a mother to get off, but it's worth it. I will get it and update this thread tomorrow.

Interesting. So it's a local firm that applies a sealant product, but sells that same product to individuals ?



Most companies that sell the application process don't also sell the products - it hurts their ability to sell their high priced 'professionally applied' service.



I recall Perma Plate will sell to individuals if you prove you are the original owner of the car that originally bought the Perma Plate application when the vehicle was new. They still get around $ 70 for a 2-3 car size re-do package - a good deal if you compare to $ 400 for the new car application price.



One reason Perma Shield does more applications for a lower price is that we provide it to the RV and aircraft industries - which require larger amounts of product to cover them. You'd go broke trying to buy Perma Plate in quantities large enough to cover say a 40' RV, plane, or the like.



Jason, if the Car Brite product is truly a polymer finish, a synthetic finish guard (as ours is), removal shouldn't be difficult at all...



The tech explanation is that the Polymers that give the finish it's long term protection are also highly 'lubricating' -they slip so well, that the wiping off process is vastly easier vs wax. It's waxes that cling like a bugger upon wiping, then are short lived as heat, dust & moisture remove them quickly.



Picture how quickly a wax candle melts & evaporates under it's own flame - then picture that the waxes we spend so much time applying to our trucks have the same weakness when subject to the sun's heat.



Much of this is explained at www.PermaShield.net... .



Take Care, David B.

 

[MLimpert]

Zaino is mighty fine stuff if you want to do it right. My second favorite right now is the meguiars NXT. It gives almost the shine of the Zaino with less work.



I did mine with the NXT last night and followed up with a coat of Zaino Z-8 and it looks fantastic.

 

[JasonBrown]

Interesting. So it's a local firm that applies a sealant product, but sells that same product to individuals ?



Most companies that sell the application process don't also sell the products - it hurts their ability to sell their high priced 'professionally applied' service.



They don't do any application. Car-brite is a product that is sold to professional detail shops, dealers, etc... If you are in the business I am suprised you never heard of it. Check it out www.carbrite.com

 

[DBazley]

Help with answers & something to chew on....

Jason, thanks for the link - I visited their site. I saw they offer a 'paint sealant' product - wonder what they get for it...



The car brite products look very good - they're based in Indiana - we're in So California, ergo I had not heard of them.



What we do is quite different. From what I gather from their website, they supply detailers with a whole line of products - broad product line - soaps, compound, towels & waxes. Their scope is broad, ours is focused.



We specialize in a particular type of product that we believe is the best of it's type, both value & performance wise.



I first found this thread & answered because the thread starter and another post mentioned something I could address.



We sell direct to end-users, with some resellers taking part. Our products are frequently demonstrated at live shows - repeatedly year after year, so buyers can return or send friends.



We don't try to provide every minute detailing supply, but intend to be an alternative to either overmarketed, underperforming waxes (sold everywhere... . ), or Top Quality dealer applied sealant packages (Perma Plate, for example) - which do give top notch protection, but their $ 300 + tag per vehicle makes them unavailable to most vehicle owners or impractical for use on larger vehicles like RV's & planes.



Obviously, the factor that makes us buy any particular product is that we become convinced of the logic of it's benefits or someone we trust gives testimony of it: word of mouth -because we can't verify every claim we hear.



If I could comment on a few comments above:



Moel (thread started) asked:



"would like comments reguarding Diamond Seal w/teflon(made by 5 Star?) for application over my Deep Molton Pearl paint"



It sounds like a synthetic polymer finish, which should outlast waxes greatly. Without a more specific reference, it's hard to say - do they sell to you, or apply for you then provide a warranty & re-application process ? Cost ?



I've seen three categories of this type of Polymer Finish product:



1) Dealer applied only, $ 300 +. NOT sold to individuals: www.PermaPlate.com is a good example



2) Sold to user for single car usage, $ 69 per car kit price: www.5StarShine.com is an example of this



3) Sold to users for multiple vehicles: $ 45 kit price covers 8-10 full size trucks / SUV's: Example: Our company: www.PermaShield.net



I think our approach, # 3, makes it practical & affordable - you don't have to pay for multiple $ 69 kits if you want to do your Ram Truck, shell & camper, too - in fact our $ 45 quart kit should protect & maintain a set up like that 4-5 times... lasting a year each time.



CAgnoli: you should send that email or call them - It's possible you need a modified technique on using their products - perhaps for your rig, you used the wrong approach. I'm sure they'd rather either help you get a better result, or refund your money - in either case you & they will profit greater than just criticizing them in a public forum - which may make you feel better, but won't help you or them.



Crobertson said:



"Exactly. All that "perma shine" or whatever they call their particular brand, is all the same. It doesn't last. Get a quality wax and apply it yourself and save some bucks... . "



Really ? If it's 'all the same' why choose anything ? Does that apply to your chosen product ?

Be a diligent critic - specifics, please. If you've done extensive research than concludes that 'its all the same' - do tell.



In fact, it's waxes that 'don't last' (a few weeks at best), so using that clairification, your comment would read: 'those things that are all the same, they don't last', so use a good wax, which doesn't last, either'. HUH ?



Fact is, Mequiars or Mothers Carnauba Gold are better than Turtle Wax. Isn't Dodge better than Chevy or Ford ? (we think so, anyhow... . ) And isn't it possible a smaller company of whom you are unaware has something better yet ?



Come to think of it, isn't the point of these forums pretty much the opposite of that, that not only are things NEVER 'all the same' but that they're so different that we need lots of help & reflection from each other so we can clearly comprehend WHAT exactly are the differences in say, engine accessories, exhaust systems, supensions and maybe even the stuff we wipe on our beloved Ram trucks ? Oo.



Hope you got the humor there - not trying to offend - just using GK Chesterton's timeless technique -"illustrate absurdity, by being absurd".



I was hoping to answer a good question or two on Finish Care issues - I've been at this nearly 20 years - and have some fun, too.



Happy Dodging & Polishing... .



David B.