Here I am

Diesel Fuel Additives

Attention: TDR Forum Junkies
To the point: Click this link and check out the Front Page News story(ies) where we are tracking the introduction of the 2025 Ram HD trucks.

Thanks, TDR Staff

BioDiesel in a 6.7

SVO/WVO kit reviews...

that was a very interesting read. my favorite was just shy of the 460 standard. seems 2% bio fuel makes a huge difference. maybe ill go get some cooking oil and add a little in at least every once in a while



I'm not sure it works that easy? Not knowing the processing of vegetable oil for fuel, may cause problems. Some reading on the subject may be necessary or everybody would be raiding restaurant waste fry oil and filtering it with a sock:D. , for fuel! GregH
 
I'm not sure it works that easy? Not knowing the processing of vegetable oil for fuel, may cause problems. Some reading on the subject may be necessary or everybody would be raiding restaurant waste fry oil and filtering it with a sock:D. , for fuel! GregH



there is not a whole lot to processing wvo for fuel, the reason it has not caught on much is cost of initial setup, cost of outfitting truck for proper function in cold weather, and the time invested in getting the oil from the resturant and processing it. also, depending on what method you use for processing, some chemicals that are added do not do well inside the fuel system and make some people uneasy about using it.



waste veggie oil, needs to be filtered so that the garbage does not get caught in the filter and plug it. other additives remove water, and some help with gelling and fuel stabilization. i think straight veggie oil from the grocery store would burn just fine. in small amounts (2% or less) and warm ambient temps, i dont think there would be a problem. i am thinking of adding less than . 5% per tank by volume. such a finite amount will increase lubricity, though not to the level that the test showed, and will not harm the fuel system. in support of my theory, i saw a documentary once on a care designed by volvo to get 100 mpg, it was a small 3 cylinder n/a diesel engine, they used pure corn oil from the grocery store put straight into the tank. i cant remember the source of the information or who did the documentary, so there could be some tricks of the camera involved. they did show however the driver going to the grocery store, buying some supplies and mazola corn oil, going out to the care, and putting it right in the tank. he then loaded is other items and drove off. i think that the same concept will work in my trucks as well.



i am wanting to try this route for several reasons. one, i have a truck with a sticky injector that has not failed yet but threatens to. two, all three trucks i have in operation are pre emmissions trucks that should handle biofuel just fine, two of which are driven by my parents and they will not take the time to propperly add fuel additive to every tank. if i use soy bean oil or peanut oil meant for cooking, i will be starting with a pure and clean oil. this can be put into bottles that will treat the total volume of the tank at every fill up, over time the % of biofuel will build up in the tank. i have two options for this, they can either skip one tank in every so many, or do nothing at all, the amount of biodiesel can never rise to 100% this way. i wont know for sure but eventually the % of biofuel would reach a peak of maybe 10 or 15%. the slow incremental increase of oil will not shock the system and cause problems, with the oil staying fresh from constant use and replenishment the oil will not degrade, the low percentage should not cause starting problems in cold weather, and the constant circulation will keep the water out of the system. the last thing is, with the low volume introduced at each fill up i can keep the cost down.



i am implementing this within the week, if you are interested i can give you some feedback on what we are seeing in a month. by then i will have some really solid data on how it is working.
 
Sounds good. I dont know about the use. Cant take the chance, up here, this time of the year. It was 11*F this AM and the Cummins started fine. Wasnt plugged in.

I do know one thing that may be of interest? Peanut oil has a very high flash point. If I remember correctly, it is in the neighborhood of 800*F. . We used that oil as a quench for heat treating small parts. It would smoke like crazy but never ignite. Dont know if that would cause a problem in a Diesel at high ignition pressure and temperature, with a low mix ratio? Greg
 
I think it will be ok, Rudolf diesel originally designed his engine to run on peanut oil and biomass fuel in general. His theory was that farmers could grow their own sustainable fuel. Also he wanted to create an engine that was more thermally efficient. The reason we run fossil fuel is because at the time the refiners had a left over by product from refining crude oil, that worked in rudolfs design. So they called the fuel diesel since it was burned in Diesel's engine. As for temp problems I don't think it will be an issue at low concentrations, but I understand not risking it. We are dipping into the 30's here so I can give you an idea in a month or so
 
Last edited:
Fuel Properties of Various Oils and Fats -- SVO: Powering Your Vehicle with Straight Vegetable Oil

Fuel efficiency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

G1990 Biodiesel Fuels | University of Missouri Extension

Liquids and Fluids - Specific Gravities - SG



did a little research, could not find much on peanut oil, and as one might guess the numbers varied from site to site. so here is what i hypothesize, peanut oil judging by comparisson has a low cetane number, something around 30. that is a little low for most direct injected engines, caterpillar and i think cummins too specs 35 to 40 cetane. the low cetane will delay ignition if used as straight oil. mixed with diesel fuel at less than 5% i dont think there will be any issue with this. it might raise egts though, if the peanut oil ignits later it will still be burning as it leaves the exhaust. in performance application it might actually be a benifit, keep the temps up and spinning the turbo faster.



i could not find the btu content of peanut oil but im thinking it is right around 130k btus per gallon. that is about 10k fewer btus per gallon than diesel fuel. again at low concentrations i dont think it will cause many problems with fuel mileage. especially since many people on here report that even with b100 they get the same or better mileage. i do know some get worse, so it could affect it. the flash point of peanut oil is 450(it does seem to vary some depending on processing and the source of information) thats just slightly above diesels auto ignition point. there is a crucial difference between the two terms. auto ignition is the temp and which a fuel will ignite from ambient heat, flash point is the tempurature a fuel will ignite at with a spark or flame. with diesel auto ignition at about 410 degrees f, it will light and very quickly the peanut oil will ignite.



the nice thing about peanut oil is they have roughly the same specific gravity, and the same weight per pound. so mixing them should not have any problems as far as settling out from each other. once they are mixed it will stay suspened. this i really like because if the fuel starts to cloud or gel it will only be a small amount, in theory it will be a small enough amount not to plug the filter. allowing the engine to run and warm up, heating the filter and eliminating the problem.



in 35 gallons . 5% is 22oz per tank. looking on the internet, one gallon of oil is 27. 99 a gallon, call it 30. thats $. 23 per gallon, and 5. 06 per tank. 400 miles on a tank, thats $. 01 per mile increase. at that cost i can go a long ways before i reach the cost of one injector. im going to try it and see what happens. with a 97 cummins, a 99 powerstroke, and an 06 cummins, i shouldnt have any issues. ill let you know how it goes.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Thanks for your research! I will be watching for your results! GregH



ended up using canola oil instead of peanut oil, i will post some interesting info about that later, just wanted to give a heads up that i fueled today and added a quart of the canola oil to the tank. i will have another truck starting on it tomorrow at a lower % level to start off with. the third truck will start whenever it fuels next.
 
FIL has an AUX fuel tank with gauge that quit working because of the sender. He added some Amalgamated and the sender started working. Must of cleaned something off.
 
bignasty, look at the thread i made about my head gasket r&r, ive been running injector cleaner for the last 10k miles, when i pulled the head off the cylinders looked to me very very clean. very light soot on the horizontal surfaces. it would not suprise me that if the sending unit was covered in grime of some kind a good fuel cleaner would clean it off and get it working again.
 
harman, give me a couple days and i will share the initial results of using canola oil. along with some reasonably solid facts that i found and my sources.



in about a month i will report back with more data on how it is going.



Thanks! Looking forward to your results. Presently "Ugly" is overfueled and without some fine tuning of the VE-pump, I doubt that the truck would ever pass an emissions test, down in town. We dont require it, up here, as yet!

Lubricity and low smoke as well as increased fuel mileage with quiet running are the goals.

While I would love to try the Amalgamated fuel additive. Holding me back from trying it is the large quantity and high shipping costs. I wonder if that additive is considered "hazardous" and requires an additional charge? I know that the old version Amsoil Diesel Fuel Modifier, was not considered "hazardous" and the freight was cheaper. However, Amsoil has changed its formulation and I have not purchased any since.

So far, for my application, Stanadyne(Central Motive Power, Denver) and Supertech 2 stroke oil(Walmart) have been the best combination fuel additive.

GregH
 
I can tell you that my truck no longer smokes. Some specs are #10 fuel plate slide full forward, light afc spring fully loosened, ddp stage 1 injectors, f. a. s. s. fuel pump and filters, stock turbo with 14cm housing, colt big stick cam, 4" straight pipe exhaust, some other mods but they don't affect smoke much if at all. My truck does not smoke at all now. Ill write more details later. But the smoke is gone.
 
ok so i have driven the truck aprox. 200 miles with canola oil in the tank. i put 1qt in my 35 gal tank. thats a ratio of 140:1(in fluid oz) which is . 7%.



what i have noticed is a slight drop in the sound level and a smoother idle, it does feel smoother throughout the rpm range but idle is often the most noticeable. truck seems to run a touch quieter than it did just yesterday morning. as i mentioned above the smoke is no existant. i have not done much with full power runs yet but hard accel shows a fast climb in egts, it seems to climb about as fast as before, but ill have more info later on that when i can test it more thoroughly. lastly, and this is tough for me to really verify as i have had too many mods done recently, but i seem to think there is more bottom end power with the canola. my suspicion is that the fuel injection pump is being much better lubricated now, requiring less h. p. to operate. in theory this works fine, but in reality i dont think it would be enough to notice, so it might just be in my head. it does seem to pull better at low rpm. im talking 1100 rpm range. i just dont feel it lugging like before.



what i did find on canola is the specific gravity is virtually identical to that of diesel fuel, so once it is mixed it wont seperate out even if the truck sits for some time. also canola oil has an affinity towards metal, in other words it likes to stick to metal parts. this is a huge benifit in lubricity, which is the whole point of my experiment. i found sources concerning btu content and cetane ratings but dont have them on this computer. however what the sources stated was a cetane rating in the mid to upper 30's which is ideal for a diesel, and the btu's were not all that much lower than diesel, so when mixing at low percentages even at higher levels it would not thin the fuel and lower the btu content, which would lower fuel mileage.



as the link i posted shows, it is being used in fuel additives for lubericity enhancement, i also found a plethora(sp?) of information regaurding canola oil as a biofuel. it seems that of all the available sources for biofuel, canola oil is one of the best prospects for many of the reason i just mentioned.



now my concerns, we are all aware that biofuels have a tendency to destroy rubber fuel lines. myself personally, i have a new torktech overflow valve that has a viton seal in it. torktech says not to run biofuel with it as the fuel will errod the seal and the ofv will not work propperly. i am going to email torktech here soon and ask if i should replace it with one of their ofv that is rated for biofuel. i am not greatly concerned that i need to replace it though as the percentage of bio is very low, same goes for the fuel lines, i dont think they are going to cause any issues. if the bio was at 5% i would be much more worried, i will be keeping an eye on the parts though for any signs of damage.



gharmen, as it stands right now, i think the canola oil will do quiet a lot in reguards to what your looking for. currently i am running the propper ration as per the manufacturer of fuel additive along with the canola oil. i think the two will work well together, the additive is biofuel compatible and so there should not be any issues with mixing them. you have concerns with gelling during cold temps. i dont think it is going to be a problem, where your at they run winterized fuel that will have anti-gelling additives, also the percentage of canola is very low, . 5 to 1%, you might try even 2% but i would not go higher than that. while using winter blends i would not be suprised to see your fuel mileage come up. summer blend fuel it would probably stay the same as before. the lower btu content of winter fuel would be raised by the canola oil. when i have time i will do some more searching on the subject and see what i find. currently i have to run, i will post more information as i have time.
 
In the 10 years I owned my 95 and the 7 years I've owned my current 05, I have never used fuel additives. For one, the Owners Manual says not to, For two, what good does it do? Until someone can show me some concrete proof that additives do any good, I will continue to not use any.



I've never had an engine problem with either truck, both of which I ordered new.
 
In the 10 years I owned my 95 and the 7 years I've owned my current 05, I have never used fuel additives. For one, the Owners Manual says not to, For two, what good does it do? Until someone can show me some concrete proof that additives do any good, I will continue to not use any.



I've never had an engine problem with either truck, both of which I ordered new.



I am not familiar with the differences between your Cummins and the 1st Gen fuel systems. However, all mechanical systems require lubricant. I have found that it works. Subjective? Yes! I am nobody and have no credentials. You do what is right for you!

GregH
 
bignasty, look at the thread i made about my head gasket r&r, ive been running injector cleaner for the last 10k miles, when i pulled the head off the cylinders looked to me very very clean. very light soot on the horizontal surfaces. it would not suprise me that if the sending unit was covered in grime of some kind a good fuel cleaner would clean it off and get it working again.



If your trying to sell me on the use of some kind of cleaner/ lube you dont have to im sold on the use of it have been for some time now. I tried different kinds but am sold on Amalgamated. My Son has used it for a long time also when he had new BIGGER injectors put in at Cummins shop some of the mechanics started to use it also. If others have not used it and have had luck not using it great but I just like to know that it's in there. The aux tank sender sends me a note IT WILL CLEAN. Working in the Gas Biz for so long Ive seen the NASTY crap that's in fuel tanks some care some dont. just a little side note not all gas passers (truck drivers) give a rat's A** about draining all the GAS from the load before.
 
Last edited:
In the 10 years I owned my 95 and the 7 years I've owned my current 05, I have never used fuel additives. For one, the Owners Manual says not to, For two, what good does it do? Until someone can show me some concrete proof that additives do any good, I will continue to not use any.



I've never had an engine problem with either truck, both of which I ordered new.



really i cannot provide any concrete proof that it is better. i would love to but i dont have the equipment to do that. as far as the owners manual and the manufacturer, i take their advice and generally throw it out the window. i have come across too many situations where the manufacurer or some other "authority" was wholy and completly wrong.



as for using a fuel additive, if you dont want to use it than dont. im not talking to you. im not saying you have to or even should use it. i am only relaying personal experience with the brands i have used and the results there of. i am also trying a new approach with pure canola oil as i have been posting about. again if you dont want to use it thats fine, gharmen has asked for me to post my reults, so i have, i have also provide some research information for his own veiwing so he can come to his own decision on it. the only reason why i am posting it vs sending him a pm or email is for the benifit of anyone else who might like to know the results. tdr is a public forum for sharing personal experiences and information reguarding our trucks. if you have had success by running nothing than keep doing it, if it aint broke dont fix it.



I am not familiar with the differences between your Cummins and the 1st Gen fuel systems. However, all mechanical systems require lubricant. I have found that it works. Subjective? Yes! I am nobody and have no credentials. You do what is right for you!

GregH



the major difference is the rotary pump on the 1st gen and the inline pump on the second gen. major difference between the two is the rotary is lube only by the fuel. in the inline pump the top half of the pump is lubed with fuel, and the bottom half is lubed by engine oil. as far lubrication goes, you are right all mechanical systems need lubrication from the fuel. i would also extend that to all diesel type fuel systems need lubrication, even the latest and greatest systems will benifit from increased lubrication. an old saying we had when i was in school was "everything goes together better with lube", there is a lot of truth to that. a general rule of thumb is you cannot have to much lubrication. there are exceptions to that, the first one that comes to mind is limited slip diffs, too much friction modifier and they stop working. there are others too but i cant think of them off the top of my head.



If your trying to sell me on the use of some kind of cleaner/ lube you dont have to im sold on the use of it have been for some time now. I tried different kinds but am sold on Amalgamated. My Son has used it for a long time also when he had new BIGGER injectors put in at Cummins shop some of the mechanics started to use it also. If others have not used it and have had luck not using it great but I just like to know that it's in there. The aux tank sender sends me a note IT WILL CLEAN. Working in the Gas Biz for so long Ive seen the NASTY crap that's in fuel tanks some care some dont. just a little side note not all gas passers (truck drivers) give a rat's A** about draining all the GAS from the load before.



honestly i am not trying to sell anyone on using brand A over brand B, and really im not even trying to sell anyone on using any brand at all. as i commented before your fuel sending unit example is indeed a sign that your brand of additive is at least cleaning the fuel system. is it doing anything else i have no idea, if you like it than stay with it. amalgamated looks to me like a company that knows what they are doing and sells a quality and effective product. i really like that it can be custom tailored to your specific needs.



as i already mentioned, these forums are for sharing information about what works and what doesnt. i mentioned that i personaly was going to try a percentage of biofuel as an additive for my truck, my reason being based on the results from a study posted by someone here. gharman kindly cautioned me about its use, it was informative and helpful. i did some digging and found some fairly solid info(it was internet and therefore cannot be trusted completly), i applied my knowledge and background to that information, and am now trying it out to see if my theory holds up to reality. i am posting this information specifically because ghaman said he was interested in the results, and in the spirit of tdr i am sharing them publicly for anyone else who might be interested. i am going to state at this point too, i am not posting absolute facts. i have no concrete proof as to what is happening. i am simply stating my observations, as thoroughly, honestly, and completly as possible. i am also not making any claims as to what i will do for someone elses truck, only what it is doing to mine and that it MIGHT do the same for someone else. the only credentials that i have to offer towards my testing is that i have been trained as a mechanic and worked professionally for 5 years, also i am studing for a b. a. in mechanical engineering.



ok my rant is over, now we can get back to the science.
 
If your trying to sell me on the use of some kind of cleaner/ lube you dont have to im sold on the use of it have been for some time now. I tried different kinds but am sold on Amalgamated. My Son has used it for a long time also when he had new BIGGER injectors put in at Cummins shop some of the mechanics started to use it also. If others have not used it and have had luck not using it great but I just like to know that it's in there. The aux tank sender sends me a note IT WILL CLEAN. Working in the Gas Biz for so long Ive seen the NASTY crap that's in fuel tanks some care some dont. just a little side note not all gas passers (truck drivers) give a rat's A** about draining all the GAS from the load before.



i think i need to appologize for my last post in requards to you. i just went back and reread this one and my post that you quoted. i read it with the wrong mindset and responded in appropriately. for that i am sorry, it was my mistake and i should have been more careful in reading it. i hope i have not offended you with this.



i do want to comment that i was not trying to sell you or anyone on using fuel additives, just merely pointing out that your comment was a good indication of something going on in the tank/fuel system that supports the claims of the various manufacturers. in hind sight it was rather like preaching to the choir and unnecessary. again i appologize for my mistake.
 
YOU SHOULD APPOLOGIZE BECAUSE I NEVERGET MAD AND SAY THINGS I SHOULDN'T :-laf:-laf:-lafSORRY :eek: Unlike some I wont even remember what was said in 5 min.
 
Back
Top