Diesel hits $2.57 @ Flying J - Port of Tacoma - I AM PI$$ED

[DKayser]

He (Shell franchise owner) said he wasn't sure when the refinery would be back up but it was the BC refineries charging (gouging) the consumer FWIW if you believe that.....





Clay

Is that the pot calling the kettle black? Here in the Nampa/Boise area, Shell is usually the highest priced fuel available. Diesel went up 50 cents a gallon during my last tankfull. Shortage? What a crock! When the price goes up, does that make it reproduce? We must deserve this, cuz we haven`t told them to shove it, or stopped buying it yet. $1. 99 to $2. 54. When it warms up, I`m riding the Harley more. DK

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Here's something that'll chap your hide:



Current National Average: $2. 158

Washington: $2. 669



Second place: $2. 633 = Oregon

Third Place: $2. 455 = California

 

[hammersley]

That's nothing.....

A station here in Camas, Washington - has Diesel for $2. 86!!!!!! That's right fun seekers - and just wait till that happens where you are - then you may sing a different tune... ...

 

[TSpecht]

The only different tune I need is to get more refineries open. That's right gang, the environmentalists are finally really putting the screwing to us... It's taken them years, but it's finally working...

 

[macdaddy]

Hey TS your right on the money I,ve been telling all the Washatonians and anybody else that will listen we need more refining capacity. I have to laugh when I hear that we should try a boycott as this would create higher prices due to the fact we would only catch up during the boycott, then be short again when everybody that participated went to fill up when they were out . Wait until this summer you will remember back to the good ol days of $2. 86 a gallon. Not to mention the price that ULSD Diesel will bring in 06.



Mac

ConocoPhillips Los Angeles

 

[IdaH.O.Train]

I'm more disappointed that California came in third on the nation's highest fuel price average. We gotta do something about that or we'll lose our status as the most screwed up state in the union. :-laf



But seriously, after reading that article that bajabill posted a link to, I was hopeful, because it talked about prices leveling off and possibly going down by a few cents. Saying how prices appeared to have crested and at least stabilized. They also indicated that for the next several weeks they expect prices to stay the same or drop, even if only minimally.



Then I looked at the date the article was published and noticed it was written on Feb 14th. The fact is, all diesel prices have done since then is go up substantially.

 

[AMink]

Oil hit $53/barrel yesterday :{ . I don't see prices going down anytime soon. If they do, it'll seem like a deal at $2. 50! I like how in the fall, they oxygenate gas-price goes up to cover that cost. Then in the spring, they unoxygentate it-price goes up to cover that cost! Just pick one and leave it there! That's one of the reasons I got a diesel. Now they're screwing us on that, too! #@$%! If we don't get more refining capacity, we're never going to see the end of it.

 

[DPinkston]

Wouldn't it be nice if we could charge our employers a "fuel surcharge" like UPS does? The only one getting screwed in this mess is the end consumer.

Danny

 

[JBlock]

It looks like the next big refineries will be built in the middle east. Yes, if the US won't build the capacity, the crude producer are going to step in and built their own to supply value add products. Now, won't that make the eviromental guys happy, and Washington and Orogon are a long way away. Actually not, as they won't be able to regulate the green house gas and other plant emmission. It is my boys 14 and 10 that I feel sorry for; they will be lucky to get to drive the trucks when they turn 16. .



Wait until 2012-2018 when the world oil production is expected to peaks. that as little as 8 years, maybe 12 years. Then prices will be driven by tighter supply and bigger demand. We need to open up Alaska now, it will take 5-10 years to get Alaskian Crude on line and then it be 10-15 year supply, yes will need a refinery to process it or we end up sending it to Japan like we do now.

 

[Grey Wolf]

There is more on the horizon... ..... http://bulktransporter.com/mag/transportation_ulsd_fuel_may/

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

A couple little tidbits regarding prices to think about:



China: Besides the economic boom there is a big push to phase out their steam locomotives which burn coal. Just guestimating I'd say about 20% of China's freight is moved by steam power. There goal is to replace all steam engines with diesels by 2008. Not that it'll make much of an impact but it means more diesel demand.

http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~menius/trains/china326.htm

http://home.c2i.net/schaefer/chinarail.html



USA: When gas goes up, people generally cut back on driving and demand falls, and prices fall. When diesel goes up the trucks and trains have to keep running to keep goods flowing, so higher prices doesn't cause a drop in deman like gasoline does.



One interesting note on Chinese steam power is one example is given of fuel costs to move X train X route. It costs 4560 Yuan for coal and 8800 Yuan for diesel to make the same trip. Costs almost double to use the diesels!



Vaughn

 

[ppfd]

Looks like gas may be catching up. Here in Point Pleasant, WV. Reg. unleaded is now $2. 05 and $2. 09. Drive across to Ohio and its at least a dime cheaper. WV. has some wonderful taxes.

 

[OCarney]

While delivering a travel trailer to Birmingham, Al. , on Monday, I noticed the price of reg. unleaded & diesel at the Flying J just north of B'ham... $1. 719 regular & $2. 059 for diesel. I know its not nearly as high as other places, but still 34 cents a gallon higher than regular is quite a bit.

 

[Graphic man]

you guys need to come to Canada Toronto



@the flying J we pay $2. 81 per us gal.

0. 74 a liter. there is 3. 8L per us gal.

and the "J" is the cheapest around by far

some other places it is around $3. 00 per us gal. :{

i think i am close on the conversion

 

[rbattelle]

Here's a link to an article that discusses current/future pricing. Of note:



"The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, which pumps about 40% of the world's oil, is concerned that rising inventories will lead to a decline in prices during the second quarter of the year... The higher than expected gain in crude oil inventories ensures that OPEC won't be increasing production when they meet. "



Just wait until every person in China owns an automobile.



-Ryan

 

[rbattelle]

Another good article.



-Ryan

 

[JBlock]

It a shortage of refinery capacity driving up the prices, The refiners have decide to make it a diesel and a heat oil shortage, the Northwest had a plant shutdown, either maintenance or a fire.



It read on another post the annual maintenance is usually schedule for February and March. February is a high price month historically.



The refiner are smart so they price diesel for the shortages, as trucker got move on it, and can't park their vehicles for a month.



Last US refinery was built over 30 years ago. Did I here someone say Green Rules, looks like China going to cars and were going to get the Bicycles in the long term. Just imagine as China becomes the number oil importer, they are already number 2, and India is not far behind. Whose standard of living is going down and who's is going up. Ours is down and theirs





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[RTuvell]

If you think the prices are bad now then you better not hold your breath because prices are expected to get much higher very soon:



"Report says pump prices could shoot up by about 25 cents a gallon in coming days to new record. "



Here's the link:



http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/04/news/economy/gas_prices/index.htm?cnn=yes

 

[Harley152]

Was $2. 77 yesturday where I usually fuel up---and I saw $2. 89 near silverdale also yesturday!!!!



Jerry

 

[BillZ]

Bio-Diesel

I thought I saw on the TV/News that the Governer of Washington is thinking of raising WA gas tax another 10 cents. Yikes!!!! That plus already rising prices could really slow down my travel plans!!!



Maybe it's time to look into Bio-Diesel.



Does anyone know if Bio-Diesel is available in the Seattle/Tacoma area?



And does anyone have experience using it?



Bill

Gig Harbor, WA