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Diesel Prices, here we go again
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For Sacramento/SF area drivers, the best price I have seen along I-80 is $2. 87 in Dixon (Dixon Ave exit). We are out of the heating oil production period. What is perverse is that California gas prices are averaging $3. 25.
Diesel is a relative bargain.
Diesel is a relative bargain.
amsoilman
Staff Alumni
Most Non-Oil Industry businesses asre being financially hurt by high energy prices. High energy (ie. ,Gasolene & Diesel) prices are a form of legal thievery! Private citizens, as consumers, have only a fixed amount of "spendable" income.
Consumers cannot increase their income just because they need to keep pace with the increased fuel costs. If part of consumers fixed, spendable income is used to pay for increased fuel costs, that money has to come from a corresponding decrease in money spent in other things-often other necessities.
That decrease in money spent on other things (other than fuel) is a corresponding decrease to all other businesses (other than the oil barons).
Part of the economy of our entire nation is being legally stolen by the oil Compnaies.
It is time for the business community to put a halt to the thievery before every small business is owned by the oil Companies and we are charged $5. 00/Gallon for Gasolene.
Consumers, as private citizens, are powerless to purswade the oil Companies to lower their prices , but an organized business community could force the oil barons to drasticly lower fuel prices.
Every item that we consume has an enrgy cost added into its retail price-even electricity, natural gas and water.
Increased wholesale costs eventually result in decreased income from customers because their amount of spendable income has decreased because of the increase in fuel costs!
Why can the oil barons and oil companies increase the prices? Simply because they can!!
Wayne
Consumers cannot increase their income just because they need to keep pace with the increased fuel costs. If part of consumers fixed, spendable income is used to pay for increased fuel costs, that money has to come from a corresponding decrease in money spent in other things-often other necessities.
That decrease in money spent on other things (other than fuel) is a corresponding decrease to all other businesses (other than the oil barons).
Part of the economy of our entire nation is being legally stolen by the oil Compnaies.
It is time for the business community to put a halt to the thievery before every small business is owned by the oil Companies and we are charged $5. 00/Gallon for Gasolene.
Consumers, as private citizens, are powerless to purswade the oil Companies to lower their prices , but an organized business community could force the oil barons to drasticly lower fuel prices.
Every item that we consume has an enrgy cost added into its retail price-even electricity, natural gas and water.
Increased wholesale costs eventually result in decreased income from customers because their amount of spendable income has decreased because of the increase in fuel costs!
Why can the oil barons and oil companies increase the prices? Simply because they can!!
Wayne
Whatever. What would your price be if you could build a widget for 50 cents. That every widget you made would sell as soon as it was built. There were also hundreds of other widget makers that had the same results. No matter what you charged you could sell them.
Lowering fuel usage would have an affect on fuel prices for sure. Drilling would make a slight difference but only slightly. We don't have the oil underground that some think we do. In Texas, the biggest contributor for oil in the US, 70 percent of the working rigs are stripper rigs providing little oil. The more productive rigs still fall well short of the Saudi 6000 barrels a day per rig.
Alternative energy, more efficient vehicles, more economical use of the fuels we have will have an affect. The growing world economy and the competition for the oil lessens the affect of our efficiency efforts but the less we spend on oil the better for the US in respect to selling in a world market.
I drive a 2500 and a Jetta TDI. When the 1/2 tons or smaller diesels come out I might change to a more efficient vehicle. Thats an option I have as I only pull a bass boat(the most efficient tournament boat around by far..... hint Allison w/Optimax). I don't know if its because I am cheap or I make my buying decisions on lowering fuel usage. Using less is more. Using more is less.
Lowering fuel usage would have an affect on fuel prices for sure. Drilling would make a slight difference but only slightly. We don't have the oil underground that some think we do. In Texas, the biggest contributor for oil in the US, 70 percent of the working rigs are stripper rigs providing little oil. The more productive rigs still fall well short of the Saudi 6000 barrels a day per rig.
Alternative energy, more efficient vehicles, more economical use of the fuels we have will have an affect. The growing world economy and the competition for the oil lessens the affect of our efficiency efforts but the less we spend on oil the better for the US in respect to selling in a world market.
I drive a 2500 and a Jetta TDI. When the 1/2 tons or smaller diesels come out I might change to a more efficient vehicle. Thats an option I have as I only pull a bass boat(the most efficient tournament boat around by far..... hint Allison w/Optimax). I don't know if its because I am cheap or I make my buying decisions on lowering fuel usage. Using less is more. Using more is less.
One way to get oil prices to fall would be to have every trucker in this country to stop delivering,from food to consumer products to fuel. If every trucker both indipendent,and bussines owned stopped delivering it would put this country in a tail spin. The economy would shut down,it would put all the fat cats at their knees,because they would feel the effects of food shortages and other consumerable items that we all use on a daily basis. There are some things money just cant buy!
What good is having loads of money if there is nothin to buy. Some of us that do not have the means to make more money to give to the big and powerful Oil companys are choosing between filling our tanks to go to work or feeing our families. Read this Mr Exxon Mobile!
What good is having loads of money if there is nothin to buy. Some of us that do not have the means to make more money to give to the big and powerful Oil companys are choosing between filling our tanks to go to work or feeing our families. Read this Mr Exxon Mobile!If everybody could get together and have a "no buy day" it would send huge message to the oil companies. I don't remember the exact figures, but it was on the order of 30 million in lost profits per oil company. The problem is most Americans are either too selfish or think they can't make a difference, then there's the "sheep" that can't think for themselves, so everytime this is presented nothing happens.
I already do my part for fuel efficiency, I need a truck for work and gassers just don't get the mileage diesels do. Once the 1/2 ton diesels come out I may look at getting one.
I already do my part for fuel efficiency, I need a truck for work and gassers just don't get the mileage diesels do. Once the 1/2 ton diesels come out I may look at getting one.
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I had the same thoughts, but seriously doubt the rest of the drivetrain would last... at least the 3/4 ton stuff is "heavy duty".
steved
I think you should all hear this!
I agree one hundred percent that Greed is at the forefront of the high cost of fuel. I don't think we use that much more gas during the summer anyway. If you drive 300 miles to a vacation spot and then drive ten miles a day to a restaurant or so each day for a week, then chances are you arent using any more gas than driving 30 miles a day to work and another 10 roundtrip to the store every other day. It's really downright insulting to the intelligence what excuses are used to gouge the public. I think that though the oil companies have large capital investment, it was probably thirty or forty years ago that any refineries of large size were built! So, other than ops and maintenance, it has been pure profit! The same with our decaying highway and waterways infrastructure, where has the money gone? The roads in NW florida are crap! They keep paving local roads floating on top of shifting sandy soils instead of doing things like the Romans did and dig down several feet and use clay, gravel, etc. to engineer REAL road beds. Did it cost more? YEP! but many roads built 2,000 years ago are STILL IN USE TODAY (Via Appia)! Our government no longer represents nor submits to the will of the people. That is the root of the problem. The fuel is taxed to death! We are taxed to death! Between incomes taxes and child support alone, I pay 48 percent of my income to the government and don't even need anyone to take care of my kid! I can do that myself! Then there is state and local sales tax, fuel tax, booze tax, registration fees for autos, boats, trailers, fishing licenses, business licenses, mandatory home owners insurance and flood, auto insurance, etc. Long story short, WE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PRICE OF FUEL BECAUSE SO MUCH OF OUR WAGES IS EXTORTED FROM US BY GOVERNMENT AND BIG BUSINESSES!!!! Furthermore, we cannot seem to see any real benefit of paying all of these fees, premiums, taxes, etc. THe U. S. got along just fine BEFORE the IRS was even created (along with the FED RESERVE) in 1913. Check out tax honesty .com adn you will see what I'm talking about. We pay interest on money we borrow for cars, homes, etc, to the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK. Problem is, the FED isn't federal. It isn't any more federal than FED EX. It is, has been, and always will be, privately owned. However, the U. S. Constitution, which our Prez has called "just a G___amn piece of paper!!!" gives the right to coin and print money to the Federal govt. Before 1913, the govt. printed it's own money inside the BANK OF THE UNITED STATES, in which the expense of doing so was paid for by taxes levied from CORPORATE profits, NOT OUR WAGES. In order for the U. S. to get money for operations, it withdrew it from the Bank of the U. S. , for free! SINCE 1913 the govt. has had to pay interest on money borrowed from the FED, a PRIVATE CORPORATION founded by the Rockefellars, Rothchilds, etc. , in order to function each day. WE PAY TAXES ON OUR WAGES THAT PAY ONLY THE INTEREST ON THE FEDERAL DEBT!!! That debt is owed mostly to the founding four families of the FED RESERVE. So, we pay 15-38 percent of our wages to a private corp that coins and prints money backed by nothing! The old system had every cent backed by gold and silver, which limited the max amount of money that could be coined and printed!NOw they just fire up the presses and basically COUNTERFEIT MONEY LEGALLY! In addition to the taxes we pay, we also pay about 30 percent over the sales price of a vehicle when we finance it to the banks in terms of real percentages, i. e. , if you buy a $15k car and the total of your payments over 60 months is $20k, then you have paid 33% more than the car sold for, that 33% going to the banks! That's usery! True "simple interest" would be taking a 15K dollar car and paying $1500 in interest divided by 5 years at 10% interest. THAt's not even mentioning what happens when we try and own a home! Ya buy a $150k home and pay a total of payments of $350K over 30 years? THAT'S 233% interest using the above standard! NO WONDER MOST OF HAVE SO LITTLE IF ANY NET WORTH! To sum up, this is why gas prices upset us so bad! We are getting robbed by a bogus agreement with the govt and a private corp!
I agree one hundred percent that Greed is at the forefront of the high cost of fuel. I don't think we use that much more gas during the summer anyway. If you drive 300 miles to a vacation spot and then drive ten miles a day to a restaurant or so each day for a week, then chances are you arent using any more gas than driving 30 miles a day to work and another 10 roundtrip to the store every other day. It's really downright insulting to the intelligence what excuses are used to gouge the public. I think that though the oil companies have large capital investment, it was probably thirty or forty years ago that any refineries of large size were built! So, other than ops and maintenance, it has been pure profit! The same with our decaying highway and waterways infrastructure, where has the money gone? The roads in NW florida are crap! They keep paving local roads floating on top of shifting sandy soils instead of doing things like the Romans did and dig down several feet and use clay, gravel, etc. to engineer REAL road beds. Did it cost more? YEP! but many roads built 2,000 years ago are STILL IN USE TODAY (Via Appia)! Our government no longer represents nor submits to the will of the people. That is the root of the problem. The fuel is taxed to death! We are taxed to death! Between incomes taxes and child support alone, I pay 48 percent of my income to the government and don't even need anyone to take care of my kid! I can do that myself! Then there is state and local sales tax, fuel tax, booze tax, registration fees for autos, boats, trailers, fishing licenses, business licenses, mandatory home owners insurance and flood, auto insurance, etc. Long story short, WE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PRICE OF FUEL BECAUSE SO MUCH OF OUR WAGES IS EXTORTED FROM US BY GOVERNMENT AND BIG BUSINESSES!!!! Furthermore, we cannot seem to see any real benefit of paying all of these fees, premiums, taxes, etc. THe U. S. got along just fine BEFORE the IRS was even created (along with the FED RESERVE) in 1913. Check out tax honesty .com adn you will see what I'm talking about. We pay interest on money we borrow for cars, homes, etc, to the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK. Problem is, the FED isn't federal. It isn't any more federal than FED EX. It is, has been, and always will be, privately owned. However, the U. S. Constitution, which our Prez has called "just a G___amn piece of paper!!!" gives the right to coin and print money to the Federal govt. Before 1913, the govt. printed it's own money inside the BANK OF THE UNITED STATES, in which the expense of doing so was paid for by taxes levied from CORPORATE profits, NOT OUR WAGES. In order for the U. S. to get money for operations, it withdrew it from the Bank of the U. S. , for free! SINCE 1913 the govt. has had to pay interest on money borrowed from the FED, a PRIVATE CORPORATION founded by the Rockefellars, Rothchilds, etc. , in order to function each day. WE PAY TAXES ON OUR WAGES THAT PAY ONLY THE INTEREST ON THE FEDERAL DEBT!!! That debt is owed mostly to the founding four families of the FED RESERVE. So, we pay 15-38 percent of our wages to a private corp that coins and prints money backed by nothing! The old system had every cent backed by gold and silver, which limited the max amount of money that could be coined and printed!NOw they just fire up the presses and basically COUNTERFEIT MONEY LEGALLY! In addition to the taxes we pay, we also pay about 30 percent over the sales price of a vehicle when we finance it to the banks in terms of real percentages, i. e. , if you buy a $15k car and the total of your payments over 60 months is $20k, then you have paid 33% more than the car sold for, that 33% going to the banks! That's usery! True "simple interest" would be taking a 15K dollar car and paying $1500 in interest divided by 5 years at 10% interest. THAt's not even mentioning what happens when we try and own a home! Ya buy a $150k home and pay a total of payments of $350K over 30 years? THAT'S 233% interest using the above standard! NO WONDER MOST OF HAVE SO LITTLE IF ANY NET WORTH! To sum up, this is why gas prices upset us so bad! We are getting robbed by a bogus agreement with the govt and a private corp!
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Of course it would have to be engineered for the engine, not just "stuck" in a stock 1/2 ton chassis, unless the power figures fall into the range for the chassis... but for how long?
A few months ago here in SE Idaho, when the price of Diesel was $2. 97-$2. 99/gal it was $. 40-$. 50 cents/gal greater than UL reg. gas.
Currently, the price of Diesel hasn’t changed, it is still $2. 97-$2. 99/gal, the price of gas went up! There is now only about $. 13 cents/gal differential! GO FIGURE!
Currently, the price of Diesel hasn’t changed, it is still $2. 97-$2. 99/gal, the price of gas went up! There is now only about $. 13 cents/gal differential! GO FIGURE!
amsoilman
Staff Alumni
Well, here in Roy Utah (just 40 miles North of Salt Lake City) Regular gasolene and Diesel is now the same price/ $299. 9 gallon.
Wayne
This proves that the Oil companies and Stations are gouging on diesel prices!!! Why is it the same as super one place and cheaper than regular in another? Greed!!! And what does this do to prices in general? Have you bought groceries lately? Consumer goods? Notice everything going up? Wonder why? Shipping costs!!! The U. S. infrastructure is 100% diesel, nothing is shipped in a gas powered vehicle! But it doesn't bother the big-oil exec's, they can afford the increases without worrying!
I just wonder where the riots are. Dont misunderstand me. I definitely believe in the capitalist system and a free market. But, there is no competition and no market here. Ive heard people say that the oil companies have every right to charge what they want. But not when gas/diesel/oil is as important to our way of life as it is. Sure, eventually there will be a substitute for oil But not on the horizen, certainly not in our lifetime (at least where it is cost effective)
The worst thing about this is that our government (both rep and dem) have allowed the oil companies to merge and eliminate competition. With that lack of market driven price control that our economic systems relies on, they not only have the power to "drill" us at the pump, they have unprecedented political power.
The worst thing about this is that our government (both rep and dem) have allowed the oil companies to merge and eliminate competition. With that lack of market driven price control that our economic systems relies on, they not only have the power to "drill" us at the pump, they have unprecedented political power.
Ive never been a fan of government regulation. Although in the case of energy companies, in this day and age, they need to be. And since the government allowed big oil to grow to the power that it has, maybe oil needs to be regulated as well. There are those that point out the unintended pitfalls of regulation. But, they could be handled if done right if the politicians had the balls and didnt give in to their buddies.
I think that Anything, if done to an extreme, will end up to be destructive (unbridled gas pricing, eating steak and ice cream, you can die from drinking too much water too fast)
You hear the argument that no new refineries have been built in the last 30 years. And that is a valid issue. However, the existing refineries have constantly expanded to accommodate demand. Except for possibly some down time because of hurricane Katrina, there hasnt been a gas shortage Anywhere. If someone wants gas, it is Always available. And they say that demand is increasing. So if the supply is meeting the increased demand, where is the extra oil coming from that they say we dont have ?
I think that Anything, if done to an extreme, will end up to be destructive (unbridled gas pricing, eating steak and ice cream, you can die from drinking too much water too fast)
You hear the argument that no new refineries have been built in the last 30 years. And that is a valid issue. However, the existing refineries have constantly expanded to accommodate demand. Except for possibly some down time because of hurricane Katrina, there hasnt been a gas shortage Anywhere. If someone wants gas, it is Always available. And they say that demand is increasing. So if the supply is meeting the increased demand, where is the extra oil coming from that they say we dont have ?
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