Diesel Saver and more.............. dieselxl

[DieselMinded]

http://www.dieselxl.com/



what do you guys think of this thing????



DM







60 Day Money Back Guarantee and a 100,000 mile warranty!

You will literally save thousands of dollars per year!



* Increase Horsepower - All tests vehicles have

reported improved hill climbing and towing capacity

* Operate at lower engine temperature - less cylinder

heat is required for total combustion

* Reduced engine knock - All tests vehicles reported a

smoother engine operation and that translates into

less maintenance

* Improved water separation and fungus inhibitor - even

vehicles with a fungus infection will see dramatic

improvement in any microbial infestation - both

bacterial and mold

* Extend the life of your fuel filter - our fuel conditioner

will reduce downtime and virtually eliminate fuel

starvation concerns

* Keep your fuel injectors, filters, and fuel lines cleaner

for longer

* Reduce particle matter (PM emissions) or "soot"

emissions - (The smoke limit is the fuel-air ratio at

which visible particulate emissions become excessive

and are no longer acceptable)

* Extend your diesel engine life by reducing the amount

of carbon build-up on the block and pistons

* The DieselXL also removes common "dirty" abrasives

from the fuel therefore further extending engine life

and reducing maintenance expense.

 

[DPelletier]

Looks like more snake-oil to me.



Dave

 

[DieselMinded]

Pretty detailed



http://www.dieselxl.com/science.htm



Makes sence ... . I Guess



Sounds Good



Dm

 

[Kennywould]

Pretty detailed



http://www.dieselxl.com/science.htm



Makes sence ... . I Guess



Sounds Good



Dm

Like to talk to a company that has used it for a year, where's their number?

 

[DPelletier]

Its an expensive fuel magnet with a wordy scientific sounding explanation, but it won't work any better than the little ones that clamp to the fuel line (which do squat). Don't waste your money. If you really want to increase your engines efficiency, go check your tire pressure.



Dave

 

[snowracer69]

Its an expensive fuel magnet with a wordy scientific sounding explanation, but it won't work any better than the little ones that clamp to the fuel line (which do squat). Don't waste your money. If you really want to increase your engines efficiency, go check your tire pressure.



Dave

Ditto. The second I clicked on the "science" link and the first sentence is " The magnetic treatment of fuel has been known in the patent record for a number of years to improve the combustion of fuel... " I laughed and said, yep, that's snake oil!

 

[DieselMinded]

I sent them an email and asked if I hooked up 2 in a row if Id save twice the Money .



Im not sure if Ill get a responce



:. >



DM

 

[rbattelle]

This is my opinion:



I believe it was in last month's Motor Trend there was a brief article on fuel savers like magnets. Like any good hoax, the idea has its roots in actual science. It seems there was a university some time ago that experimented with passing hydrocarbon fuels through a magnetic field. They had success at improving the fuel. Problem is, the strength of the magnetic field required to produce any improvement was so far from practical that it was deemed totally inappropriate for use. I mean the magnets had to be STRONG.



So, can a magnet break up hydrocarbon chains and improve fuel quality? Apparently, yes. Does anyone make a magnet powerful enough to do so? No.



So, in my opinion, the device (and pretty much every other fuel saving gimmick on the market) is complete baloney. Just my opinion.



-Ryan

 

[Badunit]

This is snake oil, as has been proven for similar devices in the past.



I'm trying to get some facts, just for the fun of it. I'm trying to find out what their "core patented technology" is but can't seem to track it down. To start with, I'm trying to find out who actually sells this thing. So far this is all I know:



DieselXL is not a trademarked business name (uspto.gov), though it may be a legitimate business name. However, the DieselXL web site is registered to REM Source, LLC (found using whois.com), not DieselXL, so, at best, DieselXL is a subsidiary for selling this one product. The phone number for REM Source, provided by Whois, is for a business named Hodges Warehouse (from a reverse lookup using Anywho.com). The contact person given for the web site has a Hodges email address as well. The address for Hodges Warehouse, from AnyWho, is the one on the DieselXL site. Hodges Warehouse is part of The Hodges Companies (Google search) and they are a contract packaging and warehouse company (www.hodgesco.com).



My guess is that Rem Source LLC is using a subsidiary for liability reasons - you can sue DieselXL and not get to the assets of the parent LLC. They may have a problem with that strategy, though, if it is REM Source that owns the web site - it is no longer an arms length transaction for them. They are probably using Hodges for two reasons - to take care of the warehousing, shipping, and handling and also to provide another layer between them and the general public. It is also possible that REM Source and Hodges are related.



I haven't found anything at USPTO about a patent but I'm still looking. I really would like to know what they have as their "core" technology. I'm also trying to find out who Dalupan is and what was actually "proven" in 1981.



Edit: Got a little more. REM SOURCE LLC is a legal business name, set up in Oklahoma by registering agent Kenneth L Brune who is a patent and trademark attorney at Brune and Neff Law Office in Tulsa. For $5 I could look into this LLC more deeply at the OK state web site but forget that.



Edit2: DieselXL does not show up in OK as a business name. It could be incorporated elsewhere but my guess is it's not an actual business name, just a front for REM Source.



I note that the "Science" page is subheadlined as "patented technology in research and development since 1996" but REM Source has only been in existence since 2003. A bit of a discrepency if you ask me.



Edit3: I found Dalupan. His name is Romulo Dalupan and is an inventor of a few things including a magnetic fuel treatment apparatus. His first patent on the subject was in 1981 in Canada. It's possible they use his technology for this product since they use his name in their literature. I'd doubt they'd use his name otherwise.



http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...o&OS=dalupan+AND+romulo&RS=dalupan+AND+romulo

 

[rbattelle]

I dug up the Motor Trend article I referred to earlier about the magnetic fuel saver. February 2005 issue, page 122, article by Frank Markus:



"... much like those magnets that clamp onto a fuel line to allegedly bust up clumps of loosely attracted hydrocarbon molecules for improved fuel atomization and, hence, provide cleaner, more efficient combustion. They're pure bunk, though the concept had a tenuous toehold in sound science. Researchers at Tulane University studied the phenomenon a decade ago, but concluded it was impractical to produce a strong enough magnetic field close enough to the injector to be effective. "



-Ryan

 

[DPelletier]

Thanks Ryan,

It would be interesting to know just how strong a magnetic field would be required and how strong a field is produced by these "devices". I suspect you'd have to have a field hundreds or thousands of times greater to do any good whatsoever.



Dave