Diesel secret energy .63 cents per gallon

[67guzzler]

Jericson-

Link no workie. Maybe I'll try again after work. Thanks for trying, though.

www.dieselsecrets.com

 

[mhenon]

I bet if you left out the DSE it would not make a least bit of difference

Bingo!. The guy's on the WVO site are using these same ratio's of WVO/Kero/regular gas in their engines. The DSE (whatever it is?) isn't really needed.

Mike

 

[JEricson]

the one i am using is a fleetguard fh23000-20. this model was discontinued by fleetguard because it does not have a thermostat. the good news is that you don't want a thermostat for WVO or a blend. I bought mine on ebay for $95. 00 (there are more listed now) also on www.fattywagons.com website for $100. 00. you will have to adapt the fittings from 1/2" to 3/8"



jim

 

[JEricson]

mike



which WVO site are you reffering to?



I agree. you can probably eliminate the DSE additive, but at a cost of . 15 cents per gallon i will continue to use it until someone convinces me that is doesn't do anything.



her are the ingredients listed on the lable. HEAVY AROMATIC NAPTHA, 2-ETHELHEXEL NITRATE, OLEAN DIETHANOLAMINE, DIETHELENE GLYCOL, MONOMETHL ETHER.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

the good news is that you don't want a thermostat for WVO or a blend.

Exactly Jim, you want it heating all the time.

you will have to adapt the fittings from 1/2" to 3/8"

Are you saying the heater uses 1/2" fittings? If so that would be perfect as I've changed my fuel lines to -8AN.



Vaughn

 

[JEricson]

vaughn



I have taken it a step further by installing a ball valve in the coolant line for the times that i might be running #2 diesel.

 

[mhenon]

mike



which WVO site are you reffering to?



I agree. you can probably eliminate the DSE additive, but at a cost of . 15 cents per gallon i will continue to use it until someone convinces me that is doesn't do anything.



her are the ingredients listed on the lable. HEAVY AROMATIC NAPTHA, 2-ETHELHEXEL NITRATE, OLEAN DIETHANOLAMINE, DIETHELENE GLYCOL, MONOMETHL ETHER.

This is the best web-site I've found for guy's experiementing with waste oils.

"http://biodiesel. infopop. cc/eve"

Sorry if this doesn't come out as a clickable link (can't seem to do that?).

Mike

 

[67guzzler]

This is the best web-site I've found for guy's experiementing with waste oils.

"http://biodiesel. infopop. cc/eve"

Sorry if this doesn't come out as a clickable link (can't seem to do that?).

Mike

Mike -- Type this when you want to make it a link:



[ u r l ]http://biodiesel. infopop. cc/eve[/ u r l]



Without the spaces when you type your message.

 

[EBottema]

Do you have to run this heater with the DSE ssetup? I am in California and it doesnt get too cold around here.



Can someone describe how they hooked this heater up in a 12v system?



thanks

erik

 

[JEricson]

erik



DSE says that you do not have to do any vehicle modifications. HOWEVER, in my opinion you need to get the blend temperature above 160f. or you risk the chance of the WVO coking the injectors. #2 diesel is prefered to be 80 to 110f. that is why i have installed a ball valve in the coolant system. i spend the winter months in arizona and new mexico but i still feel a heated filter is neccesary.



on the fleetguard filter there is a port for a 12 volt heater but i dont think that is neccesary as the heater on the OEM filter will still be operational.

 

[EBottema]

Yes, the heater sounds like a good idea for extra protection, well it cannot hurt to have it. Extra filter to trap junk.



I know the filter is heated by coolant, how did you hook that up? I would think an electric heater would be much easier



Erik

 

[JEricson]

eric



i tee'd into the heater hoses and installed the ball valve near the filter.



I am not possitive but i believe the 12volt heater is thermostatically controlled to turn off at 80f. www.davcotec.com now makes the coolant heated filters for fleetguard. davco makes a unit (model 234) specificly for WVO. it is designed to turn off at 120f, but i still don't think this is hot enough.



jim

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Coolant heater is basically free heat and certainly more reliable.

 

[DSpencer]

There is a problem with heating the fuel in the vp44 trucks. The vp44 is temperature sensitive. Heating the fuel to 160 degrees might endanger the IP's longevity, specifically the electronics. I think the inline p7100's would be better suited for this. I don't know how the cp3's in the third generations would hold up with the heat but with the problem of the new injectors clogging and failing I think this fuel might foul them up.



Heating up this type fuel would also be of more benefit at startup as a caution against gumming up the walls of the cylinder. At startup say at 32 degrees the fuel would have no help with a coolant based heating system and the Cummins takes a while for the water to heat up.

 

[JEricson]

dspencer



my truck has the p7100 pump. you are correct. from my research i have found that all 12valve engines are ok with heat. the 98 1/2 throught 2002 24 valve engines should not be heated. I don't know what dodge changed in the 2003 model year but it is apparently ok to heat.



jim

 

[RSeymon]

what do I need to buy?

Greetings,



Just ordered the book yesterday. Be here in a week or so. Can someone who is using this system tell me what I might need to buy for the process. I have a source for wvo. any pointers greatley excepted... I feel the 51. 00 investment is cheap enough. .



Thanks in advance



MR. LUCKY

 

[JEricson]

mr lucky



the booklet has sketches in it for filtering. i am in the process of putting together a portable on-board system similar to the sketch but with a filrite 12 volt pump. i see that you live in las vegas. however i would still recommend a coolant heated filter.



jim

 

[67guzzler]

Hi Jim!



Any updates? After doing a ton of reading http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums and other places I've tried to learn as much as possible about blending.



The major issue I came upon was waxing. There were a couple people who had fuel system waxing nightmares. They couldn't pinpoint it but it seemed that even though they blended oil, diesel or kero and RUG (regular unleaded gasoline) along with PS Diesel Kleen some people reported this waxing problem that ultimately resulted in fuel starvation. Some guessed it was that the oil was hydrogenated. Others guess that the oil had water in it. Others guess that it had inpurities (sugars / salts). But most don't know what to make of it.



Getting back to DSE. Thinking optomistically here -- I wonder if the DSE additive, if it really has the harsh chemicals people say it does, may very well be necessary to prevent the waxing problems... .



Just a thought.



Please keep on updating us as you go.....



Thanks!

 

[JEricson]

jay



no further updates. no problems so far. about 1000 miles so far with longest run 150 miles.



the people having waxing problems probably do not have a heated filter. also, as i've speculated, there may be somthing in the DSE additive that helps to breakdowm the wax.



jim

 

[67guzzler]

jay



no further updates. no problems so far. about 1000 miles so far with longest run 150 miles.



the people having waxing problems probably do not have a heated filter. also, as i've speculated, there may be somthing in the DSE additive that helps to breakdowm the wax.



jim

Actually the problem with waxing and gunk was throughout the fuel system. They had a film in the tank, lines etc. so I don't know if a heated filter would have helped.



I'm guessing the two active ingredients in the DSE does help with this tho. If that's the case and someone did want to blend, They might not want to do it without the DSE unless they could get the active ingredients in the DSE formula in the same ratios elsewhere.....



The blending catastrophe thread was scary stuff.



Thanks for the update!