Diesel secret energy .63 cents per gallon

[JEricson]

my feeling is that the continuous overdose of diesel service additive is controlling or helping to control the waxing. it would be interesting to point some of these problems to DSE to see what there response would be. however this would apply only if you are using their formulation.



jim

 

[67guzzler]

I sent them an email presenting the blending & waxing questions. I'm waiting to hear back...

 

[tractorface]

Fwiw

WVO burners use two tanks and never start or shutdown on WVO. They wait until the WVO is warm to switch the fuel lines over via a solenoid valve. Before shutting down they switch back to diesel and let the lines purge themselves of the WVO. At least that is the accepted norm.

 

[67guzzler]

tractorface -- Yes, for 100% WVO / SVO that's true.



The whole point of blending is to run whole oil along with other things (RUG, K-1, #1 or #2) plus a cetane booster and possibly some snake oil to avoid having to go with two tanks, a valve and a heater.



Otherwise, there isn't any point to blending.



I think that blending is the wave of the future -- if it doesn't kill the engine!

 

[tractorface]

Not sure I agree. I would not hesitate to run WVO in a 12 valve truck but not a 24v truck. The problem I have with blending is what people are blending. Naptha and gasoline are two things that would never see the inside of any diesel motor I own. With that said I am sure a person could run a whole lot of bad stuff through a 12v and get away with it :-laf Its the rest of the diesel vehicles in the world I would worry about Can't imagine a VP44 running very long on that stuff.

 

[cj hall]

mix all oil together then mix as the book says filter it thru a bag filter and one pump for (one hr) this super cleans the oil the cleaner the better this pumping will cause heat hose clamps and tubing will slip (big mess) 50/50 mix is a great place to start.

check fuel filter after first test of fuel check engine oil also up the mix keep checking fuel filters/oil

yes you can play around the mix but why it works good just be careful not to burn a engine down

04 loves 75% mix ,05 hates 50%



good luck

cj hall

 

[vonTrapp]

Hi all:



Looking at the amount of fuel my company is burning every day, I often go back to the issue of blending and/or making my own "diesel". I found this topic by accident, and was intrigued enough to read on through. But one thing stopped me cold:



RUG? Gasoline?? Running through my P7100's???



Really... this is running contrary to everything I've ever been taught.



So... my mind is open:



1) What is the RUG for?

2) Why is it necessary?

3) What effect is this going to have on my pump?

4) How long has any member here been running this blended cocktail?

 

[67guzzler]

RUG == Regular Unleaded Gasoline



It aids in ensuring a complete burn to help prevent coking and carbon buildup. Basically if you're running a blend you have to burn the glycerin found in whole oils. The theory is that RUG and the Diesel Kleen and the DSE additive not only help lower viscosity but help you properly burn everything in whole oil. I don't know the effect a small ratio of gasoline will have on your pump. But remember there is so much lubricity in whole oil & gasoline is simply a derivative of petro oil anyway. So in theory a small ratio (10%) of RUG properly mixed in the blend with whole oil will STILL result in way more lubricity than straight #2 diesel. Think of it as if the RUG essentially stops being RUG once it's mixed up with the oil.



RUG w/straight #2 diesel is another story. That I wouldn't do.



There are tons of folks who are discussing blending at the Groupee board. Here is just one link:



http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/159605551/m/472108809



Here is the main SVO board (search blending):



http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/frm/f/159605551



Here is cool listing of a bunch of threads over there and other places regarding the DSE product:



http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/419605551/m/1311010701



Good luck!

 

[JEricson]

jgann & vontrapp



well said. the only thing i can add is that you have a lot less worry with the 12 valve p7100 pump as you do with the 24 valve vp44 pump. the p7100 is lubricated with the engine oil. the vp44 is lubricated by the fuel that you are running. although the oil blend has more lubricity than #2 diesel it cannot take a lot of excess heat. however vp44 owners could use a blend with less WVO. 50/50 seems to be the most popular choice.



jim

 

[vonTrapp]

Thanks for the input!



I admit, I lurk and search here quite a bit, been posting on another site since like... forever?



The alt fuel issue is still intriguing. I'll follow the links posted above, and hopefully I can find someone in the Calgary area running WVO or blends to meet up with.



And FWIW... stricly a guess on my part. I suspect Diesel Secret is simply repackaging an existing product, producing a pamphlet, and charging $50. 00 for it.



ANY company that has a flipping yahoo email address is not going very far to reassure me of it's legitimacy, regardless of how well written the site is. Nigerian Royalty has also pleaded with us to help them

 

[stumphumper]

Hay, Ken down here in Jax, fl.

The weather here would be great for wvo fuel so i sent for the DSE guide. I also have been looking into the bio-pass (wicking) oil filters that work alongside acusorb beads to scrub the water out of the wvo. (www.survivalunlimited.com) check out there new WVO3-B system also. I think I'm going to go with DSE. I want to preheat my wvo using a solar collector but using the whole house filters might not hold up to the temp increase. I also have consern with having all the water removed using the Goldenrod water block filter unit. I might do the DSE process but then send it through the acusorb beads (resin) to clean it better. Kinda using both systems togeather.

Question for those using DSE. Have you ever tested for water in your wvo after it has been through a goldenrod filter. I read somewere that putting some on a hot pan and if it crackels then you have water in it.

I also think that putting a heater on the fuel filter is the way to go with my 95. bring the mix up to a higher temp (even in FL. ) will only aid the flow process. I have relocated my fuel filter (Geno's Prime Location Kit). Does anyone out there know if a heater can be adaped to this unit? what if i made a coil of copper tubeing around the filter using the engines coolent.

Keep this bio/wvo going. lots of great info to be learned from each other. If your making it in the Jax,FL area please drop me a line. I'd like to come see your still so I can get my stumphumpin wagon smellin like a french fry!

ken

 

[67guzzler]

Hey, Jim...



I just got the booklet and bottle of DSE additive. I'm going to start building my contraption soon. Any tricks or tips?



Thanks man.

I thought i'd start a new thread with inflation factored into DSE's . 46 cents per gallon. that is my actual cost on a 20 gallon batch.



I have been driving about a week, about 250 miles and so far i am very pleased. my truck seems to be quieter and it seems to have better throttle response. the only real difference that i can tell is that it takes slightly longer to warm up before i candro[ it in gear. the oil that i am using for this initial test is commercialy recycle and filtered sunflower oil. the mixture is pretty close to #2 diesel. temps have been in the low 70's. this blend should be good down to low 30's.



the only modification that i have done to my truck is the installation of a fleetguard coolant heated filter. i would strongly reccomend that anyone wanting to use DSE's formula do something similar.



now the big question. is the DIESEL SECRET ENERGY formula snake oil or is for real? I HAVE NO IDEA. i am not a chemist, but for a cost of . 15 cents a gallon, i will continue to use it until someone convinces me that it is snake oil.



I hope others that are trying this formula will add their comments either positive or negative.



jim

 

[JEricson]

I don't have anyh particular tips or tricks other than what has already been posted. the only difference from the sketch in the booklet is that i am using a 12 volt pump rather than the 120 volt pump. i like the looks of the system that eric has made.



jim

 

[67guzzler]

How has your truck been running? Have you been running on 100% DSE blend since you last posted your results? Thanks.

 

[JEricson]

the truck has been running great. the filter plugged at about 1200 miles. i anticipated this as i had run about 60 gallons of biodiesel which has a tendency to loosen all the gun and algae that had built up in the tanks.



jim

 

[67guzzler]

Good news about it running well.



Ok -- I just got back from Costco. I bought four 35 lb jugs of 100% new soybean oil @ $13. 49 per jug. This should be around 19 to 20 gallons.



20 gallons for $54. 00. This comes to $2. 70 per gallon.



Jim -- Here's my next question:



If I use new oil like this can I just mix the ingredients thoroughly per the manual and then pump straight into my tank w/o creating the filling station with the filters?



Thanks again for your thoughts!

 

[Kernel]

Can somebody give me a link to the blending catastrophe thread? Thanks.



Scott

 

[67guzzler]

Hey Scott -- Search somewhere here. I didn't bookmark the thread but I think it was on this site:



http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/cfrm/f/898605551



If it's not there, try this one:



http://forums.biodieselnow.com/



If you search at both links using catastrophie or blending you should be able to find it.

 

[JEricson]

jgann



I see no reason why you can't just mix and run. after all new oil is edible food grade. I would still keep my eye on your filter. what type of filter do you have? I am going to install a vacuum gauge on my truck tomorrow so i can moniter the filter from the cab.



jim

 

[67guzzler]

Jim,



I don't know what filter I have -- whatever comes with the 05's I guess.



I decided I'd put the Goldenrod / Racor water blocker filter between the pump and the nozzle. Dirt isn't too much of a worry but I think that water can always be a problem. If there isn't any water I won't have to be changing many filters but at least I'll at least have it for insurance.



Where did you get your water blocker? Local or on the internet?



-Jay