Diesel secret energy .63 cents per gallon

[okayred]

no worries!

No need to apologize - I should remember that not everyone speaks "redneck. "



The reason I hopped in to this thread is because I am interested in blending. Back in 2006 up to this spring I made bio-diesel in my garage. We have moved since and I am still looking for alternatives to $4+ fuel.



Having said that and also not wishing for any ill will on the forum; I have seen first-hand glycerin drop out of vegetable oil. For every gallon of methanol added to WVO, . 8-. 95 of a gallon of glycerin will drop to the bottom after mixing. We (bio-diesel users) dump the glycerin or make soap/de-greaser out of it, using the "good stuff" from the top of the mix (the methyl-ester) in the tank.



I think, at least I remember reading from the bio-diesel sites, that the pure glycerin needs heat in the range of 750-800*F in order to fully burn (so as not to leave sticky residue). This heat can easily be achieved inside the cylinder of a warm engine, but I would be concerned with using un-blended fuel in a cold one (<120*F).



I am just curious though, cjhall, are you using a separate tank for your blended fuel or is it poured straight into the tank?



The idea of using gasoline to "thin out" the WVO is an interesting prospect and seems to work, yes? I wonder if there are any chemists out there who might have done some investigations on this...

 

[cj hall]

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Hello okayred



The blend I use goes right in the tank it's a titan tank 50+ gallons also it has a heater and a fass lift pump w/heat fuel line runs up to ip and has the cooling lines running around the fuel line temp runs to 160 degrees never have seen it hotter than this.



sure if you pour methanol and lye in vegetable oil with added heat it cracks the oil and you get glycerin and that if your burning pure glycerin then you need to get it to 700 to 800 degrees to burn right but what is in vegetable oil is not the same as burning pure glycerin its not pure its a Triglyceride and it burns different than glycerin because of the esters of oil the same as biodiesel



crude oil has glycerin in it because dow chemical used to make it out of petrolchemical ie crude oil. but they closed the plant because of the flood of glycerin from the biodiesel plants.



This is the same as burning crude oil in your truck some of the lighter crude oil that comes out of the ground can be used with out any refinery to crack or make diesel out of it.



I don't have any thing bad to say about making biodiesel out of waste vegetable oil but when you make it out of a new feed stock (food supply) then I will start. Granted using gasoline to thin the vegetable oil is risky but once its in the oil and mixed will then it not a problem the stuff will not burn at the temps I play with it and thats good.



you will get a lot of people that will tell you not to run any amount of gasoline in your diesel but do you think that the diesel you have just bought from the store was trucked in a tanker that might just have had gasoline in it and I have pulled out of the lines of those tankers 15 to 25 gallons of fuel that does not get drained out when the dump the load of fuel.

if they dont drain the fuel out and most of them dont you have gasoline in your diesel and diesel in your gasoline. and if they hauled other stuff in those tanks then you might just have red dye diesel/ kerosene/e85/biodiesel/jet fuel/leaded av gas' and any other thing the refinerys sell in your fuel.



15 to 30 gallons of one fuel in 1000 to 2500 in another is not a big beal.



the last tanker I got red biodiesel from 25 gallons it was going to the refinery to pick up a load of unleaded gas this was from only one of the tanks on the trailer it had 6 of them,the rest was either unleaded gas or diesel red dye and clear diesel in them that day the trucker had an empty trailer and the whole thing would have super unleaded in it in about 30 min from the time I got the fuel.



Just thought you all would like to know this.



cj hall