diesel up again

[Tractorat]

diesel prices

Although I would love to blame the high cost of diesel on the democrats, ( or the repulicans if that were the cast), my opinion is that we can blame the oil companies. Every time I turn on the news, all I hear is that the energy companies are making record profits because of what they are selling gas and diesel for. And yes, there is no pressure on heating oil in the PacNW right now. However, if they think they can get a high price elsewhere, they will charge it here. On top of that, I have heard that they think that Washontonians can pay more, so they charge us more. Especially in the Seattle area.



I also believe that, because "tree huggers" dont drive diesel trucks, that the oil companies think they can screw us more without the same degree of backlash that they get from the general public when gas goes up.



Ive never been a complete opponant of drilling in the prestine areas in Alaska. And now that I hear that the oil companies send our Alaska oil to other parts of the world, and send us in Washinton the more expensive oil, Im starting to move to the side of the tree huggers. The only reason I could justify drilling in Alaska would be to lower prices in the lower 48. But if its going overseas, lets keep it in the ground.



Im ready to say (of course this will never happen) that the feds should nationalize the oil companies (or at least the refineries). That way, at least when someone screws us, there would be someone that we could hold accountable. Although Im basically a capitalist (cant tell it by this, can you), if a commodity or product that is as important to the economy and the lifestyle of the citizens as oil is, if the suppliers of the product take advantage of us (like the oil companies do), then they should lose the right to that product (man, I sould like a communist, dont I ?). Its just like anything. If you abuse it, you will eventually lose it.

(Whew, I guess I spoke my mind, didnt I)

 

[jack-green]

diesel price

just paid 2. 69 for fuel in spokane,Wa :--)

 

[Tractorat]

diesel prices

I just $1. 65 in Bothell. And that was at the cheap station.

Its not we're still buying because its not high enough. For many of us, we pay it because we have to. For others, its like drugs. If you want to drive your diesel truck, you pay it. All at the loss of something else that you might use your money for (food, medicine ? etc)

 

[RJOL]

I just $1. 65 in Bothell. And that was at the cheap station.

Its not we're still buying because its not high enough. For many of us, we pay it because we have to. For others, its like drugs. If you want to drive your diesel truck, you pay it. All at the loss of something else that you might use your money for (food, medicine ? etc)

If you're really only paying $1. 65 in Bothell, you bettery fill up. I think you meant $2. 65...

 

[Tractorat]

diesel prices

Yep, thats what I meant (darn computers)

 

[hammersley]

Turn Around SMURN AROUND!!!!!

What a bunch of freaking BS! If you swallow that line of crap I Lord help you!!! This is exactly what the utilities did to California during the electricity SCREWINGS a few years back - PURE and SIMPLE! Talk about an industry that needs fixing!

 

[LarryWard]

weak dollar and 30 mpg?

Invested in my son's forex spot market world currency trading fund has me watching euro and british pound. Crude prices directly impact the pound. As dollar goes south the oil producers must not like exchanging their crude for cheaper and cheaper dollars. Was some talk while back of Saudis, etc moving over to euros but heard they denied. So they may have felt its less insulting to simply compensate the weak dollar they get by just getting more of them per barrel. Some like dollar weak and others don't. Forex traders like it going either way - as they put it, "the trend is your friend". But I am lead to beleive the distributors and retailers are also making some increased margins just as refiners. As aside, I looked at a used shell for my truck today and the owner has a '94 cc 2wd, auto transmission and I ask about milage (meaning odometer) and he said 30 and I said 30?? He said 30. Completely stock with 158k. Does anybody get that kind of milage. . ? He drives for large grocery chain, so has to know trucks. Loves his truck!!. Told him about TDR.

 

[hammersley]

He's full of crap...............

The only way you can get 30 is downhill - or at about 35 mph .....

 

[macdaddy]

Attacking big oil again huh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Government intervention to control prices??

Tree huggers???

Democrats???

Capitalists??



Look the Bush/Cheny admin had an energy plan that called for government subsidies to streamline permitting for the expansion of existing refineries,the building of new pipelines and improving the infrastructure of all the existing importing/exporting terminals and facilities, but the Dems stalled it out in both the house and senate. A refinery costs billions to build and require over 5 years to build and bring on line. Look the so called "Big oil" a**holes that everybody continues to bash are providing a product to its consumers and when there is a shortage prices rise that is the nature of our system of government "capitalism". To think the government needs to intervene is saying we need to move more towards being a country like in the eastern block of Europe. Government intervention into the energy industry would bring other socialistic controls into our society and undermine advances in all areas of technology. I think the fall of the Soviet Union proves this.



The energy industries are not to blame, ask yourself would I support the building of a refinery near me? if you say no then blame your self. Just think if Kerry were elected if you were watching any of his interviews with meet the press. He called for a fuel tax on all fuels to suppress its consumption there by reducing our reliance on importing foreign oil .



Washington state is growing at an alarming rate as is California and Oregon the current hike in Diesel prices in the PNW at some point will become sustained I assure you, unless another refinery/refineries is built.



Alright let me have it :-{}



Mac

ConocoPhillips Los Angeles

 

[CRuth]

Can't build refineries? I admit its expensive, its slow, lots of red tape to go through. But look at Shell. They tried to shut down a refinery in southern california. Yes it was old and in need of retrofitting but they could have done that a lot cheaper and faster than building a brand new one. Can;t think of the name off the top of my head, but some independent that specializes in selling fuel to the trucking industry bought it. May be good news for us down the road.



The whole democrat republican thing is a big smokescreen. The dems, the repubs and the industry are in one big conspiracy. Bend over baby.

 

[RVPILOT]

who in power now ?

 

[Delta King]

The problem isn't the shortage of diesel, crude oil, or heating oil. It is the lack of refining capacity in the US. If they need more heating oil, they must reduce the refining output of diesel. That is where the bottleneck occurs. If the greenpeace, crunchy granola, tree hugging, anti-everything hippie freaks would shut the heck up and let them build new refineries, we wouldn't have this problem.

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You hit the nail on the head... ... Due to EPA restrictions, tree huggers, air quality, etc. ,Most of the older refineries have been shut down. Why? Because the cost of refurbishment to new Gov't specs. is not economically viable. The cost of new construction for new refineries is not economically viable due to these same restrictions. No, I'm not sticking up for "Big Oil Companies", I do know that crude oil closed at over $52. 00 a barrel on Friday. When Opec threatens cut backs on supplies, the price is going to rise. Unfortunately, we see the rise at the pump before the fuel jobber sees it. Just my . 02 worth... ... .