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April 19, 2002 5:18 PM

Subject: Re: [DIESEL] FW: California says diesel cleaner than CNG





> For those of you that can't get in to read this story, here it is:

>

> WASHINGTON, April 19 /PRNewswire/ -- New comparative environmental data

> from the California Air Resources Board (CARB) indicates that California's

> massive South Coast Air Quality Management District (AQMD) in Los Angeles

> may have jumped the gun in mandating compressed natural gas (CNG) for

buses

> and other vehicles in its jurisdiction. The new CARB data suggests

> emissions from CNG buses may actually be more toxic than its

alternative --

> modern diesel systems, according to Allen Schaeffer, Executive Director of

> the Washington, D. C. -based Diesel Technology Forum. "This study certainly

> challenges conventional thinking -- it shows us that alternative fuels

like

> CNG are not always as clean as they have been accepted to be, and more

> importantly, that we have not given fair consideration to the tremendous

> progress made in clean diesel technology," said Schaeffer. "It was a naive

> assumption that CNG emitted fewer particulates than diesel," said

> toxicologist Charles Lapin, Ph. D. of Glendale, CA. He said he was

surprised

> that toxic formaldehyde levels in CNG emissions were so much higher than

> diesel, but he acknowledged that only one or two studies have looked at

the

> toxicity of CNG emissions. The announcement by CARB that diesel engines

> with soot filters emit fewer and less-toxic compounds than "clean" CNG

> engines questions the objectivity and wisdom of South Coast District's

> two-year-old CNG-only decision. That policy, based on conjecture rather

> than comparative data, has seen taxpayers subsidize hundreds of millions

of

> dollars for new CNG vehicles and fueling stations -- in the midst of the

> natural gas shortage. "Several months ago, California determined that it

> didn't adequately study the adverse effects of the gasoline additive MTBE

> before mandating its use, and Californians are now paying the price. The

> blind rush by some government agencies away from modern clean diesel to

> CNG-fueled public transit may carry the same harmful effects. Our message

> is that all fuels and technologies should be evaluated fairly and openly,"

> said Schaeffer. Some 13 transit fleets and all school districts in the

> South Coast AQMD region have been required to direct new purchase dollars

> to the more expensive, less reliable, and potentially more toxic CNG

buses,

> said Schaeffer. "It's a prime example of why government agencies should

not

> pick winners and losers in the technology arena," he added. CARB, one of

> the world's leading advocates of "alternative" technologies, discovered in

> its tests with South Coast AQMD that a diesel bus with a soot trap

> outperformed a newer CNG bus in eight out of 11 pollution tests. The

> results also suggest that the CNG exhaust components may be more harmful

> than those from low-sulfur diesel fuel. The CARB data corroborates studies



> done in Sweden in 2000 but were rejected by the South Coast AQMD and many

> policymakers at CARB during the decision-making process in 2000 and 2001.

> The results also parallel a much larger California study of trucks, waste

> haulers and school buses conducted by BP/ARCO along with CARB, South Coast

> AQMD, and the U. S. Department of Energy. "The comparison reaffirms the

> decision made by 21 California transit agencies last year that chose a

> clean diesel future over CNG. And it leaves the South Coast Air Quality

> Management District -- a co-sponsor of the study - - questioning the

wisdom

> of its policies that have advocated 'clean' alternatives with impunity,"

> said Schaeffer. "These findings only further reinforce the value of clean

> diesel technology in meeting air quality goals and what the majority of

> transit districts and school bus fleets already know -- they can get more

> clean air for the buck with clean diesel technology," asserted Schaeffer.

> This technology includes cleaner engines, cleaner fuel and emissions

> systems that collectively reduce soot, nitrogen oxides and other

> pollutants. Experience with CNG by transit districts around the country

> suggests that not only is it far more expensive technology to own and to

> operate, but it is less fuel efficient, less reliable and breaks down more

> often. "All engines produce emissions, and neither diesel nor CNG are

> exempt," said Schaeffer, whose members offer both clean diesel and CNG

> products. "Technology is constantly evolving towards lowering emissions.

> These kinds of studies not only improve our knowledge of the science, but

> we also hope they promote change in the process that compares technologies

> and the perception and understanding about just how far we have come in

> diesel technology," he added. "We encourage more comparison studies, since

> this research was only based on two buses. But the South Coast AQMD stood

> firmly behind it's CNG-only policy with NO data," concluded Schaeffer.

> "Perhaps these new findings will encourage the District to reconsider its

> restrictive mandate. " The Diesel Technology Forum represents manufacturers

> of engines, fuel and emissions control systems. It brings together the

> diesel industry, the broad diesel user community, civic and public

interest

> leaders, government regulators, academics, scientists, the petroleum

> industry and public health researchers to encourage the exchange of

> information, ideas, scientific findings and points-of-view to current and

> future uses of diesel power technology. For more information about the

> Forum, visit the web site at http://www.dieselforum.org .
 
Thanks for the article. I think that the "visual" is what has given Diesels a bad name. People see some older smoky diesel and they condem them all. Even at UPS they converted to natural gas power in the LA basin mainly though because the big polluters bought the conversions for smog emission credits. It all gets down to MONEY!!!:mad: :mad: Chris
 
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