DieselDynamics Ball-bearing turbo available??

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

these 3rd gen trucks really eat turbos, especially singles stacked the edge ez and the van aken and killed one stock turbo, killed 3 more stock turbos with the tst old program, killed an ats aurora 3000 turbo the second day and ats would not warranty it after they promised it would hold up, the killer b 64 12 and 14 with the upgrades for surging are decent but still get way too hot way too fast, the sled puller 66 with no surging problems fueled by the tst new program stacked with the quadzilla on the 50 setting is a pretty good setup with little lag but still gets warm, now running piers twins hx40-16 on top and a ht3b-26 on the botttom now i have mega top end and no bottom end but does not get hot fueled by the tst twins program stacked with the ez, once you hit about 12 psi of boost, it screams past 60 untill you hear the blow off valves release, i guess what i was trying to say was if you have anything to do with tst do not run anything smaller than the sled puller 66, the others run fine with a simple pressure box... .

I have been trying my best to Kill a DD Jammer to no avail. Bullydog on xtrreme, EZ on six and flat footed in 4x4, 80 mph sideways and steping off with a huge bark! Then flat foot it again. Swanson has gone for a ride or two... ... He'll tell ya that I abuse this truck. I think of it more as riding on the edge of the envelope..... ! Go Big!! The Jammer holds egt's steady til 300 rpm's and then hits 1300* Max. I can hardly wait to get my hands on a Ball Bearing Turbo. Come on Locklier..... Kick one down for some serious testing in the desert. How about a 1000 mile race of continuous flat footed runs to 3400 rmps for 29 hours straight.



Greg

 

[Cooker]

Is it wastegated?

When I called to inquire on pricing last week, I was told they are not wastegated.

 

[Tomeygun]

When I called to inquire on pricing last week, I was told they are not wastegated.

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IF there is ONE thing I have learned from running a TST box, its that the wastgate IS YOUR FRIEND!! -- This info puts a little kink in the armor for sure... Maybe warranty info would help

 

[daytripper63]

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IF there is ONE thing I have learned from running a TST box, its that the wastgate IS YOUR FRIEND!! -- This info puts a little kink in the armor for sure... Maybe warranty info would help

Tomey I was just gettin ready to p. m. you to see if we can get a break on 2 of these Turbos but I too am running TST and the waste gate is definetely your friend with the TST

 

[supersonic]

Why couldn't you just do an external WG?

 

[ThomasLawrence]

Why couldn't you just do an external WG?

You could, but you shouldn't have to cut apart your manifold and do a bunch of custom work just to install a turbo.



Then again - they must feel that the turbo is strong enough to not need a wastegate. If it can support up to 700HP (with the right configuration), then it's gotta be able to handle upwards of 60lbs. of boost ("handle" isn't necessarily equal to "is efficient at").



Their lack of willingness to test it out with the TST box ("we don't sell it, so we ain't gonna test it") seems detrimental in the long run. The PMCR is _THE_ box for all the high-HP 3rd Gens, and this is the target (heck, the ONLY) audience for this turbo. Why wouldn't they just suck it up (even a little bit) and get one, if for no other reason than to put a "TST-tested" stamp on their turbo? It would probably sell more turbos, and it would only take two or three sales to cover their TST-related R&D investment.



Just my uneducated, uninformed, humble opinion...



-Tom

 

[Jeff_K]

... . Their lack of willingness to test it out with the TST box ("we don't sell it, so we ain't gonna test it") seems detrimental in the long run. The PMCR is _THE_ box for all the high-HP 3rd Gens, and this is the target (heck, the ONLY) audience for this turbo. Why wouldn't they just suck it up (even a little bit) and get one, if for no other reason than to put a "TST-tested" stamp on their turbo? It would probably sell more turbos, and it would only take two or three sales to cover their TST-related R&D investment... .

I agree 100%. I wouldn't want to spend $2000 to find out that it is just like every other single that the aggresive TST program has eaten for lunch.

 

[KLockliear]

Few more things



- I was told we will sell them for less than the 2k I expected.



- It is efficient into the low 50's for boost numbers, but will go higher without a problem.



- No wastegate. On my personal truck (02 HO - 511rwhp/1052tq) it made 38-39psi.



- Spool is quicker than a Jammer. On my truck, it won't spin the tires in 2nd gear if I mash the go pedal from idle with the clutch out. With this one, it will rip them at around 2600rpm.



ThomasLawrence - you are right. We are not going to test it with the TST box. We don't sell it, so why should we? I don't think any co. out there should be held responsible to test their product with everything else on the market.



Don't quote me guys, but the rumor with the big wigs is that this turbo will come with a 1-yr warranty.

 

[lmills]

gee I don't know, it just seems to me like every other vendor that actually deals with turbos for a living has been testing their turbos with the TST just so people know if they are worth buying. I for one know I won't be the guinea pig on a brand new trubo that I don't know if it will hold up. I certainly am not going to sell my TST box just so I can run it, that's for sure.

 

[ThomasLawrence]

We are not going to test it with the TST box. We don't sell it, so why should we?

Oh, I don't know, Keith... . maybe because most of the 3rd gen trucks making the kind of HP this turbo is designed for are running one? (Your truck excluded, of course... ). Just look around here at people's signatures. I dare say you'd be hard-pressed to find many 500HP or better trucks without one. You won't find ANYONE at or near 600HP without one. Isn't it your goal to market this turbo to the 500-700HP crowd?

the rumor with the big wigs is that this turbo will come with a 1-yr warranty.

Unless you happen to be running a TST, of course... no?



Keith, you guys make some really nice products. I ran the Jammer for over a year with a TST/EZ stack, right at 500HP, without any problems at all. I just think you're alienating a good part of your intended market by taking a somewhat negative stance on the TST box.



-Tom

 

[KLockliear]

Tom, ask TST what they recommend for a turbo with THEIR box. If you call Edge, I imagine they know what works with their box. If you call us, we tell you what works with what we sell.



This turbo is going to replace our current Jammer turbo, so it's being used in the 350-600+ HP levels.



All of this is mute though if we do offer the warranty. Just wait and see I guess.

 

[lmills]

yeh that's it pass the buck. at least TST is testing turbos to see what works.

 

[SRadke]

I have nothing agenst Kieth, DD, Edge or TST. Heck I've got no grudge agenst anyone on this board but the way I see it if you're trying to sell a high hp product you'll have a lot more luck selling it if you can give at least a little insight as to how it will hold up with other high hp products. You must admit the TST is the high hp box at the moment, has been for over a year. I'd like to give this turbo and it's manufacturer/distributor the benifit of the doubt but being unwilling to comment on it's performance with the TST box we as educated consumers must assume the worst. Assuming the worst is not going to sell many turbos with a 2k pricetag... . or any pricetag for that matter. My $. 02



-Scott

 

[Tomeygun]

Tom, ask TST what they recommend for a turbo with THEIR box. If you call Edge, I imagine they know what works with their box. If you call us, we tell you what works with what we sell.



This turbo is going to replace our current Jammer turbo, so it's being used in the 350-600+ HP levels.



All of this is mute though if we do offer the warranty. Just wait and see I guess.

I did just talk to Mark at TST, and he has been testing many turbos, But other things has delayed more testing... He said if I get your BB turbo, he would love to have me down to do a little dyno'ing on his mutang dyno (HECK, if he had the time, I bet he would have a DieselDynamics BB turbo at his doorstep right now for testing... )



He wants to see this question of "which 3rd gen high hp single?" answered as bad as all of us.



As for which turbo he recommends with his box, he still says (based upon HP vs. money) either the stocker, or twins so far. But again he is very open to me bringing my tuck down with the DD B. B. turbo and hopes that we can see if this will be the "silver bullet" to the fast-fueling PowermaxCR



PS - Keith, I agree you should not have to test with another companies box... BUT aren't you interested to see how it does? I know if I had this fancy new turbo that has broken the mold (with the BB design) - I would be very interested to know how far it can be pushed

 

[KLockliear]

Tom, I believe I've answered your questions. If you have more, let me know.

 

[Tomeygun]

Tom, I believe I've answered your questions. If you have more, let me know.

Just one, Let me know when the 3g kit is fully ready to ship and when you hear about the warranty issue

 

[Tomeygun]

Just getting a little antsy... Wanted to see whats new with the BB turbo...

 

[KLockliear]

Tom, we have 10 3G kits in stock and ready to ship. You have a PM on pricing. It is as listed above.



It will carry a 1-yr unconditional warranty from the manufacturer. Just keep your original reciept.

 

[RonA]

How it going to be as a top turbo Keith? Does it outflow the Jammer in the 30 to 35psi range?

 

[KLockliear]

I believe it outflows the Jammer everywhere. Dunno about a twins setup. We have not tested that.