Dino Oil

[Chief USA]

Cooker,



I'm not trying to start anything either, but take this FWIW:







John Deere 15W-40 Plus 50 oil



This is one of the best Dino oils on the market currently and it is certified for use with EGR system equipped diesels. (for you VW TDI fans)

 

[Cooker]

I think the JD oils are a fine product and last I knew they were being manufactured by Chevron.



As far as being API licensed or not. I tried to located the JD oils on API's site and I was unble to find them. Check here: http://eolcs.api.org/



JD is doing the same thing as Amsoil. They (JD) say they meet the API ratings but they are not actually licensed with the API.



Is this good or bad? That is up to each individual consumer to decide. To each his own. I know I am using a non-API licensed oil and I'm ok with it

 

[Chief USA]

If I am not mistaken and it wouldn't be the first time to my knowledge, Chevron makes oils for John Deere and Fleetguard makes most of their filters. John Deere does not make oil, they sell oil made for them to their specifications. John Deere sell Chevron oil and Chevron oil is API certified. John Deere does not mess around on the edge. Their engines and machinery are NOT cheap by any sense of the word and their reputation is priceless for them. Trust me, it is damn good oil and it is API certified. They don't play the Amsoil "snake oil " marketing game.

 

[illflem]

According to my JD dealer their oil is made to JD's specs by Valvoline.

Searched around the net to see if it was true, only thing I saw was an Amsoil sales site claiming the JD oil is made by Chevron.

I'll believe my parts guy before I'll believe a snake oil salesman.

 

[Chief USA]

You may well be right about the Valvoline Illflem. I have a friend that sells John Deere and he told me he thought Chevron made John Deere oil. I will see if I can find an MSDS sheet on it and get back to this post. All I know is, he gets me great prices for their oil and parts so I use them.

 

[Chief USA]

Well... ... ... this is not conclusive proof but strong probability. The MSDS sheets for the Plus 50 15W-40 do not show who the manufacturer is.



John Deere Plus 50 15W-40 MSDS



Now this is strange... ... the MSDS for the Plus 50 OW-40 synthetic blend oil DOES show Chevron as the manufacturer of the oil.



John Deere Plus 50 0W-40 synthetic blend oil



Still leaves a big question mark as to who makes the Plus 50 15W-40?



I guess that must be where my friend got his info. Irreguardless who makes it; it is very good oil. Alot of trucking companies use it. I was surprised at how long it stays clean before finally turning dark. At a $1. 29 a quart, that is not a bad deal!

 

[GSykes]

Delo 400 here too.











96 2500SLT HD CTD ext cab long bed, 100,000 mls, Rosewood dash, Mag-Hytec trans pan & diff cover, Westach gauges, full length boards, KDP tabbed, Air Lift air bags.

 

[illflem]

rfrazier, looking at the MSDSs for the syn and dino I noted that the dino oil had a '99 date on it and the syn no dates. The syn was also protected by trade secret laws. Could be rules have changed and they don't have to say who makes the products nowadays. Bet it would be close to impossible to find out who really makes it.



It is good oil but in JD's ads for it they say it's designed for the long hours under high loads with a constant throttle and dusty conditions a tractor encounters.

I don't know if this is good, bad, more than our trucks need or just hype.

 

[Chief USA]

illflem, I am sure I would be running Rotella or Delo or something similar had I not got the good price I paid on the John Deere oil. It would be interesting to see who actually makes the John Deere dino oil though. I will ask the John Deere folks and see what kind of an answer I get.

 

[Cooker]

One thing to keep in mind, it doesn't matter if Chevron, Valvoline, or Shell make the oil, that does not mean that the JD oils is the same API certified oil as it's manufactures counterparts, and I am sure this is not the case.



For example, we know Wal-Mart doesn't make/blend their own oil, yet they happen to be on the list. Same with Volvo, Volkswagen, Oriley's, and TSC. Napa oil is produced by Ashland Industries but is licensed by NAPA. My point is to be on the list they need to be licensed, regardless of the product manufacturer.



I did find a JD oil on the list but it appears to be a oil licensed and sold in South America, and I would guess it is not the same oil as sold in America otherwise the license would have carried over.



Again, I am not stating that API cert. is everything and I myself am currently running an oil that does not carry API cert. , I was just pointing this out for those people who feel it is important.

 

[JSmith]

Delo 400 here

 

[Chief USA]

Cooker,



Bottom line is... ... John Deere 15-W40 Plus 50 oil IS API cerified. You can post what you want, but it IS API certified. Their oil says so on the container and that's that. I could care less whether I am the only one who uses it; but it IS API certified. End of discussion.

 

[illflem]

I always wondered who makes the Napa oil so asked today. They said Valvoline. I asked if he was sure and he showed me the pallets the cases came on, sure enough they all said Valvoline on them. The Napa guy also told me the Napa oil is dyed to distinguish it from the regular Valvoline oils.



on edit : Turns out that Ashland Industries makes Valvoline

http://www.ashland.com/businesses/valvoline.html

 

[Cooker]

Originally posted by illflem

on edit : Turns out that Ashland Industries makes Valvoline

http://www.ashland.com/businesses/valvoline.html [/B]

illflem,

I was going to add that, but you beat me to it.



rfrazier,

You seem to feel very strongly about your opinion, but you are not correct in stating that the JD oil is licensed with the API.



You seem to have already made up your mind on this issue and that is fine, but for the others who may be following this topic just becasue the bottle says it meets or exceeds API specs for CI-4 does not mean that oil is licensed with the API. Absent from the bottles is the API "Donut" which would certainly be present if JD paid the large sum of $$$ for the license of the product. I don't think they are concerned with it as they are primarily marketing this product as an off road/agricultural and could care less about he API cert.



I have already said this does not make it a bad oil, in fact I think it is a very good oil. I am glad you are happy with your choice of oils as I am convinced your Cummins will run many, many miles with JD Plus 50 15w40. Again, I am merely staing a FACT that JD Plus 50 15w40 is not licensed with the API for those individuals who are concerned with API licensing.



Take care,

Ryan

 

[illflem]

On the who makes JD oil question, lots of different answers here http://www.ytmag.com/jd/messages/62794.html but only this one seems to be more than a rumor.



Posted by 4020Deere on January 18, 2002 at 04:55:37 from (192. 43. 65. 245):



In Reply to: Who maked John Deer oil? posted by John in Maryland on January 17, 2002 at 18:59:21:



I work for John Deere (in a factory), and used to work for Deere in Engine Engineering. Deere has oil blended to their specifications. The oil itself could be from a number of major refineries, such as Amoco, Ashland (makers of valvoline), Mobil, etc. Since oil is basically the same, as refined, it really isn't all that important which refinery it comes from. What makes oil on the shelf unique is the additives that are belnded in. It all depends on which refinery has the best price at the time, as to where the oil comes from. The oil is then blended with all of the anti-wear, anti-foam, anti-gall, etc. additives that JD specs out. This is done by an outside company that only blends and bottles the oil for Deere.

 

[Chief USA]

For those who may be concerned about API licensing, here is everything you wanted to know about John Deere oil but were afraid to ask. It is 52 pages of pdf file, so it takes a few minutes to download. You may need a username and password to access the pdf file. If anyone wants it, I can send it to them.



John Deere Oil Information Guide



For those who may have doubts or question about whether JD's oil is suitable for use in diesel engines of all sorts (within reason now... ... not ocean lineres) ; here are their claims and guarantee. Bare in mind that John Deere does NOT have a reputation of not standing behind their word. Their reputation is their most valuable product.



John Deere Claims & Guarantee



For most folks, Rotella or Delo or other good quality brand diesel oils are more than fine. Purchased at Walmart, will probably get the best price. Like I said before, unless you buy in a 55 gallon drum it is cheaper to go to Walmart. I use it in my tractor, truck, boat, and my Nissan. I will check a quart container of the Plus 50 oil at the dealer and see if it has the API donut on it.



Don't forget the pint of "Homer's Duck Butter" with each oil change. It exceeds all API ratings. Oo.

 

[Cooker]

rfrazier,



Sir, I appreciate your dedication with trying to show the qualities and benefits of the JD oils. And I agree with you that they are very fine oils. The issue we cannot seem to agree on it whether the oil is API licensed. I am sorry but your links provide no information to verify the JD Plus 50 15w40 is API licensed.



From your link:

"It is an exclusive John Deere formula that meets or exceeds the current industry requirements and can be highly recommended for use in all engines requiring oil with API service classifications of CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, CF-4, CE, and CD. "



Go to the Amsoil site, you will see the same wording there, and the majority of Amsoil products are not API licensed. This is a widely known FACT.



The key words are meets or exceeds. The JD oils is not API licensed even though in JD's own test they found it to out perform oils that are CH-4. Some could argue these test are biased? Do I personally think they are lying? NO.



I don't care if you use API licensed oils or not? I don't care that JD says their oils meet or exceed API specs (hell, I'm sure they do), I even said I think the Plus 50 15w40 is a good oil, I'll even go a far as to say that in my opinion it appears to be better than Rotella (by looking at the spec sheet alone). This does not hide the fact that JD Plus 50 15w40 IS NOT licensed with the API.



rfrazier,

You seem to think I am a cheerleader for API oils or that API oils are the only ones that should be used in a Cummins. I already stated I use a oil that is not API licensed. The bottle of my oil of choice also states that it meets or exceeds CI-4 specs. Obviously I belilve them or I wouldn't be using this oil. Unfotunately, meets or exceeds by the company own testing does not mean that it is API licensed.



I will finish once again with, I am simply trying to point out a FACT that JD oils are not licensed with the API. There are some people on this forum who care about this and some of the same people will not use Amsoil because it is not API licensed.



I think there is enough information for the readers of this thread to make their own decision about the quality of the JD oils and whether or not they feel comfortable using them in their own application.



I guess we will have to agree to disagee.



Note: I am awaiting a return phone call from a marketing and distributution manager at JD. When I hear from him I will post the additional information.

 

[Chief USA]

Gray Ghost,



After re-reading this thread last night; I realize that I have inadvertently participated in the hijacking of your thread and it's intended purpose. I sincerely apologize for this. I think Cooker is mostly interested in having the last word in everything (here is your chance Cooker so have at it! ) and what I call "pole vaulting over mouse turds"



If I decide to comment or present additional information on John Deere or any other oil (not likely); I will start my own thread.



Just buy what is on sale at Walmart for Pete Sakes!!!! Oo. When they have any of the major brands on sale; they are tough prices to beat!



Again, sorry for stepping on your thread.

 

[Rman]

before you buy whats on sale at wal-mart see the 'walmart is ruining america' thread

 

[fj40charles]

link to walmart ruining America thread

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79690