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do these new cummins engines have mass air flow [MAF] sensors on them?

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do these new cummins engines have mass air flow [MAF] sensors on them? just curious... having one could cause a restriction in the airbox pre turbo and kinda limits the designs of aftermarket air intake setups...





just curious
 
I don't know if the '03 CTD's have them, but I used to own a few 5. 0 Mustangs and the MAF bodies were not a problem. There was/is a fair of aftermarket companies that made larger diameter MAF meter bodies for the 5. 0's and you would just plug in the old module to the new body, mount it and walah! Then you had to go up the line and get a bigger throttle body and then you needed a GT40 intake and then you needed... .



I am sure if the MAF body is present and is a restriction some enterprising capitalist will make a bigger piece to satisfy TDR member needs. As they say... Where there is a will there is a way, but most of the time you better have a fair amount of money to fuel that "will. " :D
 
Originally posted by nickleinonen

do these new cummins engines have mass air flow [MAF] sensors on them? just curious... having one could cause a restriction in the airbox pre turbo and kinda limits the designs of aftermarket air intake setups...





just curious

Diesel engines do not require mass air sensors.

Gas engines are the only ones that I have seen them on

Probably something to do with the butterfly in the intake

as opposed to diesels where the intake is wide open
 
Re: Re: do these new cummins engines have mass air flow [MAF] sensors on them?

Originally posted by dan. poitras

Diesel engines do not require mass air sensors.

Gas engines are the only ones that I have seen them on

Probably something to do with the butterfly in the intake

as opposed to diesels where the intake is wide open



they do not require it, but some have them. my 6. 5TD has one. and the duramax engines have them...
 
We were having that discussion at the Dyno this weekend.



Is that a MAF in the top of the airbox; a temp sensor; or a MAF and a temp sensor? There's some cross-hatch in the intake tube behind where the sensor looking thing is at the front of the intake hose above the filter. Anyone know for sure?
 
I haven't looked at one, but even a diesel has to have some system to measure the volume of air entering the engine to determine the fuel charge to spurt into the combustion chamber. Mass Air is a good metering system because it is on the front side of the engine, so as long as the engine computer is good and you don't trick out, or "bomb", the engine out too much it will learn and adapt to modifications.



The way it works is,... or was on a Mustang 5. 0, the mass air body is a metal cylinder with computer module on top, located right behind the air filter (on the engine side of the air filter. ) Inside the metal cylinder, which is a good size 3 inches across, there is another metal tube along one of the edges of the cylinder. The tube is probably 1/4" across, stretched across the inside the tube there is a thin wire. This wire is heated and is connected to the computer module. The computer tests the temp. of the heated wire to determine how much air is entering the engine. As more air flows through the meter the wire gets cooler and vice versa. The computer then likely does all kinds of calculations about how cold and dense the outside air is and how much is entering the engine, and throttle position, load, blah, blah, blah, and figures out how much fuel to shoot.



As I said earlier, good thing about this set up is that as you put on a bigger exhaust, free flow air filter, tear of your cat (who would do such a thing!!), install better intake/heads, etc. (all of which improve engine efficiency and suck more air or allow the engine to breath better and need more air) the computer just adjusts the fuel ratio based on the increased amount of air entering the engine. This works to a point until the modifications outstrip the ability of the computer to adapt to the performance increases. (On Mustangs you were good until you really "bombed" it by putting on sizably larger injectors (30+lb. vs. stock 19lb. ) and a supercharger or turbo. You could increase HP by at least 50% via less exotic means before you need to fiddle with the computer or mass air. )



So, in summary, I don't know if the '03 CTD has a mass air meter, but if it does, I wouldn't necessarily consider that to be a bad thing. But then again... . my experience has been a completely different application. :p



If none of this helps, be gentle with me in your comments, I am sorry if I wasted your time with a FERD car story. :D
 
Don't sweat the FERD story; I have the same issues with my Camaro SS. :eek:



Most of us like performance in all packages; we just have a special place in our hearts and driveways for Dodge Cummins Diesels. :D
 
Originally posted by Big MAK

We were having that discussion at the Dyno this weekend.



Is that a MAF in the top of the airbox; a temp sensor; or a MAF and a temp sensor? There's some cross-hatch in the intake tube behind where the sensor looking thing is at the front of the intake hose above the filter. Anyone know for sure?

According to the service manual, the sensor you speak of is a combination inlet air temp / ambient air pressure sensor
 
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