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[RonD]

I wonder what Dodge is going to do about the GM & Ford numbers, there all pushing 400 HP and close to 800 pounds of torque, Cummins is 350/650, it doesn't look good, maybe they have a Rabbit in the hat for 2011.

 

[CBlack]

Does it really matter?

The only thing it gives them is bragging rights for numbers.

Besides, I've read that the new Furd is only dynoing 310/605 STOCK.

Big difference from their given ratings.

 

[67guzzler]

I hope they bail and don't try to compete on the numbers. it's not meaningful and I would rather they continue trying to make a better truck.

 

[NIsaacs]

Dodge started with 160/400. They wont stop at 350/650.



Nick

 

[HBarlow]

Who cares? "Exciting" claims made in paid advertising copy are cheap and often meaningless.

 

[macdaddy]

Does it really matter?



The only thing it gives them is bragging rights for numbers.



Besides, I've read that the new Furd is only dynoing 310/605 STOCK.



Big difference from their given ratings.

Agreed!!

This dam 05 stock 325/610, it's reliable with more than adequate power.



Mac

 

[Deleted member 995608]

Dodge- You either own one or wished ya did.



Quit worryin' bout it.

 

[rscurtis]

Wait 'till you see how quick this nonsense stops when fuel hits $5+ per gallon again.

 

[RVTRKN]

Dyno on 305 HP C&C was 300 HP. I know GM or Ford wont do that! They can claim it, but that is at the Flywheel.

 

[Grizzly]

I wonder what Dodge is going to do about the GM & Ford numbers, there all pushing 400 HP and close to 800 pounds of torque, Cummins is 350/650, it doesn't look good, maybe they have a Rabbit in the hat for 2011.

If your Dodge/Cummins pulls your 5er up a steep hill with the greatest of ease and doesn't overheat, what difference does it make what the numbers are.

 

[RonD]

So Ford and GM use flywheel numbers and Dodge uses rear wheel numbers, I doubt that. Don't get me wrong, I like the Ram with the Cummins, I tow 15000 pounds behind my 8000 pound Dodge, and it is a strain on some long hills, mine is bumped a little with a Smarty, but the 5. 9 is no 400 HP with 77? something pounds of torque, I know Cummins has versions of this engine that put out more I just hope they find a way to compete a little better next year, I do a lot of mountain towing, more would be a plus.

 

[NIsaacs]

No one is worrying about it, just curious thats all. Also if it were nonsense Dodge would still be at the bottom of the pile. Ford and Chevy experimenting with Diesel Power has forced Dodge into the Diesel Power leader. Competition is good... ... jeeze, sour grapes!



Nick

 

[EGroeneveld]

I'm ordering a new 2011 real quick (8AM appointment in the morning to finalize it) and I'm not to concerned about the power ratings. I am more concerned about the trailer and hauling ratings though. With a slidein camper and an enclosed trailer want to make sure I am under all the limits. Going 4. 10s helps.



My main concern is what will still be towing me and my family safely 200,000 miles and 10 years from now.

 

[Powder Extreme]

LOL, I find it very amusing when 5 years ago? Dodge was on top of the HP / TQ war by what? 10hp 10tq or so? Everybody bragged how Dodge was the best, has the most power, etc... Now that Dodge is behind by a sizable margin, people say, "so what?"

Kinda funny...

Anywho... the biggest reason GM and Ford are putting out so much more power is the Urea they are injecting into the exhaust. Urea makes a HUGE impact on NOX emission, in turn allowing the motor to be turned up to a point that would otherwise produce to high a level of emissions. It's cool that Cummins chose to go that route, one less thing to worry about, but in all reality the cost of Urea figures out to about a 1/2 cent per gallon of diesel increase in overall cost. The mileage gain from having the timing advanced etc in the motor more than makes up for cost of Urea. I've owned 5 Cummins of varying years and I can honestly say they are going in the wrong direction. I want to love the Cummins, but I just can't anymore. The fuel mileage just isn't there in the new motor, I'm very dissapointed in the power as well. I can't even pull an aluminum snowmobile trailer with a riding lawnmower in it up a 5% grade at 75mph without shifting down. Which I have to manually shift, full throttle and the truck just keeps slowing down till it hits about 68mph.

Ya ya, I have 3. 42 gears, not good for towing etc etc. but a stinking 2000lb trailer up a 5% grade? Come on! This truck should laugh at that, not require full throttle and a lower gear.

 

[RVTRKN]

So Ford and GM use flywheel numbers and Dodge uses rear wheel numbers, I doubt that. Don't get me wrong, I like the Ram with the Cummins, I tow 15000 pounds behind my 8000 pound Dodge, and it is a strain on some long hills, mine is bumped a little with a Smarty, but the 5. 9 is no 400 HP with 77? something pounds of torque, I know Cummins has versions of this engine that put out more I just hope they find a way to compete a little better next year, I do a lot of mountain towing, more would be a plus.

Unless the dyno was wrong, it appears that way.

 

[rscurtis]

Powder Extreme is correct in his opinion. Dodge is on the wrong side of history when it comes to urea. Additionally, I think the new Duramax has it right with the ninth injector for regeneration. Look at how often the new 6. 7 requires oil changes due to fuel dilution. All those extra oil changes will buy a lot of urea. My'03 goes 15-18K on an oil change, and when sampled, is nowhere the end of its service life. Having to dump 3 gallons of oil every 2-3 thousand miles is not progress in my opinion. Truth be told, if I was in the market for a new HD (which I'm not), I'd take a long hard look at the new Chevy/GMC now that they have brought the brakes, wheels and front end up to the Ford and the Dodge. And you won't have the problem with fuel dilution.

 

[Wingate]

I am currently driving a 2011 Ford... Having some "teething problems" with what appears to be software logic. . Keep getting nuisince CEL that clears itself after three key cycles. Got the first oil change, had them fill the UREA tank, took 2 gallons. Really not a big deal as long it will last as long as an oil change, then the dealer can do it and I won't have to worry about it. Fuel consumption is "sketchy". When the CEL comes on, it gets about 5 mpg, when the light resets itself, it gets about 8. 5 MPG. Trans. jumping out of gear seems to be gone, thinking maybe dealer added some fluid.

At first, i thought the UREA tank might be something that required alot of maintnenace, but really, its a non-issue.

I wish my 06 Dodge had as comfortable of seats as this Ford vinyl seated work truck!!!.

As for power, the F550 C&C is de-fueled to 300 hp. and torque is not advertised, just by a seat of the pants feel, its definitely better than the D-ax C4500's we got out of. I can actually maintain speed and go uphill!!!. .

Ford is having some software issues with the new platform, but hopefully they will work it out.

IMHO, you still can't compare the Cummins to the Ford/GM offerings. One needs to remember that the Isuzu and Ford are light duty puckup engines that have aluminum cylinder heads, plastic oil pans, and will be long gone when the Cummins 5. 9L and 6. 7L are getting their first major tune up. . The FORD and Isuzu engines are/were specifically designed for light duty trucks and some medium duty applications, (such as my F550) And for the most part, they fill that application well. The Cummins 5. 9L came from the industrial and power generation side of the market where its gotta pull rated HP at 100% duty cycle!!!. . Not just leaving a red-light and getting up to speed!!. So, while Ford guys may have the biggest HP #, and GM guys say they got the best torque#... I'll just keep my 3/4 ton 4x4 that gets 20+ MPG and can drag anything that I'll ever hook to!!!.

 

[HBarlow]

Personally, I wouldn't want a free Furd or Government Motors truck. I would be embarrassed to drive one and have people think I am stupid.

 

[SNiebaum]

FYI, Cummins went the heavy DPF and cooled EGR route so that they could meet the MY2010 emissions standards in 2007... they will be switching their emissions control systems on the next generation of the 6. 7L... . most likely you'll see urea like the MY2011 Dodge 3500/4500/5500 C&C trucks... I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see compound turbos and some advanced in-cylinder emissions control techniques. Cummins knows what they're doing on the engine design front.

It's still my understanding that part of what is holding the factory power numbers back has more to do with the drivetrain components from the flywheel back than it does the actual engine.

 

[Wingate]

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It's still my understanding that part of what is holding the factory power numbers back has more to do with the drivetrain components from the flywheel back than it does the actual engine.

This would seem much more logical than the idea that Cummins can't make the power... There is alot of balancing that goes on between cost to manufacture, durability, design space limitations, driven end durability, noise,etc.....