Dodge vs Ford

[buttugly]

Who really knows. . as a matter of fact I don't care. It's all in personal taste and eye appeal. I'm really sick of hearing "you drive a piece of s*** Dodge? As an owner of a manufacturing plant who makes auto and truck componants I can tell you there is NOT a MAJOR differance in spec's. Ford,DC,GM. Now if Toyota made a heavy duty diesel truck we might have a decision to make. After driving and testing cars and trucks for over 30 years all makes have there problems! I looked and drove all big 3 trucks. Just don't like exterior and ride height of GM. Just don't like interior and ride of Ford. 2001 Dodge (mine) just caught my eye. I'm sure all three will get you to and from point A. Some might be pretty. . some might ride better. . some might be a little faster. . but none are a piece of S***! Come on guys dump your egos and enjoy your rides!!

[This message has been edited by buttugly (edited 02-08-2001). ]

 

[FD5]

AMEN!!

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1995 2500, SLT Laramie, Xcab, auto, 3. 54, stock plate forward, Amsoiled throughout, dual by-pass filter, Amsoil Dealer, muffler and cat fell off, if you find them, there yours!!

 

[illflem]

I think as hard as it may be for folks here to admit the 24 valve Cummins engine has more than it's share of problems as far as diesels go though. Major problems at that,lift pumps,injection pumps and now turbos. I still wouldn't call it a POS though,but wouldn't own one,I like what I have.

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95' 25004X4,AT,Driftwood,Banks Stinger,Warn fender flairs and running boards(work truck)
95 3500,5 speed 3:54,BD E-brake,Driftwood,Banks&Psycotty,34,000 GCVW apple and tractor hauler(works harder truck)

 

[Max340]

Interesting, Lift pump is Cummins? FI pump is Bosch, and the turbo is Holset. How are these Cummins fault?

Is there a problem with the FI pump other than overdriving them with technology, which means they are operating above design parameter?

Turbos... Well, I have my own theory on this, as I have heard about it happening on other turbo's... .

Shaft flex due to hard shifting. Simply put, the shaft is put under high stress loads due to the hard run up of RPM, then the sudden drop, then the high run up, and sudden drop, etc. This flexes and eventually breaks the shaft in some hi-po Mopar 2. 2 setups, it would be no surprise to find it happening here. Again, is that Cummins fault?


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Y2K 2500 QC Sport 4x4 LWB
72 Dart 340
89 LeBaron GTC 2. 2 TI

 

[illflem]

Max,I feel it is Cummins fault if they choose to use inferior components on their engines.
The FI pump problem stems from poor machining on pump components that results in burrs that eventually break off and ruin the pump. I've heard this effects approximately 5% of the 24 valve FI pumps,that's way too much.

 

[Max340]

Originally posted by illflem:
Max,I feel it is Cummins fault if they choose to use inferior components on their engines.
The FI pump problem stems from poor machining on pump components that results in burrs that eventually break off and ruin the pump. I've heard this effects approximately 5% of the 24 valve FI pumps,that's way too much.

By whose standards? Where does the 5% figure come from? Lotsa loose facts with no answers here. .

As far as choosing inferior products, It entirely possible that Cummins had in mind a product that ran a fairly stable RPM, not the "hotrod" type driving that clearly goes on with these trucks. Seems to me that there are a bunch of unanswered questions before blame gets placed... . or better, a solution is implemented.

 

[Briar Hopper]

The lift pump is made by Carter... definitely a rinky-dink thing, they ought to get it built in Taiwan so it would get built right.
Wonder who makes these decisions to grace such a fantastic motor with such poor peripherals?

 

[buttugly]

As I said being a mfg. of car and truck components the big 3 have gotten into the habit of not checking parts from their suppliers... they rely on the suppliers to furnish them a 100% defect free part. Most of the time they rely on you and I for feedback. They ask for price reductions constantly, but their price goes UP. So I ask you ,how many bad components do you think get to us? It all goes back to a quality system.

 

[illflem]

buttugly,I don't think that as many faulty parts get to us as there would be if the manfs. weren't watching out for recall and warrenty issues.
I just wish they all could be like Toyotas. My '82 PU has 340k,and has only had the water pump,alt,and starter replaced,doesn't use a drop of oil. Wish Toyota would offer a full size diesel PU. If they did the big three would be out of the diesel PU market overnight.

 

[buttugly]

You are right! The US makes a good product,but Japan (my opinion) is a little better. We have come along way since the mid 70's. Example: Japan tests trannys for 400000 miles. We on an average test 70000 miles. All reflects quality. Still love my Dodge!!!!