Does Edge EZ leave any trace ?

[damon]

There has been a lot of talk about voided warrantys on our trucks once they are even slightly modified.



I have a brand new truck, and a 7/70 warranty that I would rather keep than void, but all of this common sense is battling against the other part of me that wants more power at any cost - because it's fun. So one of my first thoughts is to go with a mod that can be removed without a trace.



Is the Edge EZ really such a mod ? Does it leave any sort of codes or other means to recognize that it was there after it has been unplugged and removed from the engine compartment ?



So, am I looking for a way to improve power while 'playing' with DC and my warranty - you bet I am !



TIA

 

[BarryG]

The ez is easily unplugged and removed from the engine compartment except for the velcro strip if you use it. As far as the codes I have heard on here that they do leave their mark but that the dodge dealer cant see it but cummins can if they were to look for it. Sorry no definitive answer just heresay.

 

[BFC]

DC can see it! All they have to do is look at the parameters in the ECM, fueling, timing etc..... they probably never will but if the wanted too they can.



Same old thing, if you want to play, you have to be willing to pay. if you bomb your truck, repeat after me... . I am my own warranty station..... no way around it.



Glenn

 

[Sky]

I wouldnt sweat it. The edge is on and off in 2 min. And some dealers I hear will do anything to go after you I hear but 95% of them wont even know and some dont even care.

 

[WKener]

I would really assume it would all depend on the reason you bring the truck in for warranty work... .

If it comes to them for a small transmission problem, shifting in and out of OD or the like, they would not spend much time looking to see if you were using more fuel than normal. Now if you bring it in with some catastrophic failure, either engine or drivetrain related... Then I am sure they would do everything they could to void your warranty.

Put on the EZ and use common sense

 

[Wiredawg]

Discussion W/ Service Rep

Gents:



I had my 2000 2500 at the dealer for maintenance over a year ago and service rep was dicussing my power upgrades and potential warranty issues. At the time, I told him I had owned 7 Dodges and how i was treated would decide whether there would be 8. We ahd a meeting of the minds. he fixed my truck.



I now own my 8th Dodge. I'm reasonable though. I pretty much know if something I do causes a problem on the truck. Nothing I've done has caused problems/failures.



Wiredawg

 

[raf2000]

For a little piece of mind, you might try disconnecting BOTH positive leads from BOTH batteries for about 15 minutes while removing your EZ. My guess is that any stored parameters other than what's in the DC EEPROM will be gone the next time the sucker "boots up" Also, you WILL FRY your 47RE with an EZ. It will take a little longer if you have stock injectors but IT WILL go. I have 275's and EZ (DDTT) and lost the trans after about a month. BUT, I have 94K on the trans with 275's from a month old. It really depends on your driving habits but anyone thinking that they will "take it easy" with more power, try looking yourself in the mirror while saying it and note the sh_t eatin grin lookin back at you. You WILL $pay$ to play. The added power is TOO much for the TC and overdrive clutches, especially towing. IF you want power before your warranty expires, roll the dice BUT be prepared to spend 3-4K for a trans that can take the power... IMO

 

[o_mccarroll]

In my experience, it doesn't matter what you bring the vehicle in for. They hook it up and talk with the computer every time. I just took mine in for a leaky transfer case seal. When I called that afternoon they said they voided the warranty because the truck was dumping too much fuel and because of the Superlift Truspeed module, and couldn't fix the transer case under warranty. Of course, I couldn't really argue with the fueling, but I thought it was chicken I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER and there was no reason to even lift the hood to fix a leaky seal on a transfer case. My reply to the dealer: "Thank you. I will never have to set foot on a Dodge dealership again! Have a nice day and give me my damn keys. "



Pay to play, brothers. Remember that. You can't have it both ways. You want to keep your warranty, leave the damn thing alone.



I am my own warranty station... I am my own warranty station...

 

[duaneparks]

Originally posted by o_mccarroll

In my experience, it doesn't matter what you bring the vehicle in for. They hook it up and talk with the computer every time. I just took mine in for a leaky transfer case seal. When I called that afternoon they said they voided the warranty because the truck was dumping too much fuel and because of the Superlift Truspeed module, and couldn't fix the transer case under warranty. Of course, I couldn't really argue with the fueling, but I thought it was chicken I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER and there was no reason to even lift the hood to fix a leaky seal on a transfer case. My reply to the dealer: "Thank you. I will never have to set foot on a Dodge dealership again! Have a nice day and give me my damn keys. "



Pay to play, brothers. Remember that. You can't have it both ways. You want to keep your warranty, leave the damn thing alone.



I am my own warranty station... I am my own warranty station...

Which dealership was this? I live in the Houston area too, and I will avoid this dealer no matter what!



Thanks.



Duane

 

[Barry]

Two issues that I wish to address:



1. I have had the service tech in my truck with the DC scanner hooked up going down the road. We started off with the EZ unhooked (I unhooked it before I got to the dealership) and then stopped and hooked up the EZ away from the dealership. NO CODES with it off or on.



2. We need to stop getting ambushed by the service people. Y'all are not listening. There is strenght in numbers and we are not taking advantage of it. Let's put our money where our mouth is and start a legal fund and ask our aftermarket suppliers to contribute. We then retain a law firm to follow up on members who drive in and have their warranty blown away because of something the service manager did not like. They have to prove it was the aftermarket product that caused the failure.



3. I rest my case.



4. Is anyone listening or do y'all just want to sit there and whine????????

 

[o_mccarroll]

Duane -



Archer on the SW Fwy. If you're in Mo. City, I probably don't live far from you.





BTW, I would avoid Allen Samuels at all costs as well...



Otis.

 

[o_mccarroll]

Barry-



I don't know if I speak for everyone, but I can say that it is not worth my money to retain a lawyer to fight a warranty issue. I agree with you in principle. Let's stand and be heard! But when it comes to actually doing it, you've got to spend some money to make your point. Fact is, if I had the money, I'd spend it fixing the leaky seal on my transfer case.



You want strength in numbers? Prepare yourself for blasphemy. Buy a Ford or Chevy and let your local Dodge dealer know why they lost your business.



Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but the dealer will fix nothing under warranty once they have voided it for any reason, even items unrelated to the cause for voiding the warranty. In my case, one of the reasons they voided the warranty was the Truspeed module, which I can understand. That is totally unrelated to my transfer case, but I don't think I could have talked my way into getting it covered under warranty.

 

[Barry]

The cost of going it alone is scary, but if we all kicked in $25 and we get the vendors to kick in a grand or two, then retain a firm that will call the service mangler and explain to him the Mag-whats- a -fusion Act we could probably derail alot of this "shooting from the hip" warranty cancelation.

But, you are probably right. No body wants to get involved... ... ..... just whine.

 

[BFC]

Barry,



Sign me up, when, where? My 25$ are waiting.



Glenn

 

[WKener]

When you install an aftermarket product of some sort, the only warranty that is void, by law, is that of the component(s) you replaced. The exception to this rule, is when the aftermarket item directly caused the failure, and this must be proved.

However, good luck getting your dealer to honestly abide by this. They can claim that your enhanced fueling caused almost any failure, by putting excessive stress on the driveline for which it was not intended (you could associate pretty much any non-cosmetic failure to this).

Wes

 

[o_mccarroll]

Barry-



If you or anyone else wants to step up and make a stand against DC on this issue, I will gladly make a donation to the cause.



- The Whiner.

 

[duaneparks]

Originally posted by o_mccarroll

Barry-



If you or anyone else wants to step up and make a stand against DC on this issue, I will gladly make a donation to the cause.



- The Whiner.

Same here. I have a cousin that is a lawyer here in Houston. I'll ask him if he wants to take this on. Problem is, and I may be wrong on this, each state would need their own lawyer. A lawyer licensed, say, in TX wouldn't be able to practice in, say, CA. Just a thought.



Archer Dodge, huh? I've never had anything but good service from them. Heck, this is the 3rd Dodge I've bought from them. Guess I'll keep my eyes open a little more if I have to go back there.



Yep, I do live in Missouri City, down near Hwy 6 and Dulles. You live near there?



Duane

 

[TxDieselKid]

Originally posted by duaneparks



Archer Dodge, huh? I've never had anything but good service from them.

Archer quoted me $100 on some work before they even looked at my truck. They did not know what was wrong with it, but they said, well you gota get this done first so... . I said well how much was that, the guy said $100. I said see ya. He never even got up out of his chair when I was waiting for 5 minutes for someone to ask "You need some help?" Rude, and dissapointing was I.



Oh yea, turned out I didn't need that at all.



Andrew



P. S. I live just up 59 from yall at Gessner.

 

[TxDieselKid]

Originally posted by BFC

DC can see it! All they have to do is look at the parameters in the ECM, fueling, timing etc..... they probably never will but if the wanted too they can.

This is what I have always understood to be true. Even though they can see no visual signs of it, they can check the ECM. Cummins can see it even better because they have better software from what I understand.



Andrew

 

[Sky]

Originally posted by o_mccarroll



Pay to play, brothers. Remember that. You can't have it both ways. You want to keep your warranty, leave the damn thing alone.

Yes you can have it both ways. There are lost of dealerships who dont care. If its a direct problem relating maby but these guys who are just out to void warranties for anything is a crock and stay away from them. Stop buying vehicles there and stop all service and tell everyone you know too.