Don M's EDM injectors

[Jamie Attridge]

Got my new EDM's from Don M yesterday we were looking for something to run maxed out in the EGT range of the PDR 40 and he nailed it!

I installed them in about 45 mins last night (I was anxious) and out for a test drive!

I had a set of Dons honed stage 2's while Don reworked my Nozzles. So anyways out on the street. The injectors idle much more smoothly I noticed that first off. Smoke is typical of a dd 2 if you absolutely mash it on 5x5 from a dead stop any injector is gonna smoke at this point.

We all know when the smoke and it may bother some or others not at all but say from 50-MPH to 75 MPH I could smoke the honed 2's like crazy the EDM NO SMOKE when rolling into the throttle heavily that is a HUGE plus for me!

If you stand on it say in OD for the downshift this is my auto you get a small puff very small compared to the honed 2's



Now the HP!

Im sure you all are wondering and my apologies for taking so long I maybe should have started with this! As I don't have a dyno yet its seat of the pants well HP feels stronger then the honed 2's all along! I also noticed boost to be about 1PSI higher under WOT so more fuel! Now EGT's man these things are cold I was hitting 1400 + with the honed injectors these are 1300 maxed out running WOT up big hills and stuff.



These are truely excellent injectors and work perfectly!

 

[RSnaith]

I posted this follow-up to Jamie on another board, but thought I would fire it up here too:



We've had fantastic success with Don's Formula 1 EDM injectors. The EDM process, coupled with Don's own custom tip design, allows an injector to be built to much more precise flows and the spray patterns are spot on to what the 5. 9 Cummins needs to properly burn the fuel. Don also custom tunes each set of injector to the customers truck to ensure that you're getting the most bang for your buck.



The F1 injectors are available in following stages:

Mach 1. 5s - 80 HP

Mach 2 - 100 HP

Mach 3 - 125 HP

Mach 4 - 150 HP

Mach 5 - 160 HP



In addition to the above stages, Don can build a set that will notch you in between the power levels, should you decide you want it.



As for results on the street, we've found that a set of F1 injectors will smoke about the same (in some cases, less) as a set of extrude honed injectors a size down. For example, the Mach 2's at 100 HP will smoke about the same as a stage 2 extrude honed injector (80 HP). The bottom end/mid range torque of an F1 injector will also be higher than a comparable extrude honed injector. As an example, the Mach 3's will deliver about 150 lbft more torque at 1800 RPM than a set of 125HP extruded injectors.



Strip performance is also great. One of our customers is running a set of Mach 3s, KSB1B, PM3 Comp, BD RAD, ATS transmission with EmJay controller, and he's turning in 8. 33 1/8s and 1. 76 60 foot times with 285 tires. Now if he wouldn't sleep at the light (right, Meach? ) those times would be down to an 8. 1 1/8th and probably a 1. 74 60 foot.



Our customers have also had some pretty good luck in the sled dragging areas. Another customer/dealer in the east, running an older set of Mach 4s (not as refined as the current Mach 4s), PM3 Comp, KSB1B, and DTT trans with EmJay controller took a 3rd place with his street driven truck against trucks running twins, nitrous, tires and ladder bars.



Sorry for the fairly lengthy post, but if you're looking at injectors, I _heavily_ recommend you look closely at Don's Formula 1s. They average about $100 more than a comparable set of extrude hones, but the product is worth every penny



Rod

 

[Jamie Attridge]

Good info my friend!

 

[Pit Bull]

Good info plus Don M is a great guy.

So if you had the stock HO CTD and just added the Mach 2's would that be equal to what? Think the stock NV5600 clutch would hold it? What would a set run?



Example - compare the Mach 2's - to adding DD2's and an EZ?

 

[Jamie Attridge]

Mach 2's = More HP



Off Don's site



Prices are as follows:

Mach 1 60HP $ 500. 00

Mach 1. 5 80HP $ 700. 00

Mach 2 100HP $ 800. 00

Mach 3 125HP $ 900. 00

Mach 4 150HP $ 1000. 00

Mach 5 160HP $ 1200. 00

 

[RSnaith]

Originally posted by Pit Bull

So if you had the stock HO CTD and just added the Mach 2's would that be equal to what? Think the stock NV5600 clutch would hold it? What would a set run?



Example - compare the Mach 2's - to adding DD2's and an EZ?

Its kind of a moot point, as the stocker clutch won't hold either combination, but the DD2s and EZ would probably give you a 140HP boost (all the standard disclaimers apply here Oo. ). A set of Mach 2's would give you a 100 HP boost, and Don would ensure that you get that 100, as he builds based on truck setup and your elevation. A boost fooler would be needed to make use of the fuel, and I would heavily recommend looking at a fueling box to mate to the injectors.



Rod

 

[Jamie Attridge]

Don't ya Just love these EDM's Rod they rock! Anything lined up foe the 03 yet?

 

[Pit Bull]

Originally posted by Jamie Attridge

Mach 2's = More HP



Off Don's site



Prices are as follows:

Mach 1 60HP $ 500. 00

Mach 1. 5 80HP $ 700. 00

Mach 2 100HP $ 800. 00

Mach 3 125HP $ 900. 00

Mach 4 150HP $ 1000. 00

Mach 5 160HP $ 1200. 00

Thanks, what is Don's site address?

 

[Jamie Attridge]

www.f1diesel.com

 

[RSnaith]

Originally posted by Jamie Attridge

Anything lined up for the 03 yet?

Don's got some designs ready, and he'll be starting the actual building fairly soon. As for a release date, it would only be a guesstimate at this point.



Rod

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

Now if he wouldn't sleep at the light (right, Meach? ) those times would be down to an 8. 1 1/8th and probably a 1. 74 60 foot.

Rod, just an FYI. Your reaction time has no bearing on your E/T at the dragstrip. The timing for your E/T doesn't start until you've left the line. You could get the green and sit there for 3 seconds and still run the same E/T as you would if you cut a perfect . 500 light. When I am dialing in a new vehicle at the strip I will basically ignore the tree and take my time to launch after the green (running 2 second lights, etc). Then once I get the launch and run down then I start working on the tree. This is most commonly misunderstood thing about times at the dragstrip - I raced for over a year before I understood it.



What will effect your E/T is how deep you stage. If you just barely get into the 2nd light as opposed to deep staging where the first light goes out you will see a . 1 second difference in the 1/4.

 

[TomGolden]

Ok, now that EDM nozzles are back in the spotlight on these forums, I will ask my question. You can see what I have in my sig. If I went from my DD3's to say a Mach 5 set, how badly would that affect towing? To be specific, I don't tow very often, maybe a couple times a year, and even then it isn't too heavy. My dad has a 4x4 Toyota pickup that we tow with my truck to go hunting in, and fully loaded, I am guessing his Toy weighs in the neighborhood of 4 - 5000 pounds, max of 6K I'd think. When I tow his truck, and mine is bed level full as well, I see EGTs as high as 1100* even going up slight grades at 70 MPH, Comp on 2x3. Whereas my normal EGTs on the same roads is usually 900* or less. Obviously towing increases EGTs and 1100* isn't dangerous, but like I said, this is up slight grades, like 4%. To be specific, my parents live in the southern California Mojave desert, and to go anywhere, we startout on highway 15 and go through Las Vegas, and those are the roads I am referring to.



Now, on some trips through Utah, Colorado, etc. , we might easily see much steeper grades than 4%, and I don't want to have to drop down to 5th or even 4th gear so I don't melt things...



I do not [yet] have my head/block O-ringed either, and my HX40 is bone stock, not a PDR or KwikKurt modified HX40. I know a modded -40 would also make a significant difference, but if I'm gonna spend $$ on a new turbo, it ain't gonna be another puny little -40... .



Of course, I would likely keep my DD3's, and I could just change out the EDMs when I need to tow... oh well, tis only money.

 

[RSnaith]

Originally posted by Steve St. Laurent

Rod, just an FYI. Your reaction time has no bearing on your E/T at the dragstrip.

Thanks for clearing that up (actually confusing me more, but thats for another thread ), Steve. I've never been involved with bracket racing at all, just casual heads-up at run what you brung events. Even during my sled racing days, all the sled associations used heads-up.



With your knowledge of drag racing and diesels, how do you feel about the times I was posting there? We felt that 0-60 time was pretty good, for what is really a relatively mildly done diesel truck.



Rod

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

Those times are good. My truck runs 10. 5's in the 1/8th which equates out to 16. 0's in the 1/4 with 60 ft times around 2. 1 - that's launching in 2wd and with a manual. The fastest guys running 12's will run 60 ft times in the 1. 6 range I believe.



As to the lights and times the tree and slips work the same whether in heads up or in bracket racing (other than the lead time one lane gets in bracket racing). It's pretty easy to understand really. When you are staged you are breaking a light beam with your front tires. Once you move and that light beam is unbroken (there's not a tire in the way) the clock starts.

 

[dresslered]

When you are staged you are breaking a light beam with your front tires.

I heard that at one event that there was so much black smoke the light beam wouldn't break! Gave some pretty good times.

 

[TomGolden]

Originally posted by dresslered

I heard that at one event that there was so much black smoke the light beam wouldn't break! Gave some pretty good times.

Yes, I have heard the same thing several times when a certain West Coast based Red Rocket was racing... I have seen said truck chase away unsuspecting timing light operators as well :-{} :-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[RSnaith]

Originally posted by TomGolden

You can see what I have in my sig. If I went from my DD3's to say a Mach 5 set, how badly would that affect towing? To be specific, I don't tow very often, maybe a couple times a year, and even then it isn't too heavy.

The Mach 5s are a 150 pony injector, and could never be run with a single turbo (unless we're talking a massive, dyno only turbo) truck and still be really streetable. However, the same can be said for _any_ 150 HP injector. The biggest we're running with a single right now are Mach 4s, and can be safely towed with when the box is dropped to level 1 or so. We're running these with a KSB1B (very tight housing), so if we were to run with a KSB1 or full B1, the power on the box could probably be bumped up a couple levels.



As a side note, with a single turbo truck, I really don't like seeing much above Mach 3s (125HP) installed on a street driven truck. Smoke can controlled with 4s to the point where you'll get a puff when leaving the line, but you do have to be careful. As much I like seeing the black coal pouring from the tailpipe, it will hurt us as the EPA and local bylaws really start to crack down on our industry.



And a final note: As I was writing this message, Don called me bubbling like a little kid at Christmas time. Nathan Wright (I think he's a member here) just pulled a 644 HP (uncorrected, 60F, 2200 ft) run with his Mach 6 equipped truck, DRAG Comp, HX40/B2 twins, STOCK VP44). Corrected numbers bring that to 700 ponies even, so as far as I know, Nate now has the highest pony, stock VP44 equipped truck on the street. Congrats Nate.



Rod

 

[Idaho CTD]

Originally posted by RSnaith



And a final note: As I was writing this message, Don called me bubbling like a little kid at Christmas time. Nathan Wright (I think he's a member here) just pulled a 644 HP (uncorrected, 60F, 2200 ft) run with his Mach 6 equipped truck, DRAG Comp, HX40/B2 twins, STOCK VP44). Corrected numbers bring that to 700 ponies even, so as far as I know, Nate now has the highest pony, stock VP44 equipped truck on the street. Congrats Nate.



Rod

Yes sheep boy I'm a member here too and it was 700. 1hp and 646. 8hp uncorrected @ 77* dyno temp and 2700ft elevation . I believe that puts me dead even with Nowells may madness numbers. I guess a new set of twins and another set or two of nozzles is in my immediate future. Before long a super hot vp might just push me over 800hp. I guess us inferior pump guys CAN actually make some hp too huh?

 

[propuller]

Hey Rod did ya forget about my 4. 8s & i got a single charger. I dont have enough air for these nozzles so rod is right these are to big for a single charger. With my box off they are very streetable & smoke very little but turn the box on & i can turn day into night behind me. These injectors work very very very good with my nitrous setup,all that fuel with a shot of nitrous & 600 horse is easily reached. I cant wait in 2 weeks my block will be oringed & the twins will be on so get me a set of them Don M mach 6 nasty Nate nozzles comin. Oo. Oo. . Kurt.

 

[RSnaith]

Originally posted by Idaho CTD

Yes sheep boy I'm a member here too and it was 700. 1hp and 646. 8hp uncorrected @ 77* dyno temp and 2700ft elevation .

#@$%! That stinkin' Morrison anyway. He needs to change his socks more often, 'cause I think the fumes are getting to him.



Sorry for posting the wrong info, Tater Tot.