Don't go with Banks

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I got the Banks exhaust, turbo, and gauges for my 92. The performance increase was barely noticable if at all. So save the money and get a 16cm housing for a couple hundred bucks, do the fuel injection yourself and have a local shop make an exhaust. You'll be much happier and spend a lot less money.

 

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You must have another problem if you don't notice a difference with Banks,sure you got the cam plate in the right place?Plugged fuel filter?Banks wouldn't sell as many kits as they do if they didn't work. It was a night and day difference adding Banks to my two 12 valvers,I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Your alternative may be cheaper but then you need to go to at least three places instead of one for parts,the Banks is an engineered system that won't tear up your your transmission nor void your warranty.

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95' 25004X4,AT,Driftwood,Banks Stinger,Warn fender flairs and running boards(Play truck)95 3500,5 speed,Driftwood,Banks&Phscotty,34,000 GCVW apple and tractor hauler(work truck)

 

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as far as warrenty haaaaaa!
second its a 92, doesn't have a camplate. Giver another turn on the fuel screw I'm sure that'll give you what you could have got for free and all you wanted. By the way a 1st gen cant really fuel enough to go past a 12 housing that we all have in abundance from our hotrods.

 

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Yep,my fault for reading too fast,missed the '92 part.

 

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Yep, I agree. Even though I've never experienced the Banks kit, I have no complaints with my setup #ad
If your good (like me) you don't even have to pay the local muffler shop for an exhaust-just go to the big rig shop and get some big 'ol pipes and clamp 'em together! I see to many powerstrokes around here with banks stickers anyway, makes me think of them.

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• '93 250 LE 4x4 5spd 4:10 Loaded,dual 5" chrome stacks,12cm² turbo,PW injectors,K&N,pyro/boost,US Gear E-Brake,tool box,CB,10" AR rims, 285/75/16 Bf goodrich. "wirenut_21529" on Yahoo Messenger
• '96 Ford B-Series school bus (5. 9 Cummins!)I'm gonna Bomb it!
• '94 GMC 2500 6. 5L Turbo

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IMHO Banks and Dr Phony ( did I spell that right) First the claim of not voiding Warranties #ad
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Second save your money. . Research TDR and talk through Emails and go to the Truck events... . Find out from the Consumers not the Performance Manufactures what works on your truck.

Then for the same price you pay for the "Complete kits with Warranty proof Installations" You can get more Hp and BomB your transmission too. .

Not to mention what you'll learn about your truck as fellow Cummin Bombers help you install your parts for "Beer and Brauts"
Verses most shops that don't want you around asking questions while they have your Baby tore apart.

I am not saying that they do not have a good product. . If you want a "Turn Key" type of install and a big checkbook it might be a good way to go for some people...


Wirenut... as for all the Pfhords with the banks system. . If they exercised good jugement they would be driving a Cummins #ad
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I totally agree with all the guys here. The Banks stuff would have cost me $2500 for less of a horsepower increase (sans intercooler for comparison). To date I have spent about $800 for a 75Hp increase, 600 of which had to be done anyway (injectors) due to some sticking. OK you can add the $63Cdn for the TDR but the rest of the mods were all learned here and worked exactly like they were explained. The Cummins is so easy to modify that consulting Banks is not cost effective. I still get a kick out of one guys handle $BANKS$rupted #ad
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Jeh

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Jason Hoffman
Lil' Mack - 89 D250LE 5 Spd 3. 54 Reg Cab. K&N,"tweaked pump", BD Injectors, Banks Pyro/Boost, 3. 5" Exst tail section straight. E&M Custom seats. Bosch H4, PIAA 80W/80W HdLites. 100W Drv,55W Fogs. 232,500 miles (372,000 Kms) 7700 Hrs. Cummins Power Booster member.
The Original Turbo Diesel

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TO each his own... I have the Banks stuff indicated below in my sig - and KNOW FOR A FACT that I picked up 15 MPH pulling my 25 ft 5th wheel up the same Sierra grades prior to the Banks mods - pretty much the same as adding one full gear to the transmission! I did this WITHOUT any reduction in overall fuel consumption, and am VERY satisfied with both the Banks and US Gear additions to my truck.

I have little doubt there MAY be specific individual setups and reasons for variations in benefits received, and it falls to the user to intelligently apply ANY mod to their vehicle if they are to receive what they expect from it...

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Early '91 250, 727 AT, 307 rear... Banks Stinger exhaust, intercooler... US Gear OD... MORE than a match for every new PS Ford encountered so far...

 

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I also have a Banks system and couldn't be happier. It really woke the truck up. I would call Banks directly and tell them you circumstance. We had a Ford that we installed a new kit in and never got any increase. What Banks found was that every time they had brought it in for transmission work, they reprogrammed the ECM. When we got it, it had a code that they had never seen. Two or three weeks later they had a solve for it, a new chip.

Now I know that the 92 cummins is different than a Pherd, they have been very helpful with problems. They seemed to go the extra mile.

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96 Long bed EC, Banks Twin Ram, BD TC, BD EB, BD VB, Mag Hytec Pans, Warn 8000# winch, TJM Bull Bar, Speedliner, Katzkin Leather kit, K&N Filter, Trailmaster 2" Lift, 35BFG ATKO's, Kodiak Sidewinder Steps, Reflexion Cowl Hood, Autometer Guages, Horton Clutch Fan, PIAA Superwhites, Optima Red Tops, BD Pressureloc, BD Torquloc, Psycotty Air.....

 

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Wade, sorry for the off topic question, but I noticed in your sig that you are running 35" tires with a 2" lift. Any clearance probs? What size wheels with what offset?

Thanks, Duke

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95 2500,std cab,4x4,auto by Dunrite,TST #4,AFC spring kit,Pier's gov spring kit, timing @ 15*, 215 injectors, Walker muff, 3. 54,Diprocol gauges in cupholder slot, K&N,Optima reds, Valentine One radar deflector,Diamond utility bed, Firestone air bags, custom 52 gal aux tank under bed.

 

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Don't have any clearance problem really. I have the new Sidewinders by Weld. They seem to be a pretty good whell but stick out a bit farther than my previous wheels. I do rub a little bit, but not on the fender, but I did a rigid mount with my mud flaps and I put the nut and bolt in the perfect spot. Rubs at just the right angle when pulling out of the driveway.

I also put the heaviest springs that DC makes for the wieght of the bumper and winch etc. Ride is just as good.

 

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Here's the deal. If you don't mess with the fuel injection you don't get the performance, period. It has nothing to do with Banks equipment and they don't say anything about fuel injection modification for first generation trucks in their advertisments. I had a problem with their gauges and it took me 6 months get it straight. Twice I faxed Gail Banks personnally and recieved no reply at all, none, zippo. How's that for customer service?

If you want performance in a first generation rig get a 16cm turbo and work the pump yourself for $200 unless you feel compelled to spend over $1000 for the same thing. How much did you "Banks is great" guys spend? I'm just trying to save somebody the headache.

 

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I noticed my 5 year old Banks EGT gauge was reading 100°high yesterday. They said send the old one back and we'll send a new,no questions. That's hard to beat in my book.

 

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"Twice I faxed Gail Banks personnally and recieved no reply at all... "

Well shucks there's yer problem right THERE! You shoulda' faxed *GALE* Banks - Gail is his daughter, and can't help ya in the LEAST! #ad


on the OTHER hand, faxing the owner, who just MIGHT be on vacation on another continent isn't the smartest thing to do - any more than faxing the president of GM in order to get a replacement filter element for yer air cleaner - not especially HIS function ya see, and HE might be outta the country at the time as well...

NOW, I COULD be wrong, but *I* suspect you are pretty much a disgruntled customer who wouldn't be satisfied if Banks refund double yer money, shot all their service personel, and burned down their factory... But I could be wrong... #ad


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Early '91 250, 727 AT, 307 rear... Banks Stinger exhaust, intercooler... US Gear OD... MORE than a match for every new PS Ford encountered so far...

 

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To each his own I guess. I have a Banks on my 92, 2000, and had it on my 99 DORF. I'm a happy camper with Banks. Yes they are high $$$ But Works fine for me. Just my $. 02 Mike

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92 Std cab. LE. 215 P-pump reman cummins motor. 5-speed, 3. 54, 105 gal Aux tank in bed. Borgeson shaft, Banks Power pack. 12cm Hot end housing w/wastegate. 4" Exh, Pyro & boost guage, oil temp guage. E-brake. Galaxy DX99V, Used as a Hotshot/express Reg. at 36,000 lbs in 48 states. Custom built DOT approved Sleeper unit. & Texas Star 400 http://hometown. aol.com/hotshothauler/myhomepage/business.html 2000, 3500 being setup for Hotshot work as we speak. 9500 miles todate
2000 FL-70 Pulling a 48' low boy.

 

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Wow butch, didn't realize that spending money was the ultimate no no in tricking out your truck.

I agree also that you seem a litle disappointed in what you recieved and expected to recieve with a Banks kit.

There are many ways to go in BOMBing your truck. I and many others chose the Banks way of doing it, probably not so much for price, but reliability factor. There is no disputing that adding certain different components, TST, BD, etc, will gain you the same results, but is comes in a cleaner all in one package with Banks.

Furthermore, I would caution anyone to REWORK the pump themselves. Research and feedback should be a greater factor in a decision than that of dollar amount.

 

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Originally posted by Gary - KJ6Q:
TO each his own... I have the Banks stuff indicated below in my sig - and KNOW FOR A FACT that I picked up 15 MPH pulling my 25 ft 5th wheel up the same Sierra grades prior to the Banks mods - pretty much the same as adding one full gear to the transmission! I did this WITHOUT any reduction in overall fuel consumption, and am VERY satisfied with both the Banks and US Gear additions to my truck.


Okay since you messed with someone about Gale Vs Gail Banks I just had to ask what the H_LL does " I did this Without any reduction in overall fuel consumption" Mean?? A reduction in fuel consumption would mean you are getting better MPG are you bragging that your not getting better mileage and are proud of it???

 

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Butch,
I seems fairly evident to me that there is a problem with the injection pump adjustment that should accompany the installation of the product. There are detailed steps in the Owners Manual that came with the system that outline the pump adjuctment. Who did the installation? I would like to put you or the installer in touch with on of our Technical Assistance representatives. I think that addressing the adjustment of the pump will probably correct your lack of power. Our toll free Technical Service number is (888) 839-2700.

It is unfortunate that you have had a bad experience with Customer Service. We have been putting a lot of energy into improving that area of our company. Perhaps the addition of our Technical Service department as mentioned above would help you resolve some of your past problematic issues.

One thing that I think is important to point out is that all of our systems are engineered specifically to meet your power and fuel economy needs, as well as remaining emissions compliant, and maintaining the longevity of your Cummins engine. I realize that for most people emissions are a non-issue, but someday it will be more regulated for diesels everywhere and we want to still be around when it is.

 

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I looked at Banks and would have gone with them had it not been the cost. I've done almost the same thing (minus new turbo housing)with my set up for about $1,700 that I would have had to pay almost $3K for with the Banks system. Had Banks been $1K cheaper, I probably woulda gone with them. My mileage didn't change even though i use that increased torque lots.

Wiredawg

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2000 4X4 SLT QC 8' bed; 6 spd, 3. 54 ; BD exhaust brake and 4" exhaust syst; TST PM2; Airlift Super Duty rear air bags; RS 9000 shocks; pyro/boost gauges in 2 gauge a-pillar mount; back preasure gauge mounted under dash; KN air filter; Brown's Welding brush/grill guard, rear bumper & headache rack; nerf bars and aluminum roll top rear cover, Warn front receiver and Hadley air horns

 

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PeterT,

"One thing that I think is important to point out is that all of our systems are engineered
specifically to meet your power and fuel economy needs, as well as remaining emissions
compliant, and maintaining the longevity of your Cummins engine"

I am interested in having you specifically engineer a system for me. My fuel and power requirements are on the high side. Economy isn't nearly as much of a concern. Also, I'm fairly emission tolerant so don't let that be a factor. I guess that performance is my goal. I feel the Cummins engine is pretty durable without any help so we don't need to belabor this point. Please advise me as to the maximum performance you can provide me in terms of rear wheel horsepower based on dyno results for my specifically engineered system.