dse in truck 04-05 CTD

[67guzzler]

I just think it's important to note that DSE isn't SVO or WVO. It's a blend. Blending is controversial because the blends themselves can vary. One can have great results and another can have injector buildup and coking. But blending is in no way the same thing as SVO or WVO.



DSE is more than just blending #2 diesel and Oil. As a matter of fact, the premier suggested forumula has a ratio of 20 oil, 2 kero and 1 rug w/DSE and Diesel Kleen. This isn't WVO or SVO. It's a blend. It's also important to note that this blend does not include #2 diesel. #2 diesel blended with oil has been reported by a few on the other boards to cause the mysterious white film, hard crystals in the fuel filter and injector buildup. Those who used RUG along with the oil reported that they got a more complete burn. This is what I've read. I'm not making these statements based upon first hand knowledge.



I've noticed that because there is no proof that blends work to avoid the pitfalls of WVO / SVO, people make up tons of stuff both pro and con. But it's frustrating to read people to refer to DSE as WVO / SVO. It's not.

 

[cj hall]

back from road trip

Hello all

Got back from road trip sunday night first tank of fuel (dse blend at 100 %) I got 13. 5 miles to the gallon pulling a 4 horse trailer then switched to #2 fuel and it droped to 11. 2 miles per gallon then it came back up to 11. 8 at the end of the trip. (3155 miles in three days I need a bigger tank)

More info to be posted later tonight if I get a chance

 

[csnider]

Cj,

thanks for the updates. Does your #2 mpgs from your trip compare to your previous #2 mpgs before you started using the DSE blend? Also when you filled up with #2 on your trip how much DSE blend was still in your tank before you stopped heating your filter(if you did)?

Does anyone know if this heated fuel practice is damaging to my first gen VE pump. I know they are not as durable as the P7100. .

Once again, thanks Cj for all your updates... .

Chuck

 

[cj hall]

hello all

the mpg are down becuse of the winter blend fuel I went to Malta Mt today 80 mph up and back 412 miles round trip truck using #2 fuel getting 17. 5 mpg

not to bad

Went to the diesel place today going to dino the 04 next monday at 1. 00 pm

on #2 fuel then on dse blend this should tell me if iam down on hp /torque

as far as the filters go there stock filters not heated nothing . The heated filters are used for svo not for dse blend fuel when we refueled in Rapid City we put in 33. 091 gallons so there was about 3 gallons left in the tank the next time we filled up was in mitchel sd 26. 65 gallons and so on so there was not much fuel left it returned to the loud diesel truck in no time.

hope this helps

more post;s to come

cj hall

 

[cj hall]

back on dse blend

no go on the dyno time they broke some thing didn't tell me what is was

just found out today said they will call when it's running

back on dse blend fuel as of 11/19/05

thinking about running for 1000 miles then pulling out one or two of the injectors to see if any thing is going wrong other than that the truck is running great back to the diesel truck that smells like a BBQ when running

 

[cj hall]

dse fuel

Hello all

I was at the dodge dealer today they have a 05 ctd in the shop with a #6 piston bore scored the only thing is that this truck is stock no chip no power box nothing (NO MODS). they did not know what caused this to happen cummins was not sure what happened . if you look at the walls of the rest of the bores it looks to me as if the fuel injection is putting to much fuel in to the motor and its washing the walls down this truck is a farm truck and farmers are use to letting there trucks idle for long periods of time! the person working on the truck said that this was about the 14 truck (all 05's )they have seen and have replaced the engine . (this scares me!!!!)



yes my 04 is running great on dse fuel no problems and I think is person might help me pull the injectors on my truck to see if there are any problems starting . I will let you know that we find

 

[cj hall]

dse fuel 11/28/2005

This weekend it got cold and it snowed, no problems starting or running lows in the low 20's changed fuel filter sat night would not rev up over 2500 rpms way down on power, dirty filter at about 5000 miles sence last change. not sure if its my fuel or road trip might have got in to dirty fuel will keep checking filter to see if this goes away. also added more kero for winter 3 gallons in 30 gallon mix

Small trip to Malta, Mt to pick up freind, 412 miles RT , mileage should be at 17 to 18 mpg, Maybe better lets hope.

Will post after I get home.

 

[cj hall]

update on 05 truck in shop

the milage on the truck is 48000 miles I ask how many hr's did it idle, they just said a lot, something is not right and I think there keeping it to themself

 

[cj hall]

dse blend fuel in winter

Hello

The fuel at 100% no other fuel added will not work at 14 deg's it gels up will run at 18 deg's but is hard to get any power out of if you mix the fuel with #2 at 75 /25 its good as far as i can tell the best is 50 / 50 mix

Its 16 degs to day and I have a 75 /25 mix in the truck and it's running great

yesterday I went to Malta Mt 412 miles rt from Billings Mt temps in the low 20's

Fuel mix was at 90% dse 10% winter blend diesel it ran fine and got great millage 19. 5 on the way up and 18. 5 on the way back faster speed on the way back at times also 4 wheel drive for about 100 miles slower in four wheel

75 mph upon cruise control and 85 mph back four wheel drive at 65 mph, yes its montana the roads can be faster in winter the pot holes fill up with snow and you can go faster.

Testing fuel mix this week to find out jell points also testing additives for changing the jell points will keep you posted.

thanks

 

[Msilbernagel]

Testing fuel mix this week to find out jell points also testing additives for changing the jell points will keep you posted.

thanks

Thanks for allowing us to follow along as you try this stuff out, and to learn along with you!



Mark

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[cj hall]

dse fuel blend cold test

hello

went to the store and bought 10 mason jars and put dse fuel in each jar 1 0z to 10oz

then filled the jars with #2 fuel (winter blend) up to the 10 oz each jar

10 jars with fuel blends from 10% to 100% dse blended fuel will be taking them outside for the night then in the am will see what has happened to all the mixes and post back in the am then i will test some antijell in the mixes and test some more also will be posting some pic of the fuel

(anti jell will be tested with #2 summer fuel if i can find some)

this fuel is from a batch i made last weekend dse standard mix plus 3 more gallons of kero for winter use also this is the fuel that did jell up on me tuesday when the temp was at 14 deg's but did run me up to malta and back

with the addition of 5 gallons of #2 diesel (winter blend) in my 35 gallon tank

temp outside is 9 degs taking the fuel out

will post later tonight then in the am

 

[JCrockett]

CJ great thread. Sounds like things are working out ok. Do you live in MT? That is where I am originally from.



On edit: Just ordered the info packet, have to see how well it works.

 

[cj hall]

dse fuel test

wow its cold here

5 deg's , looked at the samples this am. Will post some pic's of them

Think this will work in the winter time with some thinking .

at work for a few, off to get some antijell looking for the best to buy.



j crockett yes Billings Mt

If you build a unit take a look at the one I made, FILTER SYSTEM DONE

three pages in on this topic.

good luck

 

[cj hall]

fuel test #1

the pic are of the jars with dse fuel blend/ from left to right 10% to 100% mix with #2 fuel

10 to 70 % at 5 deg was fine this am but from 80 to 100% was solid and as it got warmer the 80% mix came back also the 100% unfroze faster than the 90% fuel did



iI think that a 50/50 mix should be good for the cold thats what i will start running today.

also the next test will be the last two pic's it looks like one maker that I found is working on making a antijell for bio fuel and that it will work in veg oil and veg oil blends lets hope so.

 

[cj hall]

Dse Fuel In Winter

Hello All

trying to test on samples of fuel starting out with the bio fuel stuff first

the first thing i do is pull up the msds sheets on these prouducts this is the best think to do with any product your going to try.

http://www.fppf.com/msds/msds_BioDWT.pdf

the bio fuel mix is nothing more then ind grade solvents the same stuff almost that is in dse additive

it says that its good for 20 bio fuel but it mixes with veg oil great

the co says thay can blend a mix for your needs (aka a custom mix) I will be calling them this week to find out more.

have to mix some fuel tonight so I can test in the cold should be -8 wed night this will give me what I need to find out if it works.

some fuel outside for the last three days temp have been 5 to 18 degs and the 100% mix with 5 time's the amount of bio antijell has not frozen its still a liquid but it's is very thick

the rest of the jars have the right amount of aditive in them for 20% bio fuel and they are better that the test before nothing has frozen.

more posts to come after wed night

 

[cj hall]

fuel dse blend

last night -5 tonight should be -10 or lower

lets hope this works

 

[cj hall]

Hello all

The fuel is still a liquid it got down to -14 and I think in bigger amounts it should be fine

also called FPPF and the faxed me a copy of what biodiesel things they have tested the person I need to talk to is swamped with calls . will call after it gets a little warmer.

If you want a copy of that, you can call them or I could fax you what they faxed me. 6 pages

The info is the pros and cons of using bio what it is and what it does to fuel lines and other rubber parts ,and how to use it in the winter time. Very good reading

looking to be cold tonight

thanks for looking

more posts later

 

[Msilbernagel]

I just think it's important to note that DSE isn't SVO or WVO. It's a blend. [... ] DSE is more than just blending #2 diesel and Oil. As a matter of fact, the premier suggested forumula has a ratio of 20 oil, 2 kero and 1 rug w/DSE and Diesel Kleen.

On that subject (blending) - I ran across this today (below). It referenced the use of RUG as a potential problem w. r. t. flash-point.



I read someone's post in the past few days where the heating effect of recirculating fuel (as it cools the high-pressure fuel pumps in our Cummins) had heated his fuel, in-tank, in excess of 160F (about 1/4 tank). He probably had some other things going on, but imagine that scenario with low flash-point additives mixed in?



It's just another thing to consider when weighing the use of blending with SVO/WVO against the effort of making or the cost of purchasing biodiesel.



Diesel Fuel Discussions



Here are a few notable quotes:



"Adding kerosene and gasoline to diesel can have dramatic, adverse effects on the flash point, with minimal gains in the flow properties if the fuel already contains flow-improving additives. Regardless of what other people may advise, check your insurance policies before embarking on experimentation. These days, assessors for both vehicle and insurance companies these days are far more aware of the signs of the dilution of expensive diesel fuel by cheaper lower flash fuels. "



"Thirdly, diesel in many countries has a legal minimum flash point ( the minimum temperature it must attain to produce sufficient vapours to ignite when a flame is applied. In all cases it's usually well above ambient ( 60C+, kerosene is 37C+, whereas gasoline is typically below -30C ), and anybody mixing a lower flash point fraction with diesel will usually void all insurance and warranties on the vehicle. The recent increase in blending fuels has resulted in significantly more frequent analyses of fuel tank contents from diesel vehicle fires. "



So - be careful out there!! Especially as summer arrives.



Regards,



Mark

 

[cj hall]

ok

But biodiesel is made with alky or enthenol what are their flash points?

as far as ins companys they are all blood sucking scum. if they can find a way to not pay they make more money,not much better than the oil companys or the govt. blending or not one thing wrong and their not paying

thats just the way it is. .

 

[Msilbernagel]

But biodiesel is made with alky or enthenol what are their flash points? as far as ins companys they are all blood sucking scum. if they can find a way to not pay they make more money,not much better than the oil companys or the govt. blending or not one thing wrong and their not paying

thats just the way it is. .

I tend to agree with you on the insurance companys, but you can't blame them for being a bit gun shy after being ripped off so often. Even here on TDR you hear people discussing how they remove the aftermarket equipment before heading in for warranty work that seems related to the effects of their bombing. Truth is, those insurance companies have some cause to be careful too.



The methanol (or ethanol, etc) used to make biodiesel is 'used up' in the conversion to produce the final (Methy or Ethyl Ester) product. Excess alcohols are removed during washing, so no free alcohol is left.



Flashpoint of biodiesel is higher than #2 diesel when correctly manufactured.



For example: (Reference Yokayo Biofuels)



"Flashpoint - The lowest temperature in °C at which a liquid will produce enough vapor to ignite, if the vapor is flammable. The lower the flashpoint, the higher the risk of fire. Biodiesel has an abnormally high flashpoint (for a fuel), making it very safe to handle and store. Where diesel #2's flashpoint is standardized at 60°-80° C, biodiesel's standard is 100°-170° C. "



When you land on the right mix for the DSE, you might try and figure out what the flashpoint of the finished product is, just so you have a better idea of the risks.



Since cars run with RUG at 100%, you know that gas alone isn't the danger. At the same time, they don't have fuel pumps generating the kind of pressure diesels do, that I know of.



My only point is to be careful - when I saw the references today, it simply brought another factor to light for consideration.



Life is full of tradeoffs, isn't it?



Mark