dse in truck 04-05 CTD

[cj hall]

e-85 and wvo

here is the same mix 24 hrs later

this should be fine to mix



Heres a few other things I found out LAST NIGHT LATE!!!!



e-diesel is starting to take off in the states this is a mix of ethanol and reg diesel



7. 5 to 15 % blend with reg diesel is what they are blending the only problem is it will not blend with diesel fuel they need a chemical to help it along in the post I read they said.



unlike gasoline ethanol will not mix with reg diesel fuel you need a chemical bonder to do this, ok



but gasoline mixes with ethanol and gasoline mixes with diesel fuel so I think maybe it would mix if they run gasoline in the mix.

The other thing is the cetane of the fuel needs to be adjusted the octane of the ethanol is high and it not good the diesels but adding cetane will help with this problem



This is not a problem for me I can add that easy.



and this is for diesel fuel not vegetable oil we all know that gasoline mixes with wvo.



heres a link for that site

E-Diesel - Ethanol and diesel produces eDiesel flex fuel - e85 Ethanol fuel conversion information and news



HERES THE PICTURES

If you think its a little more cloudy today will its because its about 40 degrees colder, love that Montana weather...

 

[cj hall]

e-85 and veg oil

Hello to All



I am not sure about what is going on with this stuff

seems to have some white goo in the bottom and floating in the oil

I have not made any fuel out of this yet



the pictures say it all going to talk to some others that mix this with vegoil and having good luck.



going to add 5% gasoline to the mix to see if that helps?



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

e-85 and oil

hello to all



I mixed in 10% gas to the mix and will be letting it sit till tonight.



if this helps I will make a bigger batch if not I will start over and try it again.



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

Hello to All



I am starting over on this blend. Its not getting any better in the tube. thinking some thing must have been in the tube before I started this mix.



will post on this later.



cj hall

 

[moparpartsman]

Great information sir. Thank you for keeping us updated on your trials.

 

[cj hall]

veg oil as a fuel

here is some info I thougt we all might want to see.



Vegetable Oil as Diesel Fuel: Interesting Thing of the Day



it's just funny to see it in print



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

e85 and veg oil

hello to all



The e85 in the veg oil is mixed in but there is a white glob of some thing in the bottom of the tube. it looks like water and I will be filtering it out to see if it is.



Thinking that the e85 has sucked water out of the air and it has fallen to the bottom of the tube. the upper part of the tube is clear and looking like good clean fuel



Will be getting a tube that is caped so no air can get in to the mix and trying this again .



This is a problem with these types of fuel but it can be overcome with time.

There are few companys blending this in to diesel fuel they are blending somewhere from 7. 5 to 15 % and they have some sort of chemical to help with the water issue ,



I will keep working on this.



cj hall

 

[fourwheel1]

HI Cj, was wondering if you figured out how to seperate the water from the oil? Or are you still heating it?

 

[cj hall]

Water in oil

Hello fourwheel1



The water in the oil will come out of it if you let it settle for a long time.

Here in Montana it takes from two days if the temp is over 95 degrees

up to 2 weeks if the temp is around 50 degrees

in the winter it wont do it at all.



Heat will make it happen faster but the cost is getting higher for this my power bill last month was 278. 00 for 2757 KWH or

around . 1008 cents per KWH this is for my house and garage. one band heater running 24 hrs costs 2. 42 and I have 6 of them running at times.



Centrifuge will do this also the cost should be less then heating the oil and filtering but I am not sure at this time. The unit I am building is taking more time then I thought it would progress on it is slow but it is comming along.



I am sure there are other way of dewatering the oil but ,just dont have the time to look in to them if any one was a way of doing that please feel free to post them



hope this helps

cj hall

 

[rkeenan]

Hello,do you find it necessary to heat up the wvo to remove water or is a water seperator enough?How many miles have you logged at this time using wvo?Any problems?

 

[cj hall]

water and heat

Hello Rkeenan



At this time heating the oil to get the water out, is the way I am doing it is heat the oil to 190 dergees and hold it there for 12 hrs. slowly let it cool to 120 degrees and the transfur to filtering unit to filter another 12 hrs at this point you can make fuel out of it or put it in storage for use later.



I am building a centrifuge to dewater and filter this will speed up this by hrs.



The water block filters are there for safety only, they will trap water but it only takes a little to stop and puug the flow of oil .



My 04 has 50,000 miles running this and my 05 has 20,000 the 2001 truck has 19,000 miles also



no problems with the engines at this time, only lift pumps on trucks running high amounts of this fuel.



there are others doing this that filter and dewater the oil some are doing it this way some are not. this works for me.



hope this helps



cj hall

 

[BPINE]

Hello Rkeenan



At this time heating the oil to get the water out, is the way I am doing it is heat the oil to 190 dergees and hold it there for 12 hrs. slowly let it cool to 120 degrees and the transfur to filtering unit to filter another 12 hrs at this point you can make fuel out of it or put it in storage for use later.



I am building a centrifuge to dewater and filter this will speed up this by hrs.





cj hall

CJ I think you are wasting a bunch of energy drying your oil. I assume you try to collect oil with not much water in it to begin with but I know I get some with water but if you let it settle and only pump off the top it takes very little to dry what is left.



I have a 55 gallon drum with a lid on it that I bring up to 150 degrees while circulating then open the lid if I see I have condensation I leave the lid open and turn off the heat and let it go for several hours. I have a T fitting that sprays the oil back into the barrel as it is circulating. This seems very affective getting the water out of the oil. I use an average of 6 to 8 kwh to brew a 40 gallon batch of bio diesel start to finish.

 

[cj hall]

power

Hello Bpine



Thanks for the advice on the oil.

Yes I try to get the best oil. some of the oil is clear as it was the day it went in the fryer the other is very wet.



I have tryed to back off on the heat and then I start plugging water blocks on the filtering unit. The cost to run one heater for 12 hrs is 1. 21, To change the water blocks they cost 10. 00 each the one on the truck is 22. 00.



Yes some times it is a waste to heat the oil for that long I will agree with that but the over all cost of not getting the water out is way higher then the price of power.



I have to change the water blocks every 10 months and the truck will start getting a new water sep every 6 months . This is as long as i can get out of the filters.



Does any one out there have any better ways of dewatering the oil.



thanks for the advice on this

cj hall

 

[JCobb]

centrifuge...

I use a dieselcraft centrifuge, and when I do water tests, I get great results, before I was using this centrifuge, at times I would have oil that would fail the test. Thanks.

 

[cj hall]

fuel and oil

Hello to All



Just thought I would post on the trucks and other things



The trucks/car are all running great no problems to report.

we have these units running this fuel at this time.



2004 dodge 55,000 miles on this fuel

2005 dodge 15,000 miles

2001 dodge 20,000 miles

1998 dodge running the blend fuel not made buy myself. miles ?

2001 ford miles?

1999 ford miles ?

1997 chevy miles ?

2002 ford miles ?

1950? detroit 2/71 genset this gets all the oil I don't want to mess with all the hydorgenated oil. run time ?



The newest is a 2001 WV Jetta 1. 9 we just put in 7. 5 gallons on Sunday the car is very new to me so I dont have any info on it other then 115,000 miles No service history or anything on this. We are mixing 50/50 for now and going to see how its like the fuel the person that runs this car wanted to do this and I am always happy to test it any type of car, truck or whatever.



The crankcase oil on the 04 dodge is tested every time its changed it is coming backwith zero problems and the great thing about this fuel is there is zero soot in the oil . this show's me that the fuel is burning right and the the nitration level of the oil is lower, nitration happens in diesels if there is blowby in the engine. This is all good news and they are saying that 10,000 mile oil changes with testing only at 5000 mile interval would be fine on this engine.



We did pick up a new oil source this last week a fast food joint they are just changing over to the good oil its 100% canola oil so it the good stuff. once we get all set up on the 5 stores we will get 160 gallons per week.



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[SLong]

Chevy trucks run great when the fuel filters arn't clogged

CJ,



How are you? I bought the lab result for the dse last fall from you and this spring I started burning the blend in my '02' chevy for about 5 weeks. Actuall, I began at a 50% blend and now I run a 100% bio fuel.



The truck run's great when the filter's not cloged. :-laf I think I need to work on my filtering system a little more. I started running the oil back through the filter a couple times before I store it and it's helped a lot. Any suggestions on improving the filtering of the oil. Right now I'm using the GE whole house filters and a water block filter. A 60 micron filter, a 30 micron and the water filter is 5 microns. the 60 micron filter is $15, the 30 micron is $4 and the water block filter is $10.



Now the dse hand book indicates that the filtration system they recommend will filter around 500 gallons before needing replacement. I'm not anywhere near that number. I'm using 2 sets of filters to filter 50 gallons. It's costing me about $2. 00 per gallon to make my blend. Thats not counting the replacement fuel filters in the truck I'm going through the past week or so. Though it seems the filters are lasting a lot longer now I filter the oil twice. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about the cost, it's still a lot less than #2. I just want to know if there's a better way to filter the oil for less money or an easier way than I am aware of. Any comments or suggestions anyone has to offer are welcome.



Thanks for everything CJ.



Scott

 

[cj hall]

filters

Hello Scott



the filters that you are using are made for clean water I understand why DSE said to use them they work fair and thats about it.



What I have found out is they don't last long when I first started I used the same filters I made 50 gallon batches all the time and I would have to change them after each batch.



I switched to a bag filter a complete unit housing,bags, stand and gauge this cost around 375. 00 dollars and then I switched to a good water block filters also these are spin on type and run about 7. 00 each the heads for mounting are around 40. 00 each



I talked to a filter person about what I was trying to do he told me that running the oil thru a 5 micron bag filter one time would only get 50% of the crud 5 micron and bigger the first pass the next pass will get 50% of the 50%

and so on. it will take you 15 times thur a filter to get it to 5 micron. this is why I filter my oil for so long . this is like a big bypass filter with out the bypass slow and steady. The flow rate of the pump is 13 gph and this is clean water, cold oil will not pump at this rate so heat it up to 100 degrees and it wiil pump at close to that rate.



the fass filters on my truck the water sep will last 7 months 10 days this was the last one I replaced two weeks ago. the filter will go longer but if I have to change one they both get it.



I can get you all the filters that I talked about if you want me to.



Just email me if you want more info.



Thanks

cj hall

 

[SLong]

What do you think about using a centrifure

Hi CJ,



I was more than a little disappointed when I realized that the filters I use don’t work as well as dse claimed in their hand book. The primary reason I went with their system is because it’s supposed to be cheap and easy. What a load of @#$% that was. I wish they would have told me the truth. It would have saved me some aggravation.



The bag filters would definitely be less expensive if they can be used over and over. But I’m not sure it’s the best way to cut down on time and costs in the long run. What do you think about the Diesel Craft Centrifuges? It seems to me that a centrifuge is the easiest way to separate the water and particles out of the oil. That and a heat exchanger to heat the oil should filter the wvo rather quickly, in a couple of hours. I’m just not sure how to set up the system yet or if a heat exchanger is the best way to heat the oil. If the oil has to be heated first (and I’m not convinced it has to be, although it would definitely speed up the process) and pumped through the centrifuge multiple times, depending on the amount of particles in the oil, then do I need one barrel/tank and recycle the filtered oil back into the tank or a two barrel/tank system and pump the oil back and forth between the barrels/tanks to ensure a complete filtration of all the oil? At least with a centrifuge there are no more filters to buy and be constantly changing.



So I bought a centrifuge and I’m getting ready to make a decision on what to use to heat the oil. How do you heat your oil for filtering and what do you think is the best way to se up a filtration station using a centrifuge? Do you think I should blend the oil with kero and gas and the other additives before I filter it?



Any input you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Oh ya, do you know of anyone else who is running 100% blend in their truck besides me? Do you think it’s too much for the fuel pump to handle for long?



Thanks, Scott

 

[cj hall]

centrifuge / filtering

Hello Scott



The oil needs to heat to 120 degrees so it will flow in the centrifuge. if you dont heat it it will flow but it takes longer



I heat with band heaters made for 55 gallon drums two 1000 watt heater will heat it to 190 degrees one should be fine to heat the oil to what you need



those diesel craft centrifuge look like they work good



I would prefilter to 100 micron the run it thru the centrifuge then transfur to a mixing drum with a good filter on it so while you mix the other stuff in you can filter it more. this way you can clean more oil as you make the fuel.



My thought on the oil is you can not filter it to much.



there is a lot of talk of the color of the fuel I think the color has nothing to do with it , its needs to be clean.



I will send some pictures of my process as soon as the internet come's back up at my house



The lift pump at this blend will not live for ever but it will take it for a few months I lost three pumps before I got it right with heat in the tank and at the pump then you will be fine but this has a lot to do where you are in the northern states you will need all the help you can get in the south it should be fine or at least better than here. yes there are others running this at 100 % but the one's I know of have new heated lift pumps after they lost the OEM pump.



hope this helps



cj hall

 

[SLong]

your comments and experience do help very much

What mix do you recommend for sparing the lift pump and/or OEM pump until I figure out how to modify the fuel system to relieve the stress on the pumps? By the way, where are these pumps usually located in the fuel system and how hard are they to replace? I’m not a mechanic, but I can speculate that one of them is probably in the tank. I guess I’ll have to by a book on this truck and/or crawl around underneath it to develop a plan for heating the fuel system. I‘ve been thinking that I’ll need to heat the fuel in the tank and the rest of the fuel system since I read back through this/your thread last fall. Like I said, I’m not a mechanic. Can a heated lift pump be purchased?



From what I understand the folks that run strait vegetable oil use heat exchangers in the fuel lines to heat the oil in the fuel system. Maybe a couple strategically placed heat exchangers in the fuel lines along with a fuel tank heater would do the trick. They also run a two tank system with diesel fuel to use at start up and shut down or until the oil can heat up to the proper temp. How do I compensate for the lack of heated oil at start up? I was thinking that running heat exchangers off the electrical system, rather than the cooling system, would heat the oil quicker and be more consistent throughout the seasons. Do you know if they even make heat exchangers that heat in that way for vehicles or if heat exchangers in the fuel lines are even the best direction to go?



I remember from reading last year that you use a fuel tank heater made by arctic fox. I’ll start looking for a tank heater on their site this weekend and maybe if you’re willing, you and anyone else interested can offer some suggestions on the best way to keep the oil heated through the fuel system. I have a mechanic to help me if I need it, (I probably will) but I’m sure he’s never done anything like this before.



The pictures that you post are great, so thanks for posting them and for offering your experience to others. You’re a true gentleman CJ, I’m glad I found this thread.





Thanks again,



Scott