DTT Mods?

[SlyBones]

Ron You really like pointing out DTT is not perfect. Well ya know what, I dont tell people DTT is the best because DTT or Bill K is perfect. I tell people they are the best because of how they deal with it when its not. They take care of you. Period.



The reason I did not choose BD is not because I thought the products are bad. I did not choose BD because their service is questionable. There are many here that have BD products and are happy. This is great. But there are more that one, too many for me, that come here and post that they bought BD, had 'real' problems, and BD did not help nor did the installer, etc. They were hung out to dry.



So far I have only heard read one post where someone really did not like the DTT setup. They appeared to have installed it themself, and would not take it to a DTT installer to have fixed.

 

[pwr2tow]

Slybones,

Yes, you are right, especially since a few people have been on the board and saying the would like to take a product out and bury it and take a big dump on it. That was not a quote but basically the the statement, I think the word he used was s&*t on it.

I took offense because Bob said I took a cheap shot and my statement was BS.



If pointing out a problem or a fact is wrong then no one should be posting on here.



If you read my posts you will see I did not mention the products I was useing or trying to cram them down anyones throat. I was mearly stateing a fact, Anything mechanical will have problems, no matter whos they are, and then add in human error and man we can have all kind of problems.



You do not know all the reasons I did not use DTT, and like I told Bill on a different thread I will not air my dissatisfaction with him or possibly his product on the TDR, That would make me sound like a small minority of the DTT supporters that really like to bash other product manufacturers'. I simply want people to know that every product has problems, be it mechanical or human error.



Bob states that my statement was a cheap shot because the problem with Kevins transmission was an adjustment not a defect and I'am full of BS. I do not know for sure because I was not told if all the parts installed were individual parts such a springs and balls and levears or if they were complete parts such as a complete valve body. If it was a complete part and then installed correctly and it did not work then it was a defective part and not mearly an adjustment.



Bob,

I took real offense to you saying I take cheap shots, I will never take any kind of a shot unless I have proof. I do not take kindly to any one disputeing my demeaner, especially when I try my best to back up my statements with fact. In my best recollection I never put you down, as a person trying to help, please do not slam me.



I stated it then and I will state it again. It takes a very good man (such as Kevin) to speak up (on the TDR) and say they had a problem with one of DTT products. I'am sure Bill will rectify the problem with Kevins truck.

That was not a slam to Bill it is a FACT known to many he has great customer service, and I only know that according to some of his posts.



I always rout for the small guy and someone trying to start a new company rite up to the point where they start to become arrogant and shoveing it down some ones throat.



If someone wants to claim they have the best product because they use it, more power to them and it is just a general statement, but when someone states that a product doesn't have any flawes in it and then trys to discredit another by saying they are takeing cheap shots is just a person takeing cheap shots themselves.



Ron

 

[pwr2tow]

Bob,

In my rampent fever of typeing I forgot to mention.



You still do not have a disclaimer in your signature.



Ron

 

[chuck3]

SORRY

I was hoping this thread would not turn into a :-{} , I was just curios as to how many had the DTT installed in their truck, I knew there had to be a lot out there. I enjoy mine very much and just wanted to share that with the others. I regret any hurt feelings that may be caused by this thread, that was not my intent. Chuck.

 

[Dkevdog]

Chuck- Well said. Can't we all just get along??



Kev

 

[midnight1black]

DTT / MODS

:--) Chuckster I gess we just have to have our own good feeling's about the mods on trucks, its seem, some folks just don't play well with others This was to be a good thing about DTT / Mods I know Chuck3 would not start anything bad

Thanks Chuck for being a great guy!!! Oo. Oo. Oo.

 

[High Voltage]

SO when did a adjustment become a problem.



I adjust myself all the time.



DTT ROCKS... ...

 

[chuck3]

Thanks.

KBertoch, for the kind words, you should post a picture of your Black Beauty, not only is it a good runner, but a beautiful truck.

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Did I already say DTT is cool? Who cares. DTT is cool. :-laf

 

[proflow]

I Like What "High Voltage" Said

Sometimes the power of internet communications isn't always best I think. If a person cant see or feel another ones meaning in person, things can be taken wrong. We all have a same common interest here though. I imply this to no one, but, Im a journey level craftsman in the autobody trade & if I were to stop learning from mistakes made by myself or others--everyone w/a wrecked vehicle in my shop would suffer. No matter who you or the other guy is, there will always be human & parts failures. The big difference imho my friends is how we deal w/it. Some people have a gift for this & some struggle w/same intent to help. And on the flip side, some just dont care. I truley dont believe anyone in this forum falls under the later. There should be no reason why any of us cant strive for excellency no matter how long in business or not. Enough said. sorry for the long post---Proflow

 

[Reddog1]

I do not read TDR to be patronized. If a product has problems, I hope you guys will post it. If a vender has good or bad service, please post it.



If you or I want to be a martyr, and re-invent the wheel so be it. I am no spring chicken, and I can tell you if you go through life obsessed with blindly going for the underdog, you are in for a lot of hart break. That does not mean you blindly follow the big guy.



I would not want any touchy feely guys to get upset, but when it comes to transmissions, I read very few post other than those directed at DTT, and none have been negative. I have read more than one negative post directed at product and service of the other venders.



I find it difficult to believe DTT is so great. You guys with the negative experiences with DTT, that are not posting them, are responsible for this illusion, if that is what it is.



With that said, I expect to drive from mid-state Calif to DTT no later than July. Yes, I will fill my Ram with gold to pay for the transmission.







Wayne



P. S. I will have my gold blessed before passed on to DTT.

 

[SlyBones]

Its not really that hard to believe that DTT is that great. However like I posted above this does not mean they are perfect. Now the statement "I find it hard to believe DTT is perfect", I would not argue with. But great well... .



I would not confuse the lack of DTT complaints as meaning they have installed every single transmission perfectly. I would take it as meaning that when it wasnt perfect, they worked on it till it was. And if any DTT approved installer does not live up to that, and Bill hears about it, they wont be DTT installers for long.

 

[Bill Kondolay]

I am always amazed to read when guys are sitting there waiting for our company to fail or a bad customer report like its some kind of game. First of all if that is your thing you guys are going to have a long wait. We do every thing humanly possible to please and provide quality products and services to our customers even after we have their money.



We have made substantial enemies in this industry by doing things our way and speaking out against those that were taking advantage of the Dodge ram owners. We apologize to no one for this practice. We changed the industry by educating the consumer to the differences and what he should expect, again we were not too popular with the manufacturers as they were forced to take a back seat to DTT.



Marketing and promotion were no longer cutting it as consumers for themselves could drive and compare a properly tuned automatics vs what they had believed for years via advertising was the best available for their trucks.



I am not some kind of genius, this technology was available to everyone they only had to pay the money to R&D and tailor it for these dodges. So why wasn’t it done, it was not profitable to do it this way. The bottom line is money. Why change things when it was profitable and the consumer did not know any better. Most guys buy their power up grades and heavy duty trans upgrades through diesel shops, now think about this, this is a complex transmission to set up, it is not as simple as just bolting in parts. Would you take your Dodge down to the local transmission shop and ask them to crank up your engine. Heck most of you guys think twice about taking it to the dealership.



Don’t get me wrong, there are a few diesel shops we work with, however most of them have to be trained to do this work. Its not only how to put the parts in but how to set them up. The relationship between line pressure , governor pressure and throttle are critical to how long these trannies will live.



With all this being said some of you may be wondering why the attitude from Ronsram, while I have never met him I have spoken to him and his potential installer as we did not have anyone trained in his area. After my conversation with his installer , ( who I respect for his honesty) told me he did not feel comfortable installing my products and the transmission update kit to our specifications I then passed on ron’s sale unless he was going to one of our installers. I cannot in good conscience sell just for the sale. That is not how I do business. I am sorry there were obviously hard feelings.



Ron, I replace enough units to know when a transmission is not set up properly, at the hp you are at I can guarantee you don’t have enough line pressure to handle the power level you are at. Don’t take my word for it, protect yourself, get a pressure gauge and double check your set up.



Disconnect the pressure loc completely from the transmission, you will find you only have about 65 psi at an idle. With the pressure loc engaged you have about 73 psi. It is not enough, the pressure loc is preventing the tv valve to return back to neutral giving you a false reading at your base idle pressure . The pressure should be exactly the same before adding the pressure loc as it is with it on.



Do this if even to prove me wrong and you will have least have double checked the setup.



One of the things we focus in on is the pump bushing, you would be amazed how many shops do not install or even know how to do this. You got a truck with 50,000 miles on it and someone is firing in a new tc with a worn out pump bushing. A good tech knows that it’s the pump bushing that seals the oil pressure inside the tc, I shudder when I think how many don’t have this done as the tc wont last long .



I am still stunned at how many companies add big front covers knowing how weak the front pump bushing is on the dodge. The factory specs call for 4-8thou clearance between the pump bushing and the tc neck. Most guys don’t even check this.



We are not perfect and yes on occasion do make mistakes, but we do our best to not let them become our customers mistakes.



My point is we do check the small details that determine the life of the transmission. I guess what makes us different is that I am a transmission builder and I design the components taking into to consideration all the small details and ensuring our installers also follow the same procedures as I do myself.



You guys think we made enemies in the Dodge industry, wait till you see what happens in the Ford one.

 

[24V-DSL]

There ya go.....

This is why I'm driving almost 400 miles in a couple of weeks to have my "annual checkup"



I think it's good Karma to have Bill and crew turn wrenches on my truck.....



you too, PiersOo.

 

[D. Showan]

Bill, can you please explain what the advantage is (if any) of BD's pressure lock. It sound's like it doesn't do much at all. Thanks

 

[SGrady]

A little of the subject but how much do these transmission mods cost.

 

[Joe G.]

SGrady,



That info is on their web site:

http://www.dieseltrans.com/DTTech/index.sht

 

[pwr2tow]

Bill,

Thanks for the heads up on the pressures.

I would just like to say as you know I have never bashed you or your company and as we have discussed before it is the DTT followers that set you up for scrutenizing. The fact of the matter is I have stated in many posts that I beleave you have good customer service and products. It's not your fault for someone else's stubbornness to beleave a product cannot have defects. I appologize for you haveing to be in the middle but there is notthing I can do about that.

I have even been e-mail by people asking about why I have a problem with you or your company and my answer to them has been, I don't, I think you and your company have good products and I have even given them e-mail address of some of your installers when I know of one in their area. If I didn't think you had good products I would never say you did. I am not a sales person for anybodies product, and I am a critic of everyones product, I just do not like the arroganse of some people in beleaveing that a product can be so superior that It doesn't have any problems with it. Some of us know and as you stated above a auto transmission is a complicated peice of equipement and often times requires many adjustments and sometimes parts replaced to get them to perform satisfactory. That is one of the reasons I declined to have the guy we were talking to have my transmission worked on, he just did have what it takes in my opinion, and for me to spend the kind of money it takes for upgrades I did want to take the chance, which was based on my mechanical experience and your professional experience.



The worst that can happen from all this controversy is the buyer gets a better product, the best that can happen is a major vehicle manufacturer picks up on the success of a proven product and incorporates it into there manufactureing.



Again, Bill and DTT have good products and customer service, product supporters just have to remember mechanical products all have there limitations.



I wish you and your company all the luck in the future and I beleave you have the integrity to become a leading successful company.



Ron

 

[Ramboy]

I tow a very heavy 5th wheel. When my trans. was stock, taking off from a dead stop was an ordeal. Accelerate, engine would rev up louder and louder and finally the trailer would start to move and gradually gain speed. With my DTT, I put it in gear and, at idle, it starts moving. I have to ride my brake through RV parks. In my opinion, this is the VERY BEST setup for towing .

 

[chuck3]

Thanks Bill, for a great product, and all the time you must have put in to produce what so many people here on this site enjoy when they drive their truck, and as for the ones that don't have it they are missing out on the greatest improvement you can make on an auto. Ram. you still be da man.