dtt twins what's up with this

[mlockner]

Stefan,

Thanks for clearing the air.



moolie,

read the entire email, not just the last sentence.



Mike L.

 

[Pmaloney]

OK, I was excited to see this thread as I had just built my own set of twins and was hoping to get some tuning ideas and ideas on how other peoples twins were working. Instead I read through all of this whining and BS.



Moolie - Your poll is stupid, you do not have all your issues worked out yet and all you are doing is crying. Spend a little time away from the computer and fix them. Try CALLING the people that sold you the twins. Email is not always the best form of communication.

Also Mike Lockner is a big boy now you shouldnt keep posting his email on the board, myself and I'm sure most other people dont care.



This thread is junk, please close it. No useful information.



BTW moolie, I have a small oil leak on my turbos and a small exhaust leak from my wastegate tube. I am going to go out and fix them, would you like me to take some pictures of how I do it? Mabee a step by step on how to deal with it? Just trying to help :-laf

 

[moolie]

Now were are getting somewhere. They aren't dtt twins now. Here we go this is getting interesting now. I have spoken to nathan and did what he said to do. He said unscrew the pop offs out to 100 and then adjust the regulator all the way to the positive side. I did that and told him that we still weren't getting any higher boost levels. I was told to get a fuel pressure gauge and the bottom turbo gauge, I will have those tomorrow so I in the process of getting those they will be in the truck tomorrow. We did what nathan said and we responded and he sent us another solution which we also tried and are still in the process of completing.



Now let's not even get into the performance issues let's just deal with what is the issue as they sit. The housing leaks, this is true. I was told it leaked upon picking up the vehicle and that it would be fixed. Fair enough, I was happy with that response, I was also told about the boot being a quick fix since the original also wasn't available at the time. So it's been 5 weeks i know things take time and that's what we have given is time. I'm more then willing to do fine tuning that is why we dyno'd immediatly after the install, to tune them.



I was told we needed the fuel pressure gauge. It'll be in tomorrow. As well as the boost gauge to read the bottom turbo. So i've done my part to do what was asked and expected to get this where it needs to be. I never said nathan didn't help me. He told me to look for leaks next. At the time he told me this there wasn't any that i was able to see. I do have one now though right on the seam of the powder coat, which will be addressed tomorrow also.



I'm glad you have taken the time to respond to this issue. It wasn't getting very far and so now it should. I am stating 6K and your kit is indeed 4400 that's correct i'm including installation and various other charges, including head studs. My total bill was 6400 and some change. with 300 being for some cp3 pump work which was addressed by bob. So this is why i say 6 K when i speak of the price.



I'm also glad to know that these aren't dtt twins afterall. I thought they were though, and we were told they were. Yes nathan did come and install twins on mike and mikes vehicles. He never touched my vehicle at all. That's fine bob is more then qualified to handle the install issue. If i remember right The twins were originally hoping to be done by the dyno day in greeley. The plan was to unveil them on the rest of the world at the greeley dyno day. (maybe not that dramatic i guess) However they were to be shown off on april 16th. So i've done everything I can with what i had at the time. I didn't have a fp gauge and i didn't have a 2nd boost gauge. I do now, and have been more then willing to try to get these tuned in however before we get to that point I have holes and leaks that are growing everyday. I can't tune them when they have multiple leaks. However, when originally installed the only leak that was present was the turbo housing.



So at that time what we had was the ability to boost 53#. When we dyno'd we couldn't get a run in od with 50+ lbs boost. I clearly stated that in the posts. Then the next day Mike S got a 50 # boost run on the dyno and it didn't alter his numbers that significantly.



With the od issue on the dyno it's been addressed by ats. I went there the next available appointment and i had them adjust the valve body in order to stay in od on the dyno without downshifting.



So when u look at the fact that I dyno'd the day after the installation, and then went to ats in order to get the valve body adjusted properly, and also purchased a 2nd boost gauge and a fuel pressure gauge, I don't understand how I can be criticized for not willing to fine tune them. I've done everything that was asked. I'm very understanding to the fine tuning issue and have tried to get with bob to get them finely tuned. Hell when we dyno'd nothing was adjusted period. That's fine because it gives us a starting point to work from.



I've been patient and i've been quiet and i've been attacked by people like lockner for stating my results. When in fact he said the same thing as far as results went. I've phoned bob as well as emailed him and stated there was something missing and i needed it addressed. When i gave him a written request stating i wanted my money back and my old setup back it wasn't even addressed. I did also tell him that the other option was to get these to work the way they were supposed to. It's not like I demanded my cash. I stated that he either had to get these to work or give me my old setup back. Neither of which were taken seriously until just recently. Had this issue been addressed when it was presented we wouldn't even be in the situation we are in now.

 

[moolie]

OK, I was excited to see this thread as I had just built my own set of twins and was hoping to get some tuning ideas and ideas on how other peoples twins were working. Instead I read through all of this whining and BS.



Moolie - Your poll is stupid, you do not have all your issues worked out yet and all you are doing is crying. Spend a little time away from the computer and fix them. Try CALLING the people that sold you the twins. Email is not always the best form of communication.

Also Mike Lockner is a big boy now you shouldnt keep posting his email on the board, myself and I'm sure most other people dont care.



This thread is junk, please close it. No useful information.



BTW moolie, I have a small oil leak on my turbos and a small exhaust leak from my wastegate tube. I am going to go out and fix them, would you like me to take some pictures of how I do it? Mabee a step by step on how to deal with it? Just trying to help :-laf

whatever man we have tried to deal with it. If i could produce a new housing i would u are stupid. I've done everything that's been asked of me. We weren't given any special ideas on tuning and we can't even get to that point. The poll isn't crap the question is there and each person answers it. I'm on here *****ing because nothing has been done to solve this issue. The person who sold me the twins was bob. Got that through your head yet. I paid bob and my invoice says laser bob and i called laser bob and emailed laser bob. When we called him u know what he said, he said he didn't have time to discuss the issues with the truck. That he didn't have answers yet. Now let me think a second the installer doesn't have the time or any answers yet i'm supposed to have them, and you are calling me stupid. Get real I called dtt so don't sit and run your mouth about something you don't even know about. So you can attack me or say i'm this or i'm that but what i'm being is honest and pictures don't lie, a little leak please. A little leak in the turbo, a little leak in the weld on the powder coat. If it's such a small leak then this isn't the issue with the power problems. So which is it. Maybe i'll pull a new housing from my arse. If you were in this situation i was in you would be ****** too and so would half the people who answered this poll. It's too bad this much of an issue had to be raised to get anywhere



It may not be helpfull to you and guess what it wasn't designed to be. It was designed to be helpfull to me. Since none of the other parties wanted to be rude in order to get solutions. You stated all my issues aren't worked out yet. What a genius you are, of course they aren't that's what i'm trying to get done. So when i have someone stating they aren't happy then changing the statement so they don't hurt dtt's feelings that doesn't help. Only now to find they aren't dtt twins



Also if it's not helpfull why post? I mean you actually take the time to state it's a waste of time. That's ignorant. If i saw something that was a waste of my time then me responding would also be a waste of my time. See how that works.





Do i go around and find everything that bothers me and then tell them it bothers me and why it bothers me. No if something is stupid I don't participate period.

 

[Sled Puller]

One question: Whats does DTT stand for?



I rest my case, your honor.

 

[moolie]

Stefan,

Thanks for clearing the air.



moolie,

read the entire email, not just the last sentence.



Mike L.

i've read it entirely but this particular sentence seems to stand out more than the rest, since it's the same issue or one of the same issues i'm dealing with. You may have a differnt resolution but u clearly state the same problem.

 

[moolie]

and guess what folks now they aren't dtt twins. I guess i knew that when old serial numbers were ground off

 

[evldsl]

Sorry moolie,no Sympathy here,I bought and paid for my twins and installed them my self. It was alot more than $6000. 00 by the time I got done with the install . When I first put them on they only made a little over 500hp Alot lower than the hp you are at now . After a long process and alot more work I'm well over 600hp. Its a process that requires more than throwing $6000 at someone and expecting them to get your truck to run like you expect it to. Twins only give you the air,thats only a little part of the equation. I own an auto repair shop after putting my twins on I'd charge you a whole lot more than $6000. 00

"Dude", If you can't give a correction ( I think that if I paid $6,000. 00 to someone who said that I would get a product with this much hp and it turned out to be a pile of crap I would take a baseball bat to him. That's the way I deal with theft. ) then just stay off this board. We don't want to hear or read your comments if they don't have a helpfull outcome. :-{} Got it!.

 

[evldsl]

One thing that everyone should know is that these are NOT DTT twins. These are MAXIMIZE PERFORMANCE TWINS. DTT is just a dealer for the twins. NATHAN builds them, because he prefers to stay on the fabrication and manufacturing end of the business and I (STEFAN) handle the sales for them. This came about after Bill rode in Nathan's truck and was very impressed with the set-up. Those of you that know Bill know that he is not shy. One day when he was checking shift points and road testing Nathan's truck he commented on them, and I quote, "these are the best twins I have ever driven in, and would recommend them to anyone". They spooled nice and did not have any egt issues and he loved the drivability.



When Moolie and I talked, I told him that Nathan's truck had about 590hp on diesel and had low egts and great spool up with awesome drivability. After that Bob called and ordered 3 sets.



When dealing with high performance products, tuning is sometimes required and for those who are not ready to do that or listen to the guys advising on the tuning, they need to stay out of the performance game. Most people that know Nathan know, that he is always helping out guys and has demonstrated that time and time again. Let us use these 3 Colorado twin guys as an example. Nathan was running behind on delivery so in order to help speed up the process he drove from Idaho to Colorado to help install them. That doesn't sound like a guy that does not care to me, not too many people would have done that. There was a boot issue; he paid to have a temp system built while new boots (stronger) are being built. One truck's owner needed to go on holiday so he even took the boot off his own truck (making his truck undriveable) and overnighted it to the guy that needed it.



Moolie, to properly get a good number out of a twin turbo truck you have to get the proper load which means dynoing the truck in overdrive. Nathan has told you to put fuel and boost pressure gauges on as well, so he can help you.



If you spent your time installing the gauges and doing what Nathan is telling you, and do the tuning as suggested I'm sure that you would be further ahead than you currently are. Moolie, you are making it sound like Nathan has not tried to help you. It's pretty hard to help a guy that won't listen to you.



As far as this set-up costing $6000, keep in mind the Twins were $4400, plus the ARP studs and labor to install them.

You guy's should be kissing his butt instead of knocking him. Give him some help just giving your excuses makes you guy's look like your ripping him off for $6,000. 00 and you don't know what your doing or how to fix his problem. I guess if you did know how to fix the problem you would have done it instead of giving him the runaround with your lame excuse's such as tuning the truck,man you should have done it for him with the amount of money you took for the job. I don't knock people for making a buck but I feel ripped too just reading this board and I'm in the market for a turbo and I know where I wont look and the same go's for the trans I'm looking to upgrade. I will not purchase a DTT part just because of the way the DTT as been treating this board.

 

[JDerbedrossian]

"Dude", If you can't give a correction ( I think that if I paid $6,000. 00 to someone who said that I would get a product with this much hp and it turned out to be a pile of crap I would take a baseball bat to him. That's the way I deal with theft. ) then just stay off this board. We don't want to here or read your comments if they don't have a helpfull outcome. :-{} Got it!.

THANK YOU.



somebody that understands these posts. good luck moolie and god forbidd laser bob, i dont even know him and he already looks like a jerk.



JAKE.

 

[moolie]

"Dude", If you can't give a correction ( I think that if I paid $6,000. 00 to someone who said that I would get a product with this much hp and it turned out to be a pile of crap I would take a baseball bat to him. That's the way I deal with theft. ) then just stay off this board. We don't want to hear or read your comments if they don't have a helpfull outcome. :-{} Got it!.

aah yes this is a statement based on his feelings from having an open mind as well as being realistic with what is going on. I'm glad he has the integrity to say what's up with this and stand behind this scenario. Glad to know some folks still think on their own.



I basically state that this is what was presented and that this is what we got. I also issued 2 solutions. When i spoke to Nathan I was told this was upgradable isn't that right nathan? Well where's the upgraded version. Also I was told the external wastegate would be set around 50 for in town and in the even of a dyno day or a drag run that I would adjust it to a higher setting whatever number that may be. However When your max boost is 50 then you are already at the max. You could have avoided all of this by simply returning the vehicle to it's orignial form prior to the install, U chose not too go that route. I also stated if this wasn't an option then since we are now being labeled as guinnea pigs we should have gotten a guinea pig price. Also an option that wasn't acted upon.



I have an ats transmission and I often wondered if that was the correct choice between the 2 companies. Now i know it was the right choice. Last week they spent 2 days adjusting my valve body in order to work in conjunction with these twins. I was charged nothing.



Now we have these twins, leaking oil and not just on my set either. They are underachieving (not just on my set either), and i'm being ridiculled for sentence structure. Even the people who wanted to buy the twins from me didn't wanna pay anywhere near what i paid. They said something like they are used and don't work all that well. LOL



Dtt surely could of bought them back from me and then as long as i didn't bash them on here could of sold them easily and quickly and it wouldn't have hurt anything or anyone. They did not choose to do that. Now they are saying they aren't even theirs. Blame the other guy why don't you. I love how i'm the idiot on this thing when i've been more then fair. They got their money, i held up my end. I'm still waiting for some twin turbo's that do something though. Other than stain the concrete. One idiot tells me to fix the housing, lets think about that. If the installer laser bob can't fix it or the company who i bought them from can't fix it then how i am supposed to fix it.



Also everyone is like call kondolay call kondolay well I never spoke to him and as far as i knew it didn't involve him and Now we see that's true. Since they are no longer dtt twins. I wonder if there would have been nothing negative and the results were all positive would they still be dtt twins at that point. I mean they didn't even tell us what they were in the beginning. We knew they were different turbo's but they were a dtt twin kit # 0003 . It's funny that on my invoice it states dtt twins, so am i understanding correctly that these aren't dtt twins and i was mislead the entire time to believe they were. Or never told they weren't until today, 5 weeks after they were put on? I'm finally told that they aren't what i was told they were. Ouch How does that look to an unbiased 3rd party in a robe. I would say that is definitely misleading and I think anybody who really knows the law or knows what has happened here will say this is not a sound business tactic by any means.

 

[moolie]

One question: Whats does DTT stand for?



I rest my case, your honor.

it stands for disfunctional twin turbo doesn't it.

 

[moolie]

so now we'll find out the truth

now all of the people who are favoring dtt upon hearing the issue and speak out like i'm out of line without knowing the facts you are all in for a rude awakening. You state you can't read emails, well i've had 3 attorneys read them and they had no problems. I wonder why that is. I hate to say you dare insult me when i show nothing but facts on the product performance. Or lack there of. You say i'm an idiot and a jerk because you are too stupid to see right and wrong. This isn't right so call me what want I don't care.



If I was in the wrong then certainly upon speaking to the deputy DA in weld county later today I will finally come to this realization and then there will be no need to address it.



That is a sarcastic statement of course





What's going to happen when it does go in front of the judge. He's gonna say i'm an idiot right and throw it out.



Another sarcastic statment of course.





I'm not the idiot. I got a sloppy install of a sloppy product. If you are so brainwashed by dtt that you can't even function outside of that realm that's your problem. The judge or attorney general who rules a lot in cases like these is not a dtt extremist. He's gonna call it like he sees it. Right down the line to what he thinks is fair. So guess what if i'm an idiot then i'll lose when this time comes. However if i win then certainly one could say that all of the people who have called me names and tried to discourage me will now surely become the idiots. If i have no case then i won't win. If i do have a case which i know i do because i have spoken to several attorneys already, then i could possibly have a ruling in my favor. If i do win i'm gonna make sure you people who ran your mouths about me have the chance to run it again. I'm gonna laugh if i win because then some actual truth coming into the forum not from me but from an elected official, this will be all i need. I like my chances so if i am successful then you become the idiots. Funny thing too but when i contacted the attorney generals office guess what form of communication i used? Emails once again. Think about that, and that's where it's going . there isn't any way out of it now. So it shouldn't take too long to have all these questions addressed. I'm helping the average person by making the company be accountable on the product and i get insulted. That's ok though, just better hope i don't get any sort of ruling in my favor because the tables turn then and i'll be laughing at all of the people who ran their mouths.

 

[moolie]

THANK YOU.



somebody that understands these posts. good luck moolie and god forbidd laser bob, i dont even know him and he already looks like a jerk.



JAKE.

i guess i am a jerk for expecting my product that i paid for to be installed properly and also work properly. What am I thinking. If this is how u feel sir after looking at the photo's i posted one of us has a distorted thought process. I'm sure when i pay 6K for a product that it's not at all unreasonable for it to be done correctly. However if u feel this is good customer service then u sir are an idiot. I know everyone says they don't understand them but if an attorney can make sense of them they are satisfactory. So what's the next lame excuse to take the focus off of the issue at hand.

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

I'm closing this thread (as well as the other one) down. Moolie has had his say and dtt has responded with their side. If any of the other vendors involved in this transaction wish to post their story get ahold of me and I will add it to this thread. At this point further discussion will be going down the bashing road and we don't need that on here.