Durmaxes on hold??????

[Gonzo 1066]

A friend of mine that is a GM loyalist and a excellent mechanic stoped by my shop and asked if I had heard the news. He claimed that GM has a hold status on all Durmax engines. That they were not selling any untell they fixed a unspecified ailment??

This is the first I have heard about it and was wondering if anyone out there has any info. I was hoping they would get it right this time. The light truck does not need another diesel 350 mistake from GM. Understand I am not trying to flame anyone or any truck just looking for some input.

 

[Scott Elliott]

Not to bash GM, but why don't they go under contract with Navistar or Cummins for engines. You don't see Ford or Dodge trying to make their own diesels and we all know how it has turned out when GM made it's own (Isuzu; GM used to own Detroit Diesel). Heck, why doesn't Ford offer the Cummins in its light trucks like it does for its medium duty trucks?

 

[FATCAT]

GM contract with someone who knows how to build a diesel ... thats a good one. If they were to do that, we could relegate the Duramax to annals of history as the truck version of the infamous Edsel. Maybe we could call it the Edselmax.

 

[Scott Elliott]

Gonzo, go over to www.Ford-Diesel.com and go to the "general diesel" or "other" section. They have an interesting 3 page diatribe about supposed DMax problems, with posts from a GM/Isuzu engineer.



here you go:

http://forums.ford-diesel.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=30



click on "source of Duramax clicking sound". enjoy.

 

[R.E. Miller]

I try to be the last one to laugh at anybody, but if this is true, it won't even be funny. You would think that all of the testing that GM can afford would find a lot of the major weakness/trouble areas before they hit the market, especially knowing the anticipation of the arrival of the most powerful diesel. But here again, it seems some items were missed, which (I am not a GM fan, but won't argue others choices) puts a major damper on the wooo wooo a duramax factor. As much as I would not want to own one, I was just hoping for something different and new out there, that wasn't the 6. 5, hope they aren't going down their "diesel brick road" again with this one

 

[Scott Elliott]

lol, exactly.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"You would think that all of the testing that GM can afford would find a lot of the major weakness/trouble areas before they hit the market"



JEEZE - and to think of all the claims from the GM faithful about all that "testing" done on the new Duramax prior to release... THEN, when you actually SEE the hours they WERE tested, it's obvious that it wasn't tested any more/better than any OTHER new engine from GM - and far LESS than many... THEN, after hearing suggestions from DuraMax critics concerning engine life, some nimrod GM owner states "well jeeze man, MY new Duramax made it all the way home from the dealer with no problems, so it MUST be good... "



I would HOPE there's no serious problem - and am FULLY aware that threads like this from other groups quickly get posted and pointed to over in the GM diesel group, so THIS is for you Duramax fanatics visiting here for new ammo to carry back home:

 

[Barry]

... ... . "history always repeats itself"... .

 

[J DeMaio]

Come on guys, the Chevy diesels weren't that bad. The 6. 2L and a year or two of the old 6-5's actually, from what i've heard were pretty good motors. They weren't real powerhouses but they got you from point a to b, were relatively reliable, and good on fuel. You have to think, these are the diesel pioneers. The old 6. 2L was introduced in 1982. There are still many of these engines running strong today. What's wrong with Detroits, they used to be used in everthing and was probably a major competitor with Cummins in the 1970's. I feel what killed the 6. 5L was that the emissions junk was added and the electronics killed it. Now, why don't other manufacturers make diesel engines for automobile use. John Deere and Caterpillar make relatively good motors. John Deeres rule!!!!!!!!!! These are some of the industries best off-road diesel engines. Just my two cents worth. Boys, please don't bash the GM's too much.

 

[BCFAST]

Golly, if GM wanted to get into bed with Izusu, why not use the Inline-6 that HAS proven itself to be a good little motor? GM continues in its quest to re-invent the wheel..... I had to explain this very thing to a Ford fella the other day who was lambasting my Ram... . the PowerStroke has been rated as a "light-duty" truck motor, and the Cummins as a "medium-duty" motor... . blah-blah-blah... ... .

 

[R.E. Miller]

Yup, I've got a friend with a 6. 2 and 6. 5, when he finds out about this I'll hear about it

I don't see this as something to laugh at as much as something to be puzzled over. It is too bad that the John Deere engine couldn't get the rpm's that GM needed, you talk about sales, whew!



Anyway, new things have new problems, ISB or D-max, both seem to have some no brainers... hmmm lets skimp on the fuel delivery, aww now that's great for MPG ha ha

 

[Max Wedge]

After swearing I would never own a diesel, I have had my truck for 8 months and I couldn't imagine owing anything else now.



I have been on this forum for about 7 months and I must admit that when someone hear experiences a problem with their Cummins/Dodge, they talk about it. Seems we are not afraid of letting it be known when we have problems--Just look at the posts on Lift Pump, Steering, Brakes, and yes a few leaking head gaskets--But these "Duramax" owners are really weird, every time someone mentions a problem, they are so paranoid of TDR they all go into denial like its some kind of conspiracy. That’s what makes this the BEST forum on the net. We are NOT AFRAID! The Ford guys seem to discuss problems equally well, and admit when they have a bad one.



I sincerely hope that the GM/Duramax works out, but if it doesn’t the owners have no one to blame but themselves. As it’s always presumed “BUYER BEWARE”.



Max

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

YUP Max - you NAILED it!



I have NOTHING against GM or Ford stuff - I own little bit of EACH at the moment - more GM stuff than any other. So I can HARDLY be called a "GM hater" - but what I *do* hate is denial and censorship when ANYONE dares drop into the GM group with a question or problem than might be construed as criticism. They are IMMEDIATELY attacked unmercifully and demands are made to "prove" with photos, workorders and birth certificates that what they claim is actually true...



MAN, talk about INSECURITY ... It's no WONDER traffic in their group has dwindled down to several users CLOSELY associated with DM and GM - plus a small following of loyal fanatic cheerleaders. As a result, obtaining ANY degree of representative info or help in problems or questions is pretty much a lost cause - and THAT'S a shame, since the willingness and ability to OPENLY express questions or problems in THIS or over in the Ford group is undoubtedly our/their GREATEST asset to current and future owners!



The SOONER the GM group learns that lesson, the better off they, and their customers will be! MEANWHILE, all they seem to have left to do to pass time is cruise other groups like THIS one so they have something to talk about over on THEIR board as to how "jealous" and "mean-spirited" WE are towards their stuff.



Shucks GM guys, we don't really have all that much against yer stuff - just the fear and insecurity you constantly display when honest questions or problems arise with the GM products...

 

[illflem]

Something that surprised me this morning while looking through my small town newspaper was that there were three used 2001 Durmaxs listed for sale. Does that say anything?

 

[R.ebel]

Tick

Of interest

http://www.62-65-dieselpage.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000902.html

http://www.62-65-dieselpage.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000886.html

 

[Max340]

Anyone else read those links and get the shiver of disbelief when the one guy said it was a good explaination and accepted that the dealer told him he had air in his lube oil and that it was popping out of the journal area?



Hello? air on the bearing? thats BAD.



Of course, he bought a Chevy, so the wool is firmly in place it seems.

 

[Alan Reagan]

Somebody want to explain to me how those guys on the DMAX site managed to work a Ram into their thread about ticking? I hate to tell them but real Diesel engines don't tick. They rattle and knock like he**, but they don't tick. And that one guy that always wants proof. Want proof of what a real diesel sounds like???? Come to a TDR meet and get some proof .

Everytime I look over there I get PO'd. If they would just ask, they might get some good advice. I hope the DMAX is successful. We certainly don't need the lower truck values we'll have as Ram owners if that engine sucks like everything else GM has attempted. At least it was refreshing to see they are after the Powerstroke guys now.

 

[DennyDay]

GM never tests anything they sell. Get it on the street, fix it under warranty, let the buyer do the testing. They have been doing that ever since I bought my first "new one" in 1962 for $1695. drive out! Thats also why I haven't owned a GM since 1990!