dynatrack balljoints

[AlaskanCummins]

"Slow" seller, or "no" seller, Wayne? I hope they've sold zero at this point. If people were rebuilding their ball joints at 5-10 thousand miles, it wouldn't be an improvement over stock at all.

As far as I've found out, NO seller. Guess I should have been more specific.

 

[carlisuspension]

Question 1): Do you know of any other product out there that's metal on metal, being subjected to about 5K lbs of pressure (give/take depending on if it's status or not) daily on an array of different conditions? If so, what is that product and what type of metal is it made of? I can't think of anything offhand. Most parts that have metal/metal contact has some sort of bearing between them, or some sort of sleeve.

Question 2): Are you saying that because the metals are so hard and smooth, have gone through a superior hardening process that there won't be any wear on the mating surfaces?

1. The pressures are way more than 5K. It isn't just the standing weight of the truck, the shock load on impacts multiplies that weight. I don't know about other products and Sage isn't letting his alloy/treatment combination out right now... all I have to say is that it is hi-strength, hi-carbon steel with our own developed processing for this application.

2. Yes. The hi-tolerance precision, hardening, case depth, ductility, coating and tested yield strength is how the Carli billet design works.

 

[AlaskanCummins]

Ok. Fair enough. Time will tell and I hope that the second generation lowers will yield the results that you claim.

 

[carlisuspension]

The lowers are yielding the results that I claim. I have the 3rd set of Carli Lowers ever made in my truck and it has the most miles and lives in Mexico off-road. It isn't a matter of proving a claim, the ball joints are doing it. The machine shop hiccup was a total fiasco and it didn't have anything to do with proving the design or the product. Sage had to go rounds to discover actually what happened to his ball joints, because the first ball joints ever produced were and are still going strong - under conditions that customers don't subject their truck to.

The weird stuff started when the machinist consulted Sage and suggested he buy a higher end alloy claiming that it will heat treat better because he was breaking bits on final fitment if a tolerance wasn't held. It was that suggestion that lead to everything. Sage asked questions and was told that the better material will take the heat treat better, which it should have - BUT the higher end alloy had a lower carbon count than what had been used initally, so in order to make it work, the carborizing phase of the heat treat process had to be increased to achieve the same hardness and the ostinizing to tempur phases were updated to increase the case depth.

That's what I recall, personally, from everything that transpired. There are more details and figures, but that's what you got caught up in, Wayne. Sage had to figure it out himself because the machine shop was saying that it was right, when it wasn't, so Sage stopped all ball joint sales and froze everything until it came out of a laboratory with a spec sheet that would rival an airliner part.

The ball joints have been working just fine since they went in back in July of 2009 and my truck hasn't left Mexico since last year. More miles over worse stuff than any other daily driver out there and I can count on my hands how many times they've been lubed and these Ball joints are even stronger than what I am running.

It's not a matter of proving the Carli lowers, it was a matter of being absolutely certain that [your] situation won't happen again. Like I said before, it never should have happened in the first place.

 

[Trophy Truck]

another person sitting on the fence post

I am also sitting on the fence post, actually the barb part of the wire waiting to satify myself on info provided here... for what it's worth, I am also waiting to purchase upper and lower ball joints from someone. This thread is very benifical to me in making a purchase. The Carli price is very steep, but as indicated if it is the last ball joint needed, it might be worth it??, I have the Dynatrac lockout hub and bearing kit and after 30,000 miles it has proved to be flawless, if the Dynatrac ball joints needs to be rebuilt thats a lot of my time and labor down the road. I bought my 06' with 64,000 miles on it from a dealer and after arguing the issue of the stock ball joint being bad, they replaced them under their 30 day warranty... great, of course 30,000 miles later all 4 are now bad with lots of slop in them, I never take the truck off road and have stock springs with 08' upgraded steering, dampner, shocks, BD steering brace, rebuilt steering box and additional steering dampner, as well as Geno's Lukes Links in my track bar. So the moral of the story is I can't wait too much longer for the ball joint purchase, I hope that someone makes a miraculous discovery, heck, maybe I might figure something out.

 

[JKreiss]

Trophy Truck, I think you and I are on the same spot on the fence. I think the miraculous discovery though is the redone Carli's. I just can't see anyone else going through the abuse the Carli's have been put through. Just youtube any of there trucks and you'll see what i mean. If the joints can handle that kind of "testing", I think they'll be fine for driving out here. Plus, they put their word on it. JMO

 

[desertbull]

I have Carli Uppers and Lowers on my 99 Ram Prerunner built by Carli Suspension... so far in 2010 I have 16,312 miles of Baja dirt roads and Hwy 1 driving without any issues. We have abused the hell out of our trucks and they continue to survive.



Sage personally installed upper and lowers on my truck (thx-buddy-cuz he doesn't do that for many) and I just returned 30 minutes ago from Loreto, BCS after the past 4 weeks of banging my Carli-FOX truck in Mexico.



No I don't live in Baja, but I travel down the dirt roads everyday in search of... . more dirt roads! lol



There is no reason to wait, just do it!



Oo.

 

[ENafziger]

So the moral of the story is I can't wait too much longer for the ball joint purchase, I hope that someone makes a miraculous discovery, heck, maybe I might figure something out. <!-- google_ad_section_end --> <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Carli is the discovery you've been waiting for!!!

Just do it... and don't look back!

--Eric

 

[Mark31]

Here's the latest news on this: Dodge Ram Suspension News and Latest Company Updates from Carli Suspension, Inc: Breaking Carli Ball Joints



Sage tested various stocks of hi-strength steel, different grades of chromoly and optimized his own heat treat table in a Cal State University laboratory.



Carli ball joints are sorted out and shipping.

Carli Suspension, I ordered Carli BJs from the distributor your office lady referred me to on 9/26 and my credit card was charged 9/28. I was told in a bs email that I was #28 on the backorder list. Which is better?: Worn out bjs, stock replacements, or a gone $800 and Carlis I can't get? The distrib's web site says 4-6 week lead time and its been 12. I'm trying to be nice because santyclaws is looking, but it is hard! Mark

 

[CharlieFoxtrot]

Is the serious ball joint issue limited to you 4wd guys, or do us 2wd guys have to worry about it too?



thanks

kevin

 

[Bob4x4]

3rd gen 4x4's

 

[SierraRam]

Is the serious ball joint issue limited to you 4wd guys, or do us 2wd guys have to worry about it too?



thanks

kevin

The majority of the issues are on 4X4 with AAM front axles. They are just too weak in their design to hold up.

 

[EDankievitch]

I justinstalled a set of lowers on my 05 as the Moog ones failed in less time then the stock ones. I've got Carli uppers and I very happy with the Dynatraxx lowers NO MORE BINDING like I had with the Moog units. Talking with Dynatraxx they said they've never had a failure since they brought these to the market. They are re-buildable and they said they have yet to sell a re- build kit. Sorry but Carli can't say that, that's what sold me on them.

 

[JCockerill]

I justinstalled a set of lowers on my 05 as the Moog ones failed in less time then the stock ones. I've got Carli uppers and I very happy with the Dynatraxx lowers NO MORE BINDING like I had with the Moog units. Talking with Dynatraxx they said they've never had a failure since they brought these to the market. They are re-buildable and they said they have yet to sell a re- build kit. Sorry but Carli can't say that, that's what sold me on them.

That was my feeling also,, i have a bunch of carli parts in my truck and love them, but when i needed ball joints and they were no where to be found. i had to go with the dynatracks. I like them and they have an excellent track record. I don't want to do that job again anytime soon, so i wouldn't even want to take the chance with carli's after seeing the problems they had. You are paying $800 for "the last ball joints you will ever buy" and i keep hearing guys who had to change the carli joints out two and three times. I know carli stood behind the product, but who's paying for my time and labor? I'm a big carli fan, but not on the ball joints. I hope they can get this squared away soon, once they work the bugs out they will have another great product.

 

[RMeans]

dynatrack rebuild kits are 100 bucks for all 4 ball joints, so far no has needed any, according to the shop in spokane

 

[Newt]

Carli Suspension, I ordered Carli BJs from the distributor your office lady referred me to on 9/26 and my credit card was charged 9/28. I was told in a bs email that I was #28 on the backorder list. Which is better?: Worn out bjs, stock replacements, or a gone $800 and Carlis I can't get? The distrib's web site says 4-6 week lead time and its been 12. I'm trying to be nice because santyclaws is looking, but it is hard! Mark

Take some advice from an old man. Never pay for something that hasn't been delivered. If the bill comes before you get delivery, protest the bill on the credit card. Once you pay, you have no leverage. But, I guess you found that out.



Newt

 

[TCDiesel]

Take some advice from an old man. Never pay for something that hasn't been delivered. If the bill comes before you get delivery, protest the bill on the credit card. Once you pay, you have no leverage. But, I guess you found that out.



Newt[/QUOTEer



Once the charge is Made the sellers has 30 Days (With Most Card holder members) to deliver,the Seller should have issue credit,You need to file a charge Back B/C after 90 You loose some charge Back Power. All they (Seller) needs to do now is state some Bogus shipping and You are SOL.

 

[BKWelliver]

I have over 10K on my first run Carli upper and lower ball joints. super tight and no issues. I have not babied it at all. It spends as much time off road as it does on. I don't abuse it, but I definitely USE IT. ! ! ! Have to say my truck is 10 times better than it ever was stock. Tows the boat excellent, does not sway in the turns and the suspension is truly amazing off road. compliant yet firm. Driving down the 101 on expansion cracks is a non issue now. I have the ball joints with the zerks that stick up but I could care less as they don't hit anything and are still there. When I buy a new truck down the road the first thing I will do is send it to Sage. I won't live with stock garbage ever again. I did with my Dullie for 3 years and it was to the point that I was ready to sell it until Sage worked his magic. It was worth every last penny.