Dyno testing right now.

[MCummings]

For the next 2 hours or so we are going to be hopping on the dyno and going to be doing a comparison tuning with a SuperChips FlashPak, Bully Dog triple Dog w/CL, and a TST.



Truck being tested is an '06 4-door DRW Auto AFE Drop in filter, straight pipe, and 22,000 miles.







Merrick

 

[johncameron]

POst your #'s when you're done!

 

[Tomeygun]

For the next 2 hours or so we are going to be hopping on the dyno and going to be doing a comparison tuning with a SuperChips FlashPak, Bully Dog triple Dog w/CL, and a TST.



Truck being tested is an '06 4-door DRW Auto AFE Drop in filter, straight pipe, and 22,000 miles.





Merrick

You better strap a FP gauge on that boy while on the Dyno, Cause I bet your at 0-4psi at the CP3 inlet with a TST or CL tune

 

[RMalone]

You better strap a FP gauge on that boy while on the Dyno, Cause I bet your at 0-4psi at the CP3 inlet with a TST or CL tune

No doubt about it!! I myself am in the middle of "fuel pressure hell" right now. All the damn money I have spent and I still have that poor stock lift pump, serves me right!! :-laf My truck with injectors and TST at 1/1 will pull the lowside fuel to 0psi at about 3/4 throttle.



Yes please do tell us what kind of numbers you see, we LOVE numbers.

 

[MCummings]

Ok. Here it is.



Best numbers, all within 3* of 70*F, 29. 95 in-Hg, Uncorrected on a DynoJet 248c with the DRW's still on.



Best number was with a SuperChips 3805 Flashpaq on Performance Setting, TST-CR on 4/5, netting us 499. 88rwhp, and 927. 05rwtq, backed up with a 499. 59rwhp and 917. 14rwtq.



Other significant numbers were 483. 41rwhp and 900. 28rwtq with the Crazy Larry and TST on 4/5.





We got better numbers, less smoke on spool-up, and more smoke at WOT (Heavy Haze) with the Superchip, and heavy smoke on spool-up with less smoke at WOT with the Crazy Larry.



On the street, with the Superchip, it's very aggressive, but will slip the transmission on a 3-4 shift, or rolling into it real hard at 2,200RPM in O. D.





We probably will give the Bully Dog Crazy larry a try on the street in a few days, but for now, it's the Superchip.





Merrick



BTW, on the '06 I could not raise the speedlimiter, or rev limiter, but I could adjust tire sizes, and the "extreme" was not available to download.

 

[Bob Wagner]

Thanks Merrick now we have something to shoot at

 

[MCummings]

Got to ride behind the test truck today, and MAN I have to say, the truck, for how few mods it has, get's up and MOVES! It will actually twist up ON WOT about 3/4" up on driver side, and 2" down on pass. side!



It smokes a heavy bwon haze at WOT, and doesn't let up.



We don't have a fuel pressure gauge, and only a 35Lb boost gauge, so I can't tell you anything besides any level above 4/4 on the street produces alot of "miss-firing" and "popping", which I assume is the Fuel pump not keeping up.





Turbo, converter, valve body, and fuel pump coming SOON.





As a comparison, my truck with a PDR Head, PDR Cam, Mad ECM, FASS pump, Mach 4. 8 sticks, J. R. Adkins twin turbo's, and a drag comp, does 516rwhp and 1038rwtq on the same dyno...



Merrick

 

[GWoody]

That surprises me that the superchips out performed the bullydog! Grat numbers though.

 

[Blacksdieselhp]

Yea, me too. I never been a big fan of superchips really. I was kinda thinking it will be the opposite when they get the turbo and some fuel pressure?

 

[GWoody]

I checked their website and it looks like 3gen stuff is only 05 & up?

 

[Russellmag]

Mcummings,



Are you going to Dyno the TST and CL alone?



TX's

 

[MCummings]

Baseline was 270 HP (Didn't have a TQ reading)



TST on 5/5 was 421rwhp, and got worse as it was turned higher.



The CL alone did 430rwhp.



Now, we didn't complete remove the TST, we just turned boost fooling off, and put it to 0/0



I don't have a number right now with just the Superchips (it's in the computer at the shop), byt it was over 400.



The only time this truck dyno'd less than 400rwhp and 800rwtq was with the stock setting.



Even on 4/5 on the TST it still did over 400/800.





I am not so sure if the tables will turn with a bigger turnbo as overfueling might occur with a tighter TC and laggier turbo.



The Bully dog was rated at 230HP over stock, and teh SuperChip about 115 over stock.



The Bully Dog out performed alone, but the Superchip performed better stacked.



I want to say the Superchip alone on the max setting did ~416rwhp, and jumped to 499 with the TST on 4/4.



Merrick

 

[JCleary]

Too bad you used only the high settings on the downloaders.



I guess it would be too time consuming to try both dowloaders on all settings (TST 0x0), and then try each setting with varying levels on the TST.



I found on my truck that the best performance came with the BDDL on Tow and the TST on 7x7. No popping, surging, or any other complaints from my truck. If C/L was available for the '03's, I'm sure I would try it, but my main point is this-



I feel that sometimes it's better to rely on the TST for the big numbers (with higher settings) and use the downloader or pressure box just to help spool the turbo sooner.



I know dyno time is expensive, and it's also hard to find the time to dyno. Maybe when the Smarty comes out I'll buy it and the Superchips and do the whole downloader/TST report. But for now, I'm running my MP-8 stacked with the TST. FAR less smoke than with the downloader, and around here, that's a good thing...

 

[MCummings]

This truck, even with the TST only, didn't like anything over 5/5.



We actually got within 4 tenths of a HP on 8/5 compared to 5/5, but had alot of popping/misfiring on the higher setting.





On the street anything over 4/4 or 4/5 and the superchip on high gave some occasional popping over 80mph.



We did try the Bully Dog on lower settings, but the results weren't that great, but weren't that less either. I think they were only 30 or so HP less than the crazy larry.



We didn't dyno the low setting on the Superchip, just because it took soo long to program, much longer than the bully dog DL'er.



I forgot to mark which dyno pulls were with which settings,, stupid me.





Now, this truck had 22,000 miles on it, and has the factory fuel filter, so that could be a small problem as well.



Next thing I am going to push him to do is a fuel pump, then a turbo, then the trans.



Think that would work allright?



Merrick

 

[CATCRACKER]

with fuel,turbo and trans you are starting back at square one with settings and dyno testing. also another thing to consider is the twins flash for tst box only $50.



the proven stack is the mp8/ramifier/ez and tst twins. less smoke more power no popping that is off course if you have the fuel.



CL + tst =tons of smoke (which i dont like)



clean smooth power is what we all want and it seems that pressure and tst make the best stacks.



thanks for the info dyno results make good posts

 

[Russellmag]

I agree with Catcraker. I stacked the CL + TST on my 06 -tons of smoke, popping and blew a head gasket. Maybe too much timing created too much cylinder pressure???. I currently run the EZ-TST. I haven't dynoed my 06, but when I ran my 04. 5(same set up as my 06 minus city intercooler and snow) I dynoed the Hot juice/CL on a mustang dyno-- 478/992. When I ran the CL alone I hit 488/996??? I am modding my CP3 and will post dyno results after.

 

[Blacksdieselhp]

Mcummings, will you be trying any other stacks with pressure boxes instead of the downloaders? I was gonna go with a tst/crazy larry stack, but everyone seems to like the ez/ mp-8 with the tst better. Hopefully I'll get to dyno a few boxes soon. I will definately post if I do.

 

[MCummings]

I had another customer with the MP-8 stack with a twins flash'ed TST box and the power on his SRW truck was considerably less than than this '06 DRW?





I just didn't like how the truck with the MP-8 rattled after a dyno run. Way to much rail pressure. With the superchips, and crazy larry, we never had that same rattle after a WOT sprint, the RPM just came down nice and smooth like a stock truck.



My customer also said that street driving with just the superchip was smooth and predictable, compared to the TST which was somewhat aggressive after a shift. (part throttle driving) He hasn't Daily Driven the Bully Dog DL'er yet.





We MIGHT try an MP-8, but at 920rwtq the trans was slipping pretty obviously allready. I am pretty confident that we would have broken into the 500's but the trans would have none of it.



Give us a couple weeks, and we'll have a bunch more goodies on this thing.





Merrick

 

[JCleary]

I just didn't like how the truck with the MP-8 rattled after a dyno run. Way to much rail pressure. With the superchips, and crazy larry, we never had that same rattle after a WOT sprint, the RPM just came down nice and smooth like a stock truck.



Merrick

If you have the MP-8 turned up past about 50%, the injectors will rattle as the truck idles down, I'm guessing as the pressure is bled off the rail.



One thing to try would be the TST flash for the MP-8. I have that on mine, and the rattle is greatly reduced.



I asked Dennis @ TS what the TST flash does, and it's designed to compensate a bit for the TST's agressive demand for fuel at higher settings. It keeps the rail pressure up a bit, but uses lower overall pressure than the regular MP-8 program, and also less timing. It does do quite a bit of boost fooling on the bottom end, to get the TST to fuel sooner. The MP-8 needs to be plugged into the MAP, and the TST into the MP-8. I'm running this now and it works great!



If you're looking to belch a big cloud of smoke, you can turn it up to 100% and mat the pedal, but you're not getting the best performance that way. The CP3 can't keep up so you end up with a lot of smoke and heat.



The best performance seems to come between 30% and 70%, depending on the TST settings.



Now that the TST is available with adjustable timing, it would be interesting to try the different downloader and pressure box combos again. I'd really be interested to see what happens when the TST is stacked with a Quad Race.

 

[Blacksdieselhp]

Well, you guys have put a hold on me getting a chip to stack with my tst. :{ Was gonna get the BDDL CL. But then thought maybe the superchip. Now I guess I'll wait on some more #'s. Can't wait to see them. By the way, someone was saying the new TST twins program was different than the older one. The new one doesn't fuel until 20+ psi and the older one fuels at like 12 psi. Is that right? I definately want the older version if it is. Mine is kinda dead feeling on bottom. My 03 felt a lot better. I'm still getting 0336 and 0606 codes with engine light, so I gotta send it back. Thought I would get it reprogrammed to the older version while they had it.