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Eco Diesel VS. Cummins. Why Eco Diesel?

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Trading in my Ecoboost for a 2016 Ecodiesel

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While I have no dog in this fight,I work on both the 6.7 and the Eco-diesel.They both have their place in todays world,the trick is to know the version that will work for you.FCA seems to respond to new issues with the eco diesel quicker than the 6.7.Not having seen any hi mile eco diesels we can't get a true read on how they will hold up in the real world.
I have yet to find an eco diesel owner yet who has not been happy with the package either in the GC or truck
 
They had a lot of engine failures due to shipping the fuel lines inside cardboard boxes and not capping the lines which allowed contaminates after the filter to cause injector failures resulting in engine failures.
 
And again, if someone thinks IVECO/FPT doesn't know how to build an Engine.

Please read this > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iveco before tell storys that doesn't have a background.

There's nothing like inferior or superior, FPT is along with Cummins one of the biggest player in the Diesel Engine Business.
I wouldn't think a second to buy either of it.

Oh and to smog, the European test cycles for the engines/vehicles are much harder to pass then the US standards because the Euros have to pass it with COLD! Engine, from the first turn of the crankshaft - not with warmed up Engine like US Standards'.
That's why we can't import a lot of US Vehicles - they just don't meet our Euro 4/5/6 Standards.
 
And again their engines are good, but they are gutless wonders, I just got stuck behind an IVECO trying go up an on-ramp that had a 3% grade and it struggled at 40MPH. The fuel line issue has been corrected, and I'm sure they are doing better. But this is a Cummins vrs fiat Eco diesel thread and I chose Cummins in a half ton truck. The worrying part is the rest of the Nissan truck, so time will tell. I am a loyal Dodge Ram fan and was before Cummins got involved. But there were a lot of Ford fans that liked the Cummins but hated the truck. I kind of compare this conversation to that comparison. I think Nissans chances are very good to getting many 1/2 ton truck fans to switch loyalties, but time will tell.
 
TIME WILL TELL is the theme for today.

So what your saying is that Fiat diesel's are better than Cummins, if you think Fiat is not an inferior engine. Also you should then be OK with Fiat ending the Cummins contract and going with their in-house diesel. But time will tell.

First off, those fiat diesels you want to compare with, are medium duty trucks that cant even get out of thier own way, but they are a cheap option for small business, and seem to always get in front of me on a two lane country road where I cant pass them. Sort of like the old VW bus, last one up the hill, first one to go over the top of the hill. I'm sorry if you are insulted that I think Fiat diesel's are inferior to Cummins but thats my opinion. We wouldn't be having this discussion if Obama didn't give away Chrysler and screw the investors over the Union contracts. Cummins would be in a 1500 Dodge, and would kill the market. But now Fiat, in their greed, went with an in-house diesel and opened up the market to the competitors. So now Nissan has a very good engine and transmission with a strong chassis. Toyota is not going to sit on the sidelines and so now there is another competitor, even though they are behind the competition now. If Fiat would have gone with the Cummins engine, both Toyota and Nissan would still be looking for an engine to compete. But time will tell.

I did look into getting an Eco-Diesel for my new service truck, but they can't support the service bed when equiped, so I went with the 2500 and to my surprize, my company bought it for me. Had the Titan been available with the Cummins, it just might have been able, the vans available have a very stout chassis, and that is another plus for Nissan. But time will tell.

The Aluminum Heads on the Isuzu (Duramax) have been updated several times due to failure under stock power levels. That and the Glowplugs that took out engines. Unfortunatly Aluminum heads are here to stay, but I would trust Cummins to get it right. But time will tell.

Lots of anecdotal "evidence" in this thread.

I went with the 1500 Eco because I don't need to tow heavy, and the tow rating is not far off from my 2000 F250 7.3. I get a car like ride, a super smooth 8 speed transmission built by ZF, great mileage for a 6000lb truck, and it's 4wd and turbocharged so it won't be affected by altitude. I was looking at EcoBoost F150's and Hemi 1500's, but the MV Motori engine won me over.

Oh, and the unloaded 0-60 times are almost identical between the 6.7 Cummins 2500 and a 3.0 MV 1500.
 
I'm new to this site and love reading the pro's and con's of your experiences with the Eco Diesels and the Cummins. I for one have owned both and frankly I prefer the Cummins over the Eco diesel in reliability and longevity. I just traded my 2014 Ram Crew Cab Lone Star Eco Diesel 4x4 that I purchased new a year and a half ago and put 22,000 miles on it. I loved the fuel mileage averaging 23 mpg city and seen as high as 31 mpg on long highway trips. At 2,000 miles I started getting the dreaded CEL light. I had this truck in the shop over 22 times with numerous exhaust temp sensors replaced, SCR replaced, O2 sensors, Nox sensors, multiple heat/coolant exchange valves replaced, the computer was replaced and what drove me over the edge was they informed me that all the wiring harnesses needed to be replaced because it had a short somewhere in it and they couldn't track it down so they needed to replace all of it! I also had the problem of my coolant disappearing and having to add about a gallon to the reservoir about every month and a half.
I had a 1998 Cummins 5.9 12V Dually 3500 4x4 5 speed manual and never had any problems with the truck except for it rusting to the ground. lol
I traded the Eco Diesel for a 2016 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins Crew Cab Laramie 4x4 6 speed manual transmission. Plus having another 3500 I can easily pull my 7,000lb tractor and 3,000lb tilt trailer with ease compared to the 1/2 ton Eco Diesel which the towing capacity was roughly 3,000lbs less than what it was rated for but believe it or not the Eco Diesel pulled it well and I would of kept my truck if it wasn't for all the problems I had with it...
 
Thanks for posting you're experience Watersupply. I'm surprised that your dealer couldn't get your trucks problem sorted. Seems it had a deeper root cause they couldn't identify.
 
Until ram recalls most EDs made to replace the oil Exchanger its ticking bomb, I know of 2 owners on 3rd engine and 2 on 2nd engine and if the boards are correct 100s failed and waiting replacement engines form same problem oil exchanger failure, the lies FCA uses needs to end NOW, to salvage any leftovers, I do oil/coolant testing every 3K miles the 1st sign of contaminates FCA will be sued for full refund. Heck the exchangers have been failing for 18 months, that's plenty of data time and NO excuses, even no production delays, it getting to be FUBAR.
 
watersupply189, you couldn't lemon law that truck? Seems like a lot of problems with one truck. They must have given you a great deal on your new truck.
 
Watersupply, good decision, I'm just PO that Ram is sleeping on these failure, With the catastrophic result form the failure , I could not sleep at night until I found out why, and I would stop production until then. its not a leaky water pump ,or failed in-tank pump or a bad seal leak, the darn thing can destroy the whole motor.
 
Yes they did RVTRKN. dealer Sold me the truck at his cost and all factory incentives plus $37,000 for the trade in. I couldn't say no to that. Lol
 
Having A 1 ton, I wouldn't even bother going to the 1/2ton. it would have to be a smoking deal. especially since you are getting close to paying it off. no payments are better than any payment. Now, if I just had to have a 1/2ton, I'd still go Eco if I felt I was keeping it long term. if I knew I was getting rid of it before payments were done, then I'd go Hemi. Usually, diesels last longer, so in the long term, Eco would win out.

I intend to keep my 1 ton for a LONG time so going to gas was just not in the cards and I did not want to continually move up to a bigger truck because the wife and I might need it. Go big out the door and be done with it. sure, I'd get hella better MPGs out of the hemi, but I don't want to waste time with trading up to something more capable pulling ANY 5th wheel.

On a sidenote, because of the rearend issue I had a few weeks ago, I was seriously considering trading up to a 15 or 16 and dropping down to a 2500 CTD. problem is, none of the dealers would give me a lower payment than I have now with my current truck owing less than it's worth... WTF??? Seriously, I'm gonna pay more a month with less truck? (and a new 1 ton was even worse) no dice. I'll keep the 1 ton.
 
Until ram recalls most EDs made to replace the oil Exchanger its ticking bomb, I know of 2 owners on 3rd engine and 2 on 2nd engine and if the boards are correct 100s failed and waiting replacement engines form same problem oil exchanger failure, the lies FCA uses needs to end NOW, to salvage any leftovers, I do oil/coolant testing every 3K miles the 1st sign of contaminates FCA will be sued for full refund. Heck the exchangers have been failing for 18 months, that's plenty of data time and NO excuses, even no production delays, it getting to be FUBAR.

I don't understand why any dealer would want to replace the engine for oil in the coolant. A quart of dish soap and a few flushes is all that is needed after the new cooler is installed. I don't understand why any owner would want to have a dealer install the engine and have to swap over all the other parts. The chances of them screwing up something else are far greater than any damage some oil is going to do to the cooling system.
 
We'll sag2 unless you do oil analysis or visual inspection to the bottom end You have NO idea if some coolant not in the crankcase or how much...if you catch it quickly just the change out and flush is good, I'm doing oil analysis every 3K and coolant analysis 1K I was doing coolant every 3K but its easy to do and I'm only put 12-15 yearly. If My oil exchanger fails I'm not wasting My time at some smoke screen Dealer service Dept. I'm going right to district court BC this is a KNOW failure and Ram had 18 months of data to at least recognize the failures. I did the math at the Ram1500 forum you are 200 times more likely to have your oil exchanger fail on the ED then Injector failure during Warranty time frame. Do you remember when just a few 2003-04 Dodge Cummins Trans exchanger were failing do to hard lines Dodge had a recall in 12 months, Heck with the intell I have that some early 2014 EDs had failures back in April-May 14 C'mon its FUBAR... and I don't use FUBAR often.

I will serve/motion to the court to preside over a subpoena on the EDs Failure, In MN when cause is bought against anyone The Plaintiff(s) have the right for disclosure , if Ram fights it will prove I'm right if they don't and I'm wrong I will motion to court to dismiss and I will make formal apology and Repair My ED myself.

Yes the maker has the right to honor the warranty, But not replace with another defect part that has establish failures, its know as bad faith...

I would also like to add that I was assured that at the time I order my ED the problem was resolved and only related to poor manufacturing. 1 owner posted that his 2016 with a build date of Sept 15, He post pictures of the de-gas bottle.

Sag2 I agree to change out and replace and flush...if the failing part is replace with the problem that cause the failure corrected, not with the same part with the same possible failure, that just bad faith and is against the law were I live and if FCA doesn't like the law in MN they can pick up and leave.

My last 1/2 tons were Ram/Gas and were problem free..... Why are they letting this get so out of hand?

I have associate business that uses exchangers similar to the EDs and we had early failures The maker work with us and we were able to correct the problem in under 3 months at considerable cost to Us. so I'm very very familiar with this type of exchanger and why they fail.
 
I had a ecodiesel for 7 months and put 25,000 miles on it. It rode great, got great fuel mileage (fully 21.5mpg avg). It would not pull my enclosed car trailer what I would consider safety in bad weather. I traded it off and went back to a 2500 cummins. I love both trucks, just can't get used to a lighter truck.
 
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