Edge Comp Or Blue Chip Box

[spooledup]

PLAIN AND SIMPLE WHO MAKES A BETTER BOX ?

WOULD LIKE TO GET PROS AND CONS ON BOTH.

 

[LSMITH]

If it were my money the TST PowerMax 3 and the Blue Chip Premium FMS would be the contenders, and I would probably buy the FMS... ... ... ... .



Cons to the Comp when compared to the others are:



1, no gauges available

2, no EGT limiting feature

3, more timing than I like

4, no custom tuning available

5, the packaging is nearly as ugly as the fms





Pros for the others would be that they have the things the comp does not, the only strike for the FMS is it is UGLY... ... ...

 

[78repowerwagon]

If I had it to do over again, I would still get the FMS. If you don't want the extra features then check out the Adjustable Power Box from Blue Chip. It is adjustable from 0-135 horsepower with the turn of a knob. Not bad for $495 IMO.

 

[jrandol]

My FMS Premium box was definetely the right choice for me. Great deal as it has many guages already built in, so the value is excellent. Many people here have the comp box and I think it is probably a good system as well. Have had one on mine but only ran like an EZ with no pump wire tapped. From my best guesses I think the FMS Premium allows for quite a bit more fuel to be added to the ISB than the Comp box. My only problem I have ran into with the FMS is it allows so much fuel that if I step into it real hard with just banjos installed the darn thing defuels itself. I will have to do more fuel delivery upgrades. The bright side of all this is the safeguards built into the box. Set your EGT level and it has a preset low fuel pressure level (2psi) and it turns itself off for fueling, that in itself could save a guy alot of money and let them focus on the road as they are tearin it up instead of being fixated on the guages. Just my . 02

 

[Amianthus]

I used to be a huge Edge fan (Still am really). But I gotta tell ya the FMS is the way to go right now. It's not so much a power advantage, as it is the added features that come with it. That's where the FMS really shines over the other fueling boxes. EGT limiting, peak level data recording, VP-44 pump diagnostics (pump voltage, trigger, signal levels), no need for external gauges (unless you're running 80 psi boost ), modifiable data display, and on and on.

I will never have anything ill to say about the Edge Comp. It works as advertised and works well. I still have an EZ and won't give it up for anything. Not to mention the customer service from Edge is excellent. But the FMS, for a fueling box only, has the competition on the run, IMHO. I'd recommend the FMS. Hope this helps.

 

[JR2]

It depends on what exactly you are looking for in a "box". Like the guys have said the FMS has alot of options and fancy features, but if you already have gauges then you really don't need the others.



I have an Edge Drag Comp box and it has worked great since I got it. Before that I had a Power Edge (fueling box) and an Edge EZ timing box. Both of those worked well too.



If it just comes down to who throws down the most Hp. I belive the comp wins that one.



John

 

[overfueled]

Want power F.M.S. wins hands down

Looking for power the F. M. S. wins on the dyno every time. I have checked don't waste your time go with the best, He is the inventor and designer of all major fueling boxes on the market today. And has the patent to prove it. OverFueled

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

as far as power heres some teseting i did. https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26902&highlight=fms #ad




as you can see box for box the comp makes way more power down low were we need it for everyday driving. the fms has more features but it is a lot more $ comsidering you would have to buy a ez or other timing be just to compete with the comp.



jim

 

[Snow man]

Thanks you Jim,this is what I have been saying every time they bring up these threads,they need to buy 2 boxes to make the full power the Drag comp does. If I love the power the Edge box makes. My friend has an FMS on an auto,similar to mine,its very soggy ,and has slower spool up,once its spooled its isnt much different than mine,but by then im already so far ahead it doesnt matter. On paper peak HP isnt much different,drive them both ,huge difference. You need an Edge EZ stacked to compare them,but that adds big $$ to the cost.

 

[Sled Puller]

A sad day for me- reading about boxes in the 24 valve forum.



Dad has a 99 virgin,, we need to fix it. Oo.

 

[78repowerwagon]

The dyno chart is marked Blue Box not FMS. There is a big differance of power levels between the two plus fueling rates are much different. That would be like running the comp on level 4x2 or something close to that.

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

it was the fms box, i just labeled it blue box when we dyno'd them.



jim

 

[78repowerwagon]

That is the problem with dynos, they are only as accurate as the operator lets them be. I have seen plenty of dyno runs of the FMS outperforming the Edge Comp or the other way around or tst on top(you get the pic). A crafty dyno operator can do many things to get the chart he needs to make the sale.



From what I have found, The COMP is comparable to the TST 3 and FMS. Add timing to the TST or FMS and the comparable Edge would be the Drag Comp. In the end it boils down to features. You have to have guages so why not take the guage money and get a box that has them built in and get alot of other features free(defuel,low fuel pressure-fms,trans temp-tst,race mode-fms etc... ).



I personally prefer the timing of the Blue Chip box stacked with the FMS or TST over the Edge Comp. The engine likes it better, too.

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

that's what i don't under stand why should someone buy two boxes to compete with one? i will just say i have never lost to a fms box, at the track or the dyno. i'm not saying it won't happen but it hasn't in two years. i would be willing to bet that 95% of the 24v trucks over 700rwhp are running edge comp's.



jim

 

[greyghost]

2 cents (long sorry)

I bought a PE Comp. I tow quite a bit and wanted the extra power to get things moving and keep it move over the passes. A buddy bought the TST 3. He seems to have a little more top end but down low I can get moving a little faster from a dead stop. (both of us are close on weight all though his is 01 HO).



The heat, I have to drive off the gauges, the TST has a bunch of extras to protect things. But I waited an hour for my buddy to jack around with all settings and I still kick his butt pulling from Denver to Grand Junction. I also got a little better fuel mileage (maybe the HO?).



Fuel Pressure, stock lift pump doesn't quite get the job done. PE Comp set at 5 X 5 pressure goes into the red. (same thing happens to my buddy's truck with the TST)



Install took 30 mins, 20 min to get the courage to tap the fuel wire (voids warranty). Don't know about the TST



Wish I would have done the mod sooner.

 

[Roger rodbolt]

Originally posted by CUMINNTSTRKN

that's what i don't under stand why should someone buy two boxes to compete with one? i will just say i have never lost to a fms box, at the track or the dyno. i'm not saying it won't happen but it hasn't in two years. i would be willing to bet that 95% of the 24v trucks over 700rwhp are running edge comp's.



jim

Jim,

What's up with all the ... . ? Why buy two boxes? First because two boxes work better then the combo box. Second, it allows you to use different timing for different setups (I keep three different timing boxes). Why does Diesel Dynamics sell rebadged Edge products with different timing maps? I could ask why you have to buy a thousand $'s worth of digital instruments with a Comp to have the features found in an FMS?? but I know the answer to that one, it's freedom of choice. Why do you have to pay extra for a Drag Comp or special TST box if you don't want them to defuel around 2700rpm? Why do the some the other max performance boxes run rough and buck at high power levels or when throttle is released. and the FMS doesn't surge or buck. Why don't the other boxes allow you to set a safe egt temp for defueling to protect your engine like the FMS?



If you don't want all the bells and whistles on a FMS you can buy the new APB box from Blue Chip for $495 (RETAIL! & shipped free) and have the most convenient power adjustment of any box, the smooth power delivery of an FMS, no rpm defueling and 63% VP dwell, which fully empties the VP44, even with smaller injectors. Add an EZ or insert your favorite timing box and enjoy.



Let's see... ... ... ..... 95% of the 24V CTD's over 700hp run Comps!!! Guess I should sell my FMS... ... . How many 24V CTD's are over 700hp? How many make 700hp on diesel only (surely you don't rate electronic fueling devices when using drugs)?



Last, your dyno comparison chart clearly shows that the FMS makes more horsepower and torque if test apples to apples (you add a timing box). We discussed this before. A timing box will add 35-65hp midrpm and 20-40hp peak... ... ... ... ... ... . just add up the numbers. Sorry, if I'm a bit rowdy, I had a tough day fighting a bunch of BS at work.

Larry

 

[Sled Puller]

How many 24 valves is there over 700hp?

 

[kaptn]

I know nobody asked but I will throw in another box. I have the JVD Torque Enhancer. 3 settings on toggle switch. Center=off down=mild (20% more power) up=wild (50% more power). This thing rocks.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by CUMINNTSTRKN

that's what i don't under stand why should someone buy two boxes to compete with one



jim

There are many older boxes out there that can be purchased for real cheap! This is a great option for someone that has just a timing box to start with... then wants to add a fueling box on top of it without wasting "extra" cash.



As for timing... and large injectors... . well I have a fix for that... . it's called the Diablo Power Puck... . that serial port in the top really comes in handy!



Oo. :-laf

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

larry



it sounds like a the start of a transmission thread.



jpdowdle



asked what the better box was. if the ? is power the comp wins, if he wants built in guages and things the fms is the box. if you look on my dyno chart you can see the drag comp fuels another 150rpm past the fms box. i have tried both box's on the dyno not many can say that, that's why i replied to this thread. if 700rwhp # doesn't work, how about over 600 on #2? there's a handful of us and i can't think of one of them that runs anything but a edge comp.



jim