Edge ez

[RottonRob]

I was reading a post and it said that the Edge Ez was not good for the injecters. Is this true??? Thanks

 

[HBarlow]

I know very little about the magic black boxes for good reason so I don't know what an EZ does but if it increases rail pressure you're asking for trouble. I think that is what the post you're inquiring about said.

Many who know about injectors will tell you the HPCR injectors are somewhat fragile and increasing rail pressure can cause stress cracks in injector bodies or nozzles. If an injector fails and continues flowing fuel you're likely melt the top out of a piston. Very expensive if it happens.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

The Edge EZ is a lighter version of the Edge Comp I have had on my '02 truck since new, and no issues so far...

 

[JJPage]

Depending which version of EZ you have, it is possible to exceed safe rail pressure and damage injectors on a common rail. I have one of the first EZ's with 6 sets of pins, Edge advertised it as having 4 power levels, one of which was stock. Someone... figured out two more settings which were more powerful but not safe, Edge then clipped the extra pins on later models, and then incorporated a switchable knob on even later models.

I ran my EZ on my 03 since new, mostly on #2 until about a year and a half ago, when the electronics on #2 circuit started acting up, the other settings still work without issues, but under advisement I removed it before it failed completely at an inopportune time and place. I did not have any injector failures... but did I cause premature wear on them?

I read somewhere that Bosch stated their common rail injectors could run all day at (28k psi iirc), but pressure spikes surpassing that level caused serious damage. I believe abruptly chopping the the throttle, from wot to zero(even though they are supposed to ramp down), causes pressure spikes that can hurt injector bodies, tips, and internals, any device that raises rail pressure above factory specs can only exacerbate the issue.

 

[Bob4x4]

The Edge EZ is a lighter version of the Edge Comp I have had on my '02 truck since new, and no issues so far...

Gary you need to get up to Speed on the common rail stuff

 

[RottonRob]

Thanks for the replys.
What would be a good box to use?

 

[AEdelheit]

I like the smarty, you can adjust rail pressure, torque managment, HP level, Speedometer if you have different size tires.

 

[Slow Six]

Thanks for the replys.

What would be a good box to use?

In my opinion and with my experience on my 03, no box is good to use. I went through 2 sets of injectors, a transmission and the rear diff. I towed fairly heavy and the drive train did not like the extra power. Something else I noticed is the engine oil stayed a lot cleaner after going back to stock. I spent a lot of money on "boxes" and other mods and removed most of them. I feel that I wasted a lot of money that I should have kept to help pay for my present truck which tows better than the 03 ever did even turned up.

 

[HBarlow]

The Edge EZ is a lighter version of the Edge Comp I have had on my '02 truck since new, and no issues so far...

Your truck is not even similar to the one the op is inquiring about.

 

[BDaugherty]

JJPage had the best answer. One of my customer's has over 200K on his '03 HO 3500 auto with nearly all of that running an Edge mileage max. (yes, I know it's not the EZ, but similar with regards to rail psi)

 

[HBarlow]

JJPage had the best answer. ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .....

The best answer because you agree with it?

The correct answer should be the one that is accurate or a fact. Increasing rail pressure can and occasionally will crack injector bodies and injector tips.

 

[JR]

And I suppose his statement is wrong because you disagree, right? The first half of your first sentence in your first statement says it all. If you have no experience or knowledge on something, the rest is just opinion so explain why someone elses opinion means nothing and yours does.

 

[AEdelheit]

Ahhhh classic Harvey babbling, priceless.

Rotten Rob: you will find many different opinions on here, many people have no experience with what they are talking about. You will find majority of people who run good programmers don't have issues, while some do. Many people with stock trucks have issues, some don't. People with programmers that have issues often blame programmers they may or may not be the cause. Anyone who refers to then as magic boxes probably Isint the best source for info. And then there's the people who think your an idiot if your anything but stock and should just buy a new truck, real helpful.

I personally run a Smarty with mild rail pressure, neve had a problem nor has anyone else I personally know unless they were being real stupid with there trucks. I'm far more concerned about good fuel filtration and keeping water out of the fuel over rail pressure. Read everything you can and use your good judgment to determin the best solution for your situation.

 

[AEdelheit]

And I suppose his statement is wrong because you disagree, right? The first half of your first sentence in your first statement says it all. If you have no experience or knowledge on something, the rest is just opinion so explain why someone elses opinion means nothing and yours does.

Ohhhh I've played this game before, HAHHAHAHHAHAA ahhhh good luck!!!

 

[SierraRam]

I have seen many injectors fail on stock trucks too????????





The logic should be that inceasing power results in increased wear and tear. Increasing preasure results in increased wear and tear. You have to way the risks yourself. I personally prefer a programmer over a box. The EZ's electronics seem not to last. Edge will usually make it right but when the electonics fail bad things can happen real fast.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Gary you need to get up to Speed on the common rail stuff

YUP - I think you're right Bob - I was primarily trying to suggest that the EZ might be less aggressive than other setups, but apparently, wrong again!

 

[Bob4x4]

YUP - I think you're right Bob - I was primarily trying to suggest that the EZ might be less aggressive than other setups, but apparently, wrong again!

Yea the 3rd gens are a different breed,and the 6. 7s are a whole different game again. Looking forward to the 13. 5s to see if they got it right

 

[Bob4x4]

I have seen many injectors fail on stock trucks too????????





The logic should be that inceasing power results in increased wear and tear. Increasing preasure results in increased wear and tear. You have to way the risks yourself. I personally prefer a programmer over a box. The EZ's electronics seem not to last. Edge will usually make it right but when the electonics fail bad things can happen real fast.

Edge has changed the old reliable ez isn't so reliable anymore and they seem to always want some money when you send the box in

 

[JJPage]

JJPage had the best answer. One of my customer's has over 200K on his '03 HO 3500 auto with nearly all of that running an Edge mileage max. (yes, I know it's not the EZ, but similar with regards to rail psi)

Thanks BD, I try to give sound advice, but sometimes fail miserably.

The correct answer should be the one that is accurate or a fact. Increasing rail pressure can and occasionally will crack injector bodies and injector tips.

HB, I believe my answer was accurate based on experience, belief and of course opinion... . I believe I stated the same info as your second sentence above, however what I wrote about Bosch injectors and their pressure rating was brought up from memory... and may not be fact.



This(TDR), in my opinion, is the PREMIER Cummins website, and folks come here looking for advice because they believe it too. HB you are correct in the realm that our answers/advice be accurate and factual. I thought I remembered a thread/poll not so long ago about "getting to the point" or "walking around the barn"? I'll be the first to admit, I walk around the barn often, life wouldn't have much joy without a barnwalk or two.



Jess

 

[cerberusiam]

Yes, the EZ is a pressure box. Yes, it is har don injectors even on lower settings becuase the increased pressure increases the wear if you don't add extra filters. Its not a bad power adder but you can't run it to its potential with breaking things and adding more filters. Ever other box out there adds pressure just not a consistent ramp like some so it is a toss up for cost versus functionality.



Smarty has th emost potential for control and least problems of them all. Thats about all you can go by.