Edge Hot Juice

[michaelRitz]

Just recently got my Edge juice back from edge, now a hot juice, so far I think i had more power with the regular Juice, it through a P2149 code but know it is gone, but still no noticeable difference. Not for supposed to being 180hp. In contact with edge as we speak. Anybody else with the hot juice on 2005 610. I will sell or scrap this if need be and go with tst/edge ez stack and analog guages instead of Hot Juice/Attitude. Any thoughts or comments. Note: I understand I dont have my FASS on yet but soon, but before the regular juice would starve the motor for fuel on 4 and 5 and now that dont happen. I am going to do some more driving on each setting and go from there. Hopefully will get this hot juice alive, because I really like the edge juice and attitude just want the power. What does everybody think of Edge, I thought well when I bought this product but we will see, dont need another banks.

 

[CLAYTON]

Does it feel like it pulls hard and then runs out of steam? What other mods do you have done to your truck? Did the P2149 pop up before your truck was all the way warmed up or go into limp mode when that happened?

 

[JCrockett]

I have the Hot Juice as well, I think it runs better than the standard version. I think it smokes more on all settings thatn before. This weekend it through the P2149 code, I unhooked the Juice, turned the key on and off three times, code disappeared, hooked the Juice back up and no problems so far. I know mine has more power, I did the 1/4 mile test on the original version on 5 I was in the 16's, with the Hot I got 15. 2 and that was after letting off for a corner before the test was over. What are you comparing you "Power" too? Do you have any times that you can compare too?

 

[JVolpe]

Michael,



I PM'd you. According to Edge the 40/60/80/100hp settings are the same program as the standard Juice. Level 1 just starts at 40hp instead of 20hp and level 5 is now 180hp. I have not had any problems out of mine. The 100hp setting dyno'd about the same as before. The 180hp setting added 48rwhp more than the 100hp. With EZ Level 2 added another 15rwhp. I am pretty sure that on the 180hp and EZ stack I am running out of fuel. That is being addressed in the next couple of weeks.



Just my experience with the HOT Juice.

 

[RChamberlain]

I know mine runs better than the orignal.

 

[smokejunkie]

double check your connections. you should be able to tell a BIG difference on level 5 now.

 

[OT-OF-HERE!!]

HOT Juice

The problem is the defueling relative to the EGT and also if you don't have a built transmission then it feels like it's giving up on you between 3rd and od. What I did to overcome the defueling was to 1st set my levels high on the programming and then I had pre and post egt probes so I switched those and it doesn't defuel and it hauls. Even with the built transmission I had to go to the Commander to get a slam shift from 3rd to od. I read a post once where there is some way to snip a wire down by the transmission and it will then give it a slam shift into od. That feeling is awesome. The only problem still existing is I think to get the most out of the HOT Juice then you need a turbo upgrade for that much fuel expecially if stacked with the EZ. My numbers in my sig were not the HOT Juice, as you would suspect but rather the standard Juice and EZ stacked.

 

[JVolpe]

Ot-Of-Here,



I agree, I now have a tc/trans that can handle the power. If I want to see what it really does, I turn of all backoff on the Attitude. I made 433hp with 180hp and ez level 2. I made 415 with 100hp and ez 2. Pretty sure that I ran out of fuel on the high end on both. The dyno sheets pretty much show that. I have a FASS and turbo on order. Then I will know exactly what the Juice 180HP and EZ level 3 will do.

 

[OT-OF-HERE!!]

HOT Juice,EZ and new Turbo

Ot-Of-Here,



I agree, I now have a tc/trans that can handle the power. If I want to see what it really does, I turn of all backoff on the Attitude. I made 433hp with 180hp and ez level 2. I made 415 with 100hp and ez 2. Pretty sure that I ran out of fuel on the high end on both. The dyno sheets pretty much show that. I have a FASS and turbo on order. Then I will know exactly what the Juice 180HP and EZ level 3 will do.

With both boxes turned up, the builts transmission, the upgraded turbo and if you can adjust her to get it to quit defueling long enough I say you'll hit 500HP. Let us know.

 

[Camp]

I threw the P2149 code two weekends ago while pulling my race trailer up the Columbia River Valley in Washington, in 102 degree heat. When I got to our event, I pulled the Hot Juice and got the code to reset. Before returning to Denver, I reinstalled the Juice to see if it would do it again and drove all the way home, without a code. The problem is, that code is for a harness problem on injector group 1-3. I had problems going both ways where it would feel like one of the injectors just wouldn't fire some times when pulling the hills. I'm can't really say why it didn't throw a code on the way home but, it didn't, even though it had the same symptoms. Some times it goes from having a ton of power to falling flat on its face too, seemingly related to the first injector not firing event.



I called Edge as soon as they opened last Monday. They knew about the code problem and asked me if I was pulling hard and if it was hot. Of course I answered yes to both and they told me it is a known problem. Their engineers know what the problem is and are working on the fix. It is a heat related problem. They said to call them back in about 2 weeks and they should have a fix. That means I will be calling them next week and see what they say.



Just thought I would let you guys know what I have found out with that code so far.

 

[JasonCzerak]

Edge told me that on stock fuel, I shouldn't ever run out of fuel on level 5 with just the edge + attitude.



I think at times I do. If I am, how much damage over time does the injector pump have? I hope in a few months I'll get the FASS and then jump on the hot juice... . right after my new clutch... ...



Anyone wanna lend me $$$$?

 

[CLAYTON]

Can you hear it when it runs out of fuel or just feel it run out of power?



Any problems with stock turbos with this hot box?

 

[JVolpe]

I dont hear it so much as the power just levels off at a rpm level that keeps pulling strong on lower hp/EZ settings. When I tried a pull at Juice 180hp and EZ level 3 it started pulling very strong, and then just fell off completely. The hp curve on the dyno was climbing way ahead of other settings before it just fell off.



So far the turbo has survived. The higher settings push to about 42psi and stay there if I do. The Quad Race box would push it to 44psi before I switched to the HOT Juice.



The EGTs are still pretty well in check. At the track I did not see EGTs over 1450* on 180hp and EZ level 2.

 

[RChamberlain]

I dont hear it so much as the power just levels off at a rpm level that keeps pulling strong on lower hp/EZ settings. When I tried a pull at Juice 180hp and EZ level 3 it started pulling very strong, and then just fell off completely. The hp curve on the dyno was climbing way ahead of other settings before it just fell off.



So far the turbo has survived. The higher settings push to about 42psi and stay there if I do. The Quad Race box would push it to 44psi before I switched to the HOT Juice.



The EGTs are still pretty well in check. At the track I did not see EGTs over 1450* on 180hp and EZ level 2.

Wow I have only seen 35 psi on my stock turbo with the hot juice, and my egts have only hit 1350. That is with my alarms on so that might be why.

 

[JVolpe]

Dynos and races I turn off all defueling. 12-15 seconds of WOT should not damage anything. If it does then I will be deeper in debt.



FASS and turbo ordered.

 

[DBeardslee]

Just a dumb question being that I know that the Hot Juice has not been out very long and everyone is still playing but what is it doing to your economy?? I am trying to decide whether or not to send my box of while getting a injector fixed at the dealer and going from there.

 

[JVolpe]

Well the only difference on the HOT Juice is that you loose 20hp setting on Level 1, Level 1 becomes 40hp, Level 2 60hp etc. Level 5 jumps to 180hp setting. I have been running on Level 1 (40hp) most of the time and my milleage is the same as before on same hp level. It is better on that setting than stock setting for me, maybe 1-1. 5mpg.

 

[driverno8]

Quesiton for you guys that have stacked the Juice/EZ. My buddy just did this on his '04 600 (completely stock). He said his EZ has only 3 levels. Don't they have 4 under the hood? My SO has only 4. Are they different on the '05 600s? Also, with a stock truck I'm trying to tell him he's loosing fuel. The trannies going to go and so is the turbo. What should the next mod be? I told him intake, fuel, trans, turbo in that order. Also, with this stack is it wise to still do gauges, even if he's using the Juice gauge? Thoughts?

 

[michaelRitz]

Edge is sending me a new Hot Juice and I will then send mine back to them and keep the knew one.

 

[Scrappy]

Quesiton for you guys that have stacked the Juice/EZ. My buddy just did this on his '04 600 (completely stock). He said his EZ has only 3 levels. Don't they have 4 under the hood? My SO has only 4. Are they different on the '05 600s? Also, with a stock truck I'm trying to tell him he's loosing fuel. The trannies going to go and so is the turbo. What should the next mod be? I told him intake, fuel, trans, turbo in that order. Also, with this stack is it wise to still do gauges, even if he's using the Juice gauge? Thoughts?

Is his truck a '04 555 or a '04. 5 600? the '04 juice already does pressure (same as EZ) if he stacks it, it will hurt something. the '04. 5 is fine stacked because it doesn't do pressure. the early EZ's had 4 levels, later ones lost the 4th level. My order was intake&exhaust, TST, transmission(clutch), turbo and still waiting for the fuel upgrade(FASS). He should be fine with the gauges on the juice, I wouldn't add any for boost or EGT, But he should add a transmission temp and maybe a fuel press. though.