Educating Peace Protestors

[DRR-24V]

What to do if you happen upon a peace rally by stupid, naive,

educated idiots, to teach them why force is sometimes needed:



1) Approach dumb rich ignorant person talking about "peace" and saying there should be, "no retaliation. "



2) Engage in brief conversation, ask if military force is appropriate.



3) When he says "No," ask, "Why not?"



4) Wait until he says something to the effect of, "Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not cause more violence. "



5) When he's in mid sentence, punch him in the face as hard as you can.



6) When he gets back up to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would, "be awful and he should not cause more violence. "



7) Wait until he agrees that he has pledged not to commit additional violence.



8) Punch him in the face again, harder this time.



Repeat steps 5 through 8 until they understand that sometimes it is necessary to punch back.

 

[Crazy Horse]

They'll get "it" in time.

 

[Champane Flight]

Ignorant

Do I have to say more?

 

[Bigsaint]

Let's give peace a chance

Okay, that's long enough. Now resort to step one .



Do I have to say more ?



Scott W.

 

[Champane Flight]

I guess I do

This country was founded on protest. I would be seriously worried if there were no protests. Anyone would choose peace over war(at least anybody in his right mind). However,in this case there is NO choice. They have not given us one. We can live in fear and wait for the next attack or go after them,period.



I for one listen to protests,they hold another point of veiw. Sometimes not a valid point of veiw,but another point of veiw. It behooves us all to take a look at the other side from time to time. Let us not be led down the golden path by our elected officials,blind. It would be a boring world if everyone thought the same. If these protests offend you,perhaps you are little to thin skinned to be going to war?



I fly my flag on my house,I do not like all this hype and sudden flag waving. I flew my flag before the 11th. I have seen everyone wave the flag and go off to war to many times I guess. It is not a good thing. It is something that has to done. So you folks don't mind if I don't revel in the chance to go hit protesters in the chops. Be careful one or two of them might hit back... ... .

 

[John Berger]

To Champane Flight

The protesters who founded this country laid everything they believed in and owned on the line. You make a good point, but it is irrelevant to the people being discussed in this thread. They hide behind the right of freedom of expression and spit derisively at what it takes from time to time to keep that right intact. To me that is unpatriotic and cowardly. And they do a grave dis-service to those who have put it all on the line so you and I can have this sometimes heated, but mostly civil, debate. Ignorance is a word that has been drawn like a gun in anger around these parts lately.

 

[nps]

What happened to humor?

In my book there's a difference between advocating for a peaceful solution as an alternative to violence in cases where one exists (not applicable for the Sept 11th incident IMHO) AND advocating for a peaceful solution because you are a lily-livered chickens%#t that expects everything and gives nothing in return.



Therefore my thinking is biased to feel that anyone protesting for non-violence in the current situation falls into the latter category. I openly admit that this thinking is my opinioned bias. I also believe that such protests in the past by the lily-livered variety has cost the lives of true patriots that understood and performed their duty under the Constitution and the law. That further fuels my bias - a point that I openly admit. The lily-livered variety spit on such patriots in the past - today an action that is punishable under law as assult with intent to kill thanks to HIV. This further fuels my bias.



My real question is what happened to humor. This is a damn funny joke and the thread has turned into another philosophical debate on constitutional rights.



Remember (Comedy) = (Tragedy) - (Me)

 

[John Berger]

Re: What happened to humor?

Originally posted by nps

My real question is what happened to humor. This is a damn funny joke and the thread has turned into another philosophical debate on constitutional rights.



Remember (Comedy) = (Tragedy) - (Me)

I couldn't agree with you more. I'm just weary of the assignment of ignorance by some on these threads. That is a very funny joke. It was making it's way around work yesterday. I gave it the widest possible dissemination.

 

[nps]

Re: Re: What happened to humor?

Originally posted by John Berger

I'm just weary of the assignment of ignorance by some on these threads.

John - I agree with you.



"I'm all for this and that under MY black and white interpretation of the constitution and you are WRONG and IGNORANT if you don't agree. "



I write it off as a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[DRR-24V]

This was originally posted for humor. After working Riot Control at UC Berkley, Isla Vista, Diablo Nuclear Plant, and VAFB Misslle Protests I admittedly despise most protesters. You see many of the same ones no matter what is being protested. Most of them are FILTHY and STINK. A working man could never get the time off to be a protester, he has to earn a living. I was waiting to see who would be offended first by this joke. I was betting on Jane Fonda, Mad Max or Phil Donahue.

 

[Champane Flight]

Like I said

Like I said before to thin skinned.....

 

[Champane Flight]

Suprized

I am deeply saddened that some believe that all peace protesters are lily livered. I knew a few that are not. They don't stink either. I think some need to take off their blinders. The VVAW were protesting the war,I don't think you would be able to get away with punching one of those guys in the nose. (Not without getting yours punched back).



The young protesters today(no matter how ill informed)are doing what they call a civil duty. They believe and feel strongly that it is their responsibilty to protest. I really don't think it is cowardly. I think it shows courage to stand against or for something you believe in. These kids have never seen an enemy in their life. They have been sheltered. I still believe they have a right to their opinion.



The real truth about Nam and the protesters of the past is that they(the protesters)did not cost lives in Nam. They just made it miserable for us when we came home. We all had a good laugh at Hanoi Jane. The real people that cost lives were our own leaders,military and political. I felt the same as you guys do when I went into the service. However being lied to by my country and my leaders quickly taught me to look at any goverment action with a little sceptisism. I was told by my country we were there to save the country from communism. I found out that the people only cared about a bowl of rice,not democracy. When they got a taste of democracy and their own draft(One minute your a 14 year old going to the store for your Mama,the next your an ARVN in basic,Mama never see's you again),they did not like it much. The Viet goverment was corrupt.



I know some Army,Marine,Navy,or Air Force basic training instructer might have told you that the protesters destroyed our moral,therefore cost lives. The real truth is that our military had such a black eye after Nam,that is the only way they could rational it. I know some that actually think we could have won in Nam. I have some swamp land over there for sale for you... ...



There is not a lot of good humor going around right now.

 

[nps]

Whatever

Whatever CF. At least you didn't use the ignorance flog.



I still think it was a funny joke and that's my constitutional right to think so (unless you want to take that away from me and give it to your protesters too. )

 

[Bill Lins]

Re: Suprized

Originally posted by Champane Flight

The VVAW were protesting the war,I don't think you would be able to get away with punching one of those guys in the nose. (Not without getting yours punched back).

I'll bet you none of them are protesting THIS war! They're probably checking their deuce gear and getting ready to saddle up.

 

[Bigsaint]

Humor

I read and replied to the post as humor, nothing more. I know that the protesters have a right to protest, doesn't mean that I have to like it and/or can't poke fun at it. Besides, we aren't allowed to punch unruly protesters anymore, now we have to spice them up with pepper spray (again, that's humor ).



Scott W.

 

[DRR-24V]

Re: Suprized

Originally posted by Champane Flight



The real truth about Nam and the protesters of the past is that they(the protesters)did not cost lives in Nam.



CP,

Who determines "THE REAL TRUTH" you? The above statement is in no way "A FACT" I suppose you think Hanoi Jane helped American POWs? Need I say more?

 

[Champane Flight]

I heard that story to.

I heard that story to. However after talking to a POW that was there,it turns out that the note was found by a guard after the meeting. It seems he (the guard)saw the passing of it. There are many storys about Hanoi Jane and the passing of a note from a POW to the NV. However,the truth is hard to find. In my opinion(and I am entitled to it also)Jane is a climb on any case for a headline kind of #@$%. But,I didn't see any men go AWOL after her little speech on Hanoi Hannahs radio.

 

[RobMitch]

This was forwarded to me, and the author brought out some very interesting points to ponder in our zest to make known our feelings of opposition.





Wednesday, October 03, 2001 By David Horowitz





I am a former anti-war activist who helped to organize the first campus

demonstration against the war in Vietnam at the University of California,

Berkeley in 1962. I appeal to all those young people who participated in

"anti-war" demonstrations on 150 college campuses this week, to think again

and not to join an "anti-war" effort against America's coming battle with

international terrorism.





The hindsight of history has shown that our efforts in the 1960s to end the

war in Vietnam had two practical effects. The first was to prolong the war

itself. Every testimony by North Vietnamese generals in the postwar years

has affirmed that they knew they could not defeat the United States on the

battlefield, and that they counted on the division of our people at home to

win the war for them. The Vietcong forces we were fighting in South Vietnam

were destroyed in 1968. In other words, most of the war and most of the

casualties in the war occurred because the dictatorship of North Vietnam

counted on the fact Americans would give up the battle rather than pay the

price necessary to win it. This is what happened. The blood of hundreds of

thousands of Vietnamese, and tens of thousands of Americans, is on the

hands of the anti-war activists who prolonged the struggle and gave victory

to the Communists.





The second effect of the war was to surrender South Vietnam to the forces

of Communism. This resulted in the imposition of a monstrous police state,

the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent South Vietnamese, the

incarceration in "re-education camps" of hundreds of thousands more, and a

quarter of a century of abject poverty imposed by crackpot Marxist economic

plans, which continue to this day. This, too, is the responsibility of the

so-called anti-war movement of the 1960s.





I say "so-called anti-war movement," because while many Americans were

sincerely troubled by America's war effort, the organizers of this movement

were Marxists and radicals who supported a Communist victory and an

American defeat. Today the same people and their youthful followers are

organizing the campus demonstrations against America's effort to defend its

citizens against the forces of international terrorism and anti-American

hatred, responsible for the September attacks.





I know, better than most, the importance of protecting freedom of speech

and the right of citizens to dissent. But I also know better than most,

that there is a difference between honest dissent and malevolent hate,

between criticism of national policy, and sabotage of the nation's

defenses. In the 1960s and 1970s, the tolerance of anti-American hatreds

was so high, that the line between dissent and treason was eventually

erased. Along with thousands of other New Leftists, I was one who crossed

the line between dissent and actual treason. (I have written an account of

these matters in my autobiography, Radical Son). I did so for what I

thought were the noblest of reasons: to advance the cause of "social

justice" and "peace. " I have lived to see how wrong I was and how much

damage we did - especially to those whose cause we claimed to embrace, the

peasants of Indo-China who suffered grievously from our support for the

Communist enemy. I came to see how precious are the freedoms and

opportunities afforded by America to the poorest and most humble of its

citizens, and how rare its virtues are in the world at large.





If I have one regret from my radical years, it is that this country was too

tolerant towards the treason of its enemies within. If patriotic Americans

had been more vigilant in the defense of their country, if they had called

things by their right names, if they had confronted us with the seriousness

of our attacks, they might have caught the attention of those of us who

were well-meaning but utterly misguided. And they might have stopped us in

our tracks.





This appeal is for those of you who are out there today attacking your

country, full of your own self-righteousness, but who one day might also

live to regret what you have done.





David Horowitz is editor-in-chief of FrontPageMagazine.com and president of

the Center for the Study of Popular Culture. He also appears frequently on

the Fox News Channel.

 

[Champane Flight]

Many

I have seen this letter and I feel that it has several flaws. One the man plainly has been told that the VC forces were destroyed in 68. That sure is funny,I wonder who the he11 was shooting at us. We had several run ins with NVA,but the majority of action inland from the borders were mostly VC.



The anti-war protesters of the 60s and 70s were a radical bunch,they did a disservice to their country and the men and women who fought in Nam. However this bunch that are demonstrating today are not in that catergory. Not everyone in this great country is going to believe the same. I for one think this is what makes this country great. It brings many ideals to light and furthers growth. Freedom of speech,whether it is a earned right or a given right,it is a right... . God Bless America... .

 

[nps]

It's still just as funny of a joke.