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I have a 600 with an EZ with no other mods and I am going on a long trip with my 5800+- travel trailer. DO i need to worry adout EGTthe temps on low setting?

I just put the gauges in and haven't made a run with the trailer yet. Any info would be great. thanx
 
I wouldn't think so, but I would have the egt gauge hooked up. Just for peace of mind, if you know what I mean. I have towed with the Edge EZ, about the same weight, on setting 4 with no problems, set the cruise at 65. But, I was on flat land, and only 300 miles round trip. Looks like you will be hitting some mountain ranges perhaps? I'd go for the peace of mind, hook up the egt gauge, or leave the box off.



Just my . 02



Mike
 
I can hit 1500 towing my gn trailer empty (8,300 lbs) up moderate grades. I tow on setting 1. Its been doing this for 56,000 miles and nothings broke yet. I do reccomend a bigger intake, a straight flow 4" muffler, and an EGT gauge minimum.
 
When you use the EZ make sure the turbo elbow is installed to give you more boost to keep the EGT down. Yes your muffler is restricted, and your exhaust manifold leaves a lot tobe desired, very restricted at 4 and 5 cylinders. Good luck. TBOB
 
MMalinowski said:
I have a 600 with an EZ with no other mods and I am going on a long trip with my 5800+- travel trailer. DO i need to worry adout EGTthe temps on low setting?

I just put the gauges in and haven't made a run with the trailer yet. Any info would be great. thanx

You should be fine just keep an eye on the egts I have pulled 16,000 lbs of tractor on a 32 foot trailer on lvl 4 with no major egt probs. . You might want to back out of the throttle when takeing steep hills. . Keep an eye on your guages you should be fine. . JMO
 
You guys need to remember that the "600" runs a lot hotter than the 555. The edge only has 3 levels and it comes with no "turbo elbow".



My parnters 03 never gets over 1000-1100 towing even heavy loads with his Predator on 50hp.
 
jnelson said:
You guys need to remember that the "600" runs a lot hotter than the 555. The edge only has 3 levels and it comes with no "turbo elbow".



My parnters 03 never gets over 1000-1100 towing even heavy loads with his Predator on 50hp.





The 600's run at the same or cooler than the 555's. They make more boost, have a bigger turbo (compressor and turbine housing), and better porting in the head. You say that the 600's run alot hotter than the 555's? Even if it does run hotter there isnt a very much leway because the majority of people on this board will tell you that their 555 runs very toasty.





The reason the 600's dont have a turbo elbow is because the ECM controls the WG actuator and if you are to "boost fool" then the ECM doesnt send a signal to the WG valve to open it (skyrocketing your boost #'s), the 600 boost #'s are diffrent upon every mash of the throttle. The major change is from the regular EZ and the 600 EZ is how it boost fools. Call edge and ask them if the EZ for the 600's boost fool like the previous EZ boxes, (it doesnt).
 
YES, you do... Altitude, altitude, altitude. You need a straight through muffler, and watch your egt gauge. Cylinder #5 will roast if you run it too hard. Just ask Shooter about $7500 shortblocks...
 
I have read the story of the hole in the piston and cylinder. Made me worry and that is what prompted my question. Has anyone found a solution to why it is #5 that seems to go in the 600? If there is a fix I would buy it in a New York minute! If anyone knows a proven solution to this prob I would like to here it as I love this truck and plan on keeping it a long time.
 
I was looking at ATS's web site and it said that there manifold will cure #4 &5 cylinder back pressure prob. Anyone tried this yet? Maybe D/C wil have to steal there disign and put a recall out for all the 600's. :-{}
 
yah you will be waiting along time for a recall like that. Every Diesel truck needs a pyrometer it's just a common rule for a safety net. you probably will be safe but that is just a hope it's really just too bad the manufacture's don't just step up and include them in guage cluster. a single pod and pyrometer aren't too expensive and they sure are worth it
 
Mattymac - Sorry buddy but your wrong. the 600 will run 200+ degress hotter on the egt's than the 555. If you think Im wrong e-mail cummins and ask them. I did.



Anyone on this board will probobly tell you the same thing. the 600 runs hotter than the 555. That is a fact.



My work partners truck never gets over 1100*. I can get upwards of 1500*. I even have a larger intake and a straight thru muffler.



If I am wrong could could you please tell me why the above is so?
 
Has anybody tried the new ATS Exhaust manifold. I am worried about how hot my 2004. 5 runs. It runs over 1100 degrees all the time. What would be the best fix. Why do the 555 trucks run so much cooler.
 
I have one of each, the 600 runs 200 - 400 Hotter. The 600 is as hot stock as my triple nickle is bombed, when doing the same work. (which means when producing the same power )
 
Well, I have an 03, but I do have the ATS exhaust manifold. If the 600's are running higher temps, it would be worth it in my book to install one. If for nothing else, peace of mind.



Mike
 
600s running hot

Yes, it's generally excepted that the 600s runner hotter than previous models. I've owned both and I'd say it's probably 200*. But when you consider all the improvments that were made to the 600 to handle heat then IMO it is much better to handle the heat than previous models, and the net affect is on the side of the 600. I had the '04 and went to the '04. 5 because of all the upgrades. You got a larger intercooler, stellite valves and seats, improved cooling pistons, larger, better cooling turbo and I'm sure I forgot other things, but since DCX knew the result of things like adding a cat and three injection fueling, ETC. , then they took the appropriate precautions to handle it since they expect you to tow and tow heavy with these trucks. Cummins has an unparalled rep in the Lt. truck application and you don't really think they'd jeopardise that by building a engine that couldn't take it? No one is coming clean on whether the old threshold of 1250* holds true on this engine. I've called Cummins Hot Line and also spoken to the DCX Area Serv. Mgr. , and neither know or or saying if that threshold has changed with the advent of all the upgrades to this engine. The party line is the 1250*, but when you get them passed the standard answer then they don't know or aren't saying since why would they want you to push the limit. So I say don't,... ... and have and use the gauge. A brief encounter with say 1400* is one thing but what many of us are talking about is sustained abuse of EGTs. That's where the shark infested water comes in. Having said that and what I've seen on an EGT gauge under different applications and having towed in excess of 4k lbs over CGVW successfully then I think anyone who doesn't pop for the security of a EGT gauge is foolish and taking unneeded chances. When you look at it, that gauge is the only thing between you and sitting on the side of the road scratching your head and asking "what the heck just happened". My $. 02.
 
OT-OF-HERE!!, I was looking at the aerotubine for my truck ,also a 04. 5,and was wondering if it actually lowers egt's like they claim. How has it worked for you?
 
Aeroturbine

MMalinowski said:
OT-OF-HERE!!, I was looking at the aerotubine for my truck ,also a 04. 5,and was wondering if it actually lowers egt's like they claim. How has it worked for you?



My guess, since I don't have quantifiable data would be do say YES, it does lower egts a tad bit. I would say that it probably is in the 100* to 200* range at the most. My problem is that I did multiple things when I did enhancements on my truck so I can't say for sure. In retrospect I wish I'd kept better data.



On the exhaust, mine is set up as follows: I used the stock 4" down pipe and I used the stocker pipe to approximately where the cat was and at that point I put my Aeroturbine, or what I like to call my performance cat :D . Then I have about a 2 1/2 foot piece of 4" stainless to my 26" Donaldson. I opted for the the shorter 26" since I can't get past my drag/street racing days which won't let me believe a 40" to 50" muffler provides the best sound and performance. Everyone to their own however. Out of the Donaldson I have an adapter which is 4" and it has two twin 4" outlets set at the appropriate angle for the two stainless tailpipes and they have 5" tips which are maybe 15" long on either side and set at an angle at the back of each quarter panel. IMO it is a very cool look expecially with the Mag-Tech rear cover. For the exhaust and a view of how the tail pipes sit check out dieselpowerproducts.com. I got the straight stainless pipe, the tail pipes and the tips from them. Dave Meheen was great to deal with. I have had 3 or 4 other exhaust variable setups which were a mix and match because I didn't like anyones total setup and I had these on my truck in the 1st 3 months I had it so exhaust and just the right exhaust for look/sound and performance was an issue for me. This is what I came up with and I'm quite happy. I also added two extra factory-type hangers welded to the exhaust pipe which are both located further up on the exhaust pipe. When I laid under the truck I wasn't happy with what I perceived to be too much weight on the turbo end and I had at the time a bad droan which drove me nuts. My two extra hangers which are mounted in rubber hold downs combined with the setup I described above have eliminated the droan completely. I can't honestly say which particular item did it since it all went on at the same time. Hope that helps you. Oo.
 
I would think an AFE filter would help some. I have one on my rig with the EZ Tow. I know that it is recommonded by Edge to have one, and a larger exhaust. When I first put my EZ on and got on the highway under heavy acceleration, I pushed the egt's up to 1400, but just for a second, than hit dropped back to about 900.
 
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