Electronic Fired Pistols?

[Doc Tinker]

Anybody know of a new technology that uses electronics to fire a pistol that uses caseless slugs?

Doc

 

[EMDDIESEL]

H&K makes a gun that uses that technology, i dont much about it, othen then the US said no to it when they were offered it. , check there website.

 

[Deezul1]

There has been a rifle around for several years with that system, dont remember the brand but wasnt aware of a pistol, sounds cool. One of the advantages of electronic firing is almost zero lock time for better accuracy.

 

[rich m]

x-ray people worry about the absense of a "shadow"

a caseless slug is a bullet with a cartridge-shaped plastique propellant charge behind it. not much x-ray shadow there, especially if the projectile is also a piece of hard plastic... then there's just the primer, and that's assuming it uses a conventional one...come to think of it, that'd be a P. I. T. A. if just that little piece of copper was rattling around the chamber after firing... it's probably electrically detonated, like the original question..... must be getting late... . rm



combine that with one of Glock's plastic guns (how long do they last, anyway?) and you've got an x-ray stealthy firearm... . just what the pilot needs to worry about!

 

[Doc Tinker]

Thanks guys - I'm reading a futuristic nuclear war story and the good guys are about to use a few guns like this. I was wondering if the technology really existed. Some of these fiction stories (Tom Swift comes to mind) seem to for-tell the future of technology, but I've always thought that the author, during research, found out something that most people don't yet know.



Your responses tells me that I suspected correctly and hightened my respect for the author.



Doc

 

[Bigsaint]

Doc, I also remember reading about the HK caseless rifle, and that was quite a while ago. It was really cool, especially the way that they designed the 'cartridge' if you can call it that and the electronic ignition ala battery operated firing mech. Can't remember where I saw it, might have been an old issue of SOF, not sure.



Scott W.

 

[EMDDIESEL]

Glocks should not be underestimated, next to the H&K USP, they are by far the most reliable pistols around. We rent handguns where i work and keep records on them. We have a . 40 Glock that is 6 years old and has had over 20,000 rounds of chep ammunition and reloads fired through it. We clean most of our guns every 1,000 rounds. And this pistol is still in great shape and accurate.

I have had my Glock 20 . 10MM since 91' and it still is accurate as ever, and has NEVER jammed.

 

[Bigsaint]

EMD, I agree 110 %. We switched from the Sig P226 ( due to cracks that we were developing on the frame rails and Sig's reluctance to replace all of the depts. weapons rather than piece by piece) to the Glock 22. At first I thought, , plastic POS weapon. I was wrong. They sent me to a Glock armorer school, all of one 9 hour day ( the sig. armorer school was one week), and thats when I really started to appreciate this weapon for what it is. Mr. Glock did his homework, no doubt. I completely strip down approximatley 30 Glocks per year now, right down to the last pin, spring, etc, with the exception of the trigger itself, and have yet to see any wear other than normal break in wear in our weapons after 4 years of service. The 'Tenifier'(sp) finish is as tough as nails, also. Never a jamb, either and these guys are not easy on weapons or big on maintenance. The Glock WILL shoot whether dry, dirty, abused, etc. , I've seen it all on the range. Just doesn't like those limp wrists, but no semi-auto that I have seen does.



Forgot to add, I also had a Glock 20 10mm when they first came out, sorry that I sold it now. Talk about firepower with 16 10mm's in your hand. You could land a small aircraft on that slide.



Scott W.

 

[EMDDIESEL]

They are sending me to Glock School in October so i have been told. Should be cool. They said it was three days though?

 

[Bigsaint]

Hmmm, maybe they made some changes, I went through in 1999.

Was one day then, at that time, one glock was basically the same as the others. Guess there could have been some changes, keep me in the loop.



Scott W.

 

[Bigsaint]

Come to think about it, I believe they made mention of an advanced armorer course, that was bigger on weapon failure and analysis, than what I was given. You might be going to the Sabado Gigante course !!!!! When you are sent by a local govenoring body, you gotta take what you can get. Have fun, regardless, you will be impressed.



Scott W.

 

[Doc Tinker]

On the topic of plastics - When I was a kid, Dad took me to an SAE show and I was fascinated with a display of plastic nuts and bolts, in a rainbow of colors. They were supposed to be the breakthrough of the day and we were going to see then replace steel bolts in many automotive applications. That was more than 30 years ago, and I'm still waiting to see those bolts in automobiles.



Over the last 30 years I have seen a lot of new uses for plastics and I am impressed by most of them. One use that impresses me immensely, is the air lines used on all trucks and buses. It's called nylon, but these lines are really a plastic compound. The nylon air line is so tough, I've actually seen where hardened steel has worn away, where the nylon lines have rubbed on it, but the lines show no wear at all.



Cool!



Doc

 

[Deezul1]

Dony try taking a Glock through a metal detector or you will be in for a surprise. There is a fair amount of steel still in this gun, not to "stealthy " at all.

 

[EMDDIESEL]

Deezul wrote "Dony try taking a Glock through a metal detector or you will be in for a surprise. There is a fair amount of steel still in this gun, not to "stealthy " at all. "



That was the biggest Mytrh of all about the Glocks, since they were invented, they ALWAYS had steel rails molded into the frame, the media is the one who started that rumor.

 

[fest3er]

Originally posted by Doc Tinker

Anybody know of a new technology that uses electronics to fire a pistol that uses caseless slugs?

Doc

I had an article about a guy who invented an electronically-fired caseless gun. It's supposed to fire something like 20K rounds per second. It doesn't use magazines; instead it stacks the rounds in the barrel and fires them sequentially.



I will try to find the article, though I think I sent it to a friend in WI. Sorry, don't even remember which magazine it was in!



Fest3er

 

[Dreher]

Doc

In the early nineties, I read about a standard bolt action rifle being marketed by Voere of Austria that used a caseless cartridge designed by Usel.

It would seem that it did not take off for them, as I have not heard this brought up since. I remember an issue being raised that if the technology were used in pistol cartridges, there would be less evidence (spent casings) left at the scene of a shooting for investigations.



Now that you got my interest up, I found this link for the HK rifle the other guys were talking about.



Bob

 

[Bigsaint]

Thanks Bob, that looks like a good site, have to leave for work now but I'm going to check it out tonight.



Scott W.