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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) "Elevated Soot" in oil analysis

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My last oil analysis came back with a note about "Elevated Soot", though the oil is suitable for continued use. In fact, the oil LOOKED so nasty that I went ahead and changed the oil and both filters the same day I pulled the sample. I figured an oil change wouldn't hurt anything, even if it WAS still "suitable for continued use" and only had 52,868 miles on it (79,282 on the truck).



Anyhow, I'm looking for a solution.

I live in Colorado and haul a 35' 5er all over the place. Heavy load, high altitude and long steep climbs are the "normal" for this truck since new. Even when new, the oil would get black pretty quick. I figured that was normal for a diesel truck. I broke it in on Shell Rotella-T and changed it every 3500 - 4000 miles. At 26,411 miles I installed the Amsoil dual remote filters and switched to Amsoil Series 3000 5w30 Heavy Duty Diesel oil. I had hoped that the better filtration would result in cleaner oil; but sunnovagun, it was still BLACK. Also note that I installed a K&N air filter in the stock box at 15,000 miles. I'm an Amsoil dealer, but I was in the parts store and they had the right size in stock, and I didn't want to "bother" with looking up the Amsoil # and ordering one.



Over time, and watching my oil analysis, the oil has always been good to continue using, but I noticed that the Silicon number was creeping up (8,9,11), so I replaced the K&N with an Amsoil air filter in Oct 2001. This last 2 analysis show Si dropped back down to 9, then 6 - the lowest reading since I started oil analysis. I have re-evaluated my choice of Amsoil v/s K&N v/s paper filter, and think I'll stick with the Amsoil. Either "oiled" filter carries the risk of contaminating whatever electronic sensor(s) along the way between the filter and the intake, but considering that I live on a dirt road, I chose the filter that seems to be the best at removing dirt. *MAYBE* a better flowing filter would help reduce the "soot" in my oil analysis?



The oil was still BLACK, but staying about the same. However, last September, I installed the RV275 injectors, boost elbow, and boost-module. I took my truck in for it's emission test just before the install; and took it back for a re-test right after the injector install less than a week later. RWHP went from 186 to 230, and there was almost no difference in smoke: "Opacity" at 40, 50, and 60mph was 6, 3, 4 "stock" and 8, 3, 4 with the new injectors.



Right after this last oil sample/change, I noticed a loss of power. Funny, power was normal before changed the oil, rotated the tires, checked all the fluids, and changed the fuel filter... Anyhow we hit the road to Moab, and pulling the camper up the major mountain passes it was real obvious that something wasn't right. We got there late in the day and setup camp. As soon as I had time to look at the truck, it didn't take 5 minutes to find that the rubber boot down below the turbo was blown out from under the clamp. Easy fix, and the power is back.



OK, so now ya have the "Big Picture".

Why is my oil so black with "elevated soot" and how do I fix it?

I figure it is probably a combination of the altitude and the injectors, unless I'm missing a piece of the puzzle.



I have a stock-so-far automatic transmission, so I don't plan on putting on a bigger turbo or twins anytime soon!



I don't have any gauges that weren't installed at the factory -- but Miss Cleo says there is a full set in my near-future!
 
let me see if this is right, you have 52,868 miles on the engine oil and your asking about Elevated Soot levels? Maybe it was time for a filter change on that Amsoil setup?



Maybe that 5w30 is to thin and passing through your filter ;)







Originally posted by ProspectorTim

My last oil analysis came back with a note about "Elevated Soot", though the oil is suitable for continued use. In fact, the oil LOOKED so nasty that I went ahead and changed the oil and both filters the same day I pulled the sample. I figured an oil change wouldn't hurt anything, even if it WAS still "suitable for continued use" and only had 52,868 miles on it (79,282 on the truck).

 
Why test if you do not trust the test, Why not just change the oil every time it looks dirty? Some things we must trust or it don't work. Cleaned the AIT ?. Do you have a exhaust brake ? Rings may have a slight ware. Valves adjusted ? Soot some times caused control problems hard to determine. Lol Ron Bissett in Metro Louisville KY:D
 
I think you have it. A combo of high alt. and high mileage plus your added fueling. Are you using the CTD as a daily driver? With the cold night time temps in CO. all these contribute to high soot. How often are you changing the Amsoil bypass filter? I agree on the Amsoil air filter, I've had one in my CTD from the first and a white rag shows no residue when wiping out the intake hose. How was Moab? I didn't make it down to EJS this year.
 
This is the first time Soot Level has been highlighted in the oil analysis. Gotta love the synthetic oil, bypass filter, and oil analysis. No need in throwing away good oil, even if it IS Made in the USA. :)



I changed the fuel and oil filters as part of my prep for the Moab trip (and it was due anyhow). When I saw how black the oil was, I decided to go ahead an change it ... before I even mailed off the sample. Any other time I probably would have waited for the results, but thinking that there MIGHT be a problem with the oil, I didn't want to risk running it towing heavy over all those tall mountain passes. Besides, I think I got my money's worth out of that oil. :)



It has been a long time since I checked those hose-clamps. Maybe I was already low on boost and making soot, but just hadn't noticed any real power loss until the edge of the boot blew out from under that clamp . . then sudden and noticeable power loss. I started the Moab trip kinda "down" on power, but it was AFTER several major mountain passes and into Utah before I noticed the "hissing noise". Up until that point I was suspecting the lift pump might not be keeping up.



I'll be checking that AIT sensor REAL SOON. I bet it could stand a good cleanin'. Thanks for the tip.



We do Moab on ATV's, so we always avoid the Easter Jeep roadblock, er, Safari. Them danged things are always broke down someplace where it is hard to get around them!

Check the photo albums in my signature... LOTS of Moab pics, and I still haven't uploaded pics from the last trip.



I guess one of my low-priority projects will be to find ways to get more air in that motor, to go along with the extra fuel it's getting now. I might even have to design my own air filter system to pull fresh cool air in through a bigger Amsoil filter or a PAIR of them. The air is thin up here, and I need all I can get; but living on a dirt road, I want something that keeps the dirt OUT!
 
Im not sure if garyc (looked like a ham handle) is posting. havent seen him in a while. But he was using a dual oil filter setup. And Ive never seen better looking oil. One of my rigs soots it up very fast the other does it over time.
 
Originally posted by ProspectorTim

As soon as I had time to look at the truck, it didn't take 5 minutes to find that the rubber boot down below the turbo was blown out from under the clamp. Easy fix, and the power is back.



I don't have any gauges that weren't installed at the factory -- but Miss Cleo says there is a full set in my near-future!



Without guages and no/little boost, I hope you didn't hurt something.



We have a pyro on one of the semis that I run (haven't been able to talk the boss into getting one for the other truck).



Had a hump hose blow off several times on that truck. When that happened, the EGT's would ROCKET up to 1200*+ POST turbo. Had to downshift to 2nd or 3rd. to get the temp to come down till I was able to pull over.
 
I believe you need to evaluate when you have your money's worth out of the oil and change it accordingly. I run Amsoil as well and change at 20K. The oil is still good at this point, but why push it? Dump the oil and the contaminants and start over fresh with new oil and filters. I have the Amsoil BMK-11 single bypass and have never had a soot sample above . 5%. Soot at 3% is considered the limit by most labs.



I have tried numerous air filters and none has given lower silicon number in the oil than the Amsoil filter. I have had numbers as low as 2ppm silicon with this filter. My most recent analysis with the AFE filter in the Scotty Air II showed 6ppm silicon.
 
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