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I was doing some thinking the other day (that's scary) but it's dawned on me that we are living in an age where a number of noteworthy and significant mainstays of everyday life are about to (or have recently) come to an end. I am talking about things that have been with us for decades, even generations, that are quietly slipping into the past. By 2010 I believe most of what I'm going to mention will be history.

Since I'm a rail fanatic, I'll start with some railroading stuff:

First-Generation diesel locomotives
There are still quite a few “first generation” diesels grinding their way around rail yards across the country, the ones that were among the first model lines GM introduced in 1939, and were in production until ~1960. E-units, F-units, Geeps, etc. , there are still a number of them in use today that started their careers working alongside steam locomotives.

Of particular mention is the “covered wagons” or “bulldog nose” style locomotives which were commonplace from the ‘40s to the ‘70s: #ad
At this time, January 2008, there is a small handful of these which have remained in regular service living out their last days in Connecticut on the Metro North commuter rail line. As far as I know they are the last in the nation. . . their days are numbered and could be gone in a month. The oldest of the group is #413 which was built in 1946. . . here it is on a train last summer: YouTube - Metro North F10s #411 and 413 and YouTube - Metro North F10 #413

Next on the RR subject isn't a significant one, but the vintage semaphore signals commonplace in the days of our grandparents are pretty well gone. One RR in Oregon had a lot of them, installed in 1912, which were finally removed in March 2007. They were fun to watch and photograph, but were maintenance intensive due to their mechanical nature and age. Here's a video clip from about 2006 on this line: YouTube - Central Oregon & Pacific Yoncalla Switcher

The last item related to railroading is steam locomotives. . . there are still a number of them continuing in regular service in other parts of the world since their “steam era” never ended. China is one such place, but their goal is to bring their steam era to a close this year.

Now on to other items: your TV and radio works much the same way as those old units your grandparents used to watch and listen to. If you had a time machine you could take your TV back to the ‘50s and have no trouble tuning in I Love Lucy. Same with your radio, on the AM band. On the reverse, I can listen to today's music on the unrestored radio in my '50 Chevy when I take it for a spin. But come 2009 it'll be the end of the road for traditional radio and TV broadcasts, a mainstay we've enjoyed for many decades.

Closely related to TV & radio is the movie industry. How many have noticed some cinemas going to digital projection? The miles of film spooled onto large platters are going to be a rarity soon. What has already happened in the consumer photography market is happening in Hollywood. I'm afraid we'll be kissing 35mm film goodbye. One theatre I like is the Washoe Theatre in Anaconda, Montana . . . all their projectors date to the late ‘30s. In 1938 the Wizard of Oz was the first movie ever shot using color film. . . what one will be the last?

Now back to transportation. . . let's talk boats and planes. . . when flying to Wisconsin last month I couldn't help notice the antiquated cockpit on one of the planes I boarded. I noted the number on the plane and later looked it up to find it was a 31-year old DC9. After doing some checking I found online that Northwest Airlines has several DC9s dating to the late ‘60s. Certainly these old birds won't be serving too many more years as commercial passenger airliners. Here is tail number N750N coming in for a landing last November, 40 years & 1 week after its maiden flight Photos: McDonnell Douglas DC-9-41 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net And here's DC9-30 N601NW ready for takeoff last November, in service since August 8, 1967: Photos: McDonnell Douglas DC-9-32 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

In closing, Washington State has the largest ferry fleet in the US. Three of its ferries providing daily service used to serve San Francisco, but were retired when the Golden Gate Bridge opened. It looks like these old boats, built in 1927, will soon be retired for good.

Well guess that'll do it for this post, sorry for rambling :D

Vaughn
 
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Great thread. I knew about TV changing next year, I did not know about radio. TV will not be a big problem with a cable box. The rail stuff was very interesting.



Thank you - AC
 
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Along the lines of railroads you will someday see unmanned locomotives rollin down the tracks. Currently we sre using remote control locos in yard operations. By the end of this year UP wants all their locals between Ft Worth and Dallas to run with out an engineer. There will be two men neither will be a qualified engineer but a remote control operator.

Kinda scary to think what will be in the hands of computers or some kind of technology in the future.
 
Currently we sre using remote control locos in yard operations



my yard uses them too. . i am qualified to test and diagnose the RCO locomotives, but once you couple it up to a car, i can not operate it anymore. . on shop tracks however, i am qualified to drive the locomotives with whatever coupled up to it :rolleyes:



the rco stuff is pretty simple. i don't like the speed at which the control systems needs to be operated at. i grew up with video games, and you can't run the rco controls that quick. hit the comm button, wait forever [like 3 seconds] then tell it to throttle up. the brakes always work easially. you don't need to signal it that you are going to apply the brakes, but you need to signal it that you are releasing the brakes [inverse on the throttle & direction control]



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lever on left = throttle

lever on right = ind. brake over ride

silver toggle right = bell & horn

silver toggle left = status & tilt timer

black push buttons left & right top = comm/signal [& sand if you press and hold]

black button front face right = headlight bright

black button front face left = pitch [switch between operator a & b]

squarish black toggle top middle right = train brake control

squarish black toggle top middle left = direction control [reverser]

on off switch on bottom left

tilt alarm & reset safety control alarm bottom left corner speaker
 
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Nick,

The remotes would be better if the locos had pacesetters in them. Without pacesetters the locos are all throttle or all brakes.
 
Big Muskie, bye bye!



In 1973 when my family moved for the last time, we had a party line phone-rotary dial of course, fixed in place on the wall, black in color.



We saw the beginning and end of VCRs, lol, the list can go on and on... .



One BIG ONE-

The begining and end to the most durable, simple design, best economy Diesel pick up ever built- the 1st Gen Dodge Cummins, and the runner up- 94-98 12 valve, p-pump.



The 12 vs 24 valve wars on this site were for fun, but now that the facts are in, the 24 valve, VP-44, weak block, was a miserable failure.



Ask yourself- how many times(lift pump) did you wish(3rd inj pump) that you never(53 block) ever(electronic gremlins) TRADED IN THAT 12

VALVE??????/;):-laf
 
Big Muskie, bye bye!





In 1973 when my family moved for the last time, we had a party line phone-rotary dial of course, fixed in place on the wall, black in color.





Ask yourself- how many times(lift pump) did you wish(3rd inj pump) that you never(53 block) ever(electronic gremlins) TRADED IN THAT 12

VALVE??????/;):-laf



I had a party line and rotary too.





One has no idea the impact this has unless you have a fleet of school buses with 12 valve engines AND 24 valve engines. :{



It came to my attention this past week that if the waste gate sticks open on a 24 valve, the bus is not operational as the computer senses low boost and triggers limp-home mode. Real nice when it's full of kids. :{



The 12 valve engines run to the point of..... well... ... ... ... ... ... . they just keep going and going :)
 
Nick,



The remotes would be better if the locos had pacesetters in them. Without pacesetters the locos are all throttle or all brakes.



they sorta do. . it is built into the remote control hardware in the cabinet in the nose of the loco. .



we have 2 different remote controls for the 2 different applications [flat yard and hump yard]



i can't remember what all the settings are but they go something like:



stop

coast/brake

coast

couple [or hump slow] - about 2 mph

4mph [or hump fast]

7mph

10mph

15mph



the ind brake over ride has 4 steps [i think?] for adding independent brake plus emergency brake control. the train brake has 4 settings too [again, i think?] plus a setting for allowing higher air flow for charging a cut of cars when switching with air



it is scary to watch the hump crews using the remotes. 2 gp38's plus 1 or 2 slugs going 15mph down the pull back with 50 or so loaded cars with no brakes. . when i first started working on the rr, we were using the large cast iron brake shoes on the hump set. . they would last 1 week if you were lucky. . changing out 64 cast iron brake shoes weighing in at about 50lbs was no fun
 
Thanks EPA!

What technology hasnt pushed aside the government has. It is sad to see the old machines go. I was always facinated by the muskie, wish i could have seen her before destruction.



All is not totaly lost though. Collectors and enthusiasts keep some old iron running, if not for historical education then at least for some of us to get our "fix" of coal smoke :) .



There is a romance to the steam railroad. To me the steam locos' were some of the most beautiful machines ever constructed by human hands.

There is a steam rail club up in (I think) FT. Wayne, IN that makes a few runs evry summer.



If its just old iron that you like, there are plenty of shows/reunions around that have alot of the old stuff running. Here in OH its mostly ag stuff. Ive seen some ads for antique marine shows on the south east coast.



Attached is an undermount Eclipse steam engine that's a regular at a few reunions around ohio. This one is for belt work (thresher or saw mill, e. g. ) and not the rails, but the engine is a double compound type and has a nice "locomotive" sound. The current owner even put a rail engine whistle on it, which draws some attention.
 
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Heh. . . rotary phones. . . I was just thinking the other day it's been awhile since I've heard a phone greeting "If you are calling from a rotary phone, please remain on the line for assistance. "
 
and they are taking away are light bulb which is just b as in b, s as in s. i hadnt heard about a radio thing. what exactly are they doing?
 
Along the lines of railroads you will someday see unmanned locomotives rollin down the tracks. Currently we sre using remote control locos in yard operations. By the end of this year UP wants all their locals between Ft Worth and Dallas to run with out an engineer. There will be two men neither will be a qualified engineer but a remote control operator.

Kinda scary to think what will be in the hands of computers or some kind of technology in the future.



To be honest, this is what I do for work. We have been building fully automatic rail systems since the mid 1970's. The first two major systems were the Sao Paulo Metro in Brazil and BART in Oakland. The only reason there is still an operator on the train is because of the Unions.

On the BART system, we had to modify the logic on the train to randomly require the user to hit and release a deadman switch because they were taping the switch down and falling asleep (I wish I could sleep on the job).



With the technology today, we have a system in Madrid (Madrid Metro L1 and L6) using CBTC (Communications Based Train Control), that is capable of full UTO (unattended train operation) with full ATO/ATP Automatic Train Operation and Automatic Train Protection. On these two lines, we move around 2. 5 million passengers per day. It is hopeful that in the future, we will resignal additional lines in their metro system. The only down side to CBTC is the cost to implement, which is considerably more expensive than a traditional AF track circuit system with ATP.



This technology does not use Track Circuits or Inductive Loops, just RF ID tracking and Radio Communications. Based on the track layout, we can get headways down to 38 seconds with 150meter+ trains that are running at 80+mph. We are working on a system that will one day connect LA to Las Vegas with the same technology at 175+MPH, 5 minute headways, and no drivers.



To be honest, with the track record or operators (at least in the metro market), we must consider them to be a single point of failure. I could site multiple accidents, but one of the most famous is the MARC train accident where many people died because the operator violated a speed restriction, went around a curve, and the interlocking was in the incorrect position. Unfortunately, it was not possible to do a trailing point push on the switch, because it was Mainline rail, with a 100+ coal train going through the interlocking, crossing to the other track. The Commuter train hit the coal train at something like 50Mph.



There are countless errors like this due to operator error. If there was an actual ATP system on the vehicle that was in communications with the wayside, it would be nearly impossible for this to happen under ATP protection.



The Metro Rail Industries love this type of technology, because it virtually eliminates the need for operators and greatly reduces the number of electricians (anybody who has worked on Track Circuits knows this). Although more expensive to install, the reduced maintenance costs, and increased headways pay for themselves over time.



And yes, these are SIL 4 Vital operation systems. The first system by Bombardier (at the time Adtranz) using CBTC technology went into Revenue service in 2000, and we have never had an accident while under commercial service.



To give an idea of how much equipment is required to do this type of technology, the image below shows the amount of equipment required to signal about 35km (20mi) of track for a system in South Korea. 5 cabinets with a relay based system might give you enough space to signal 2 simple interlockings or 1 complex interlocking, this will cover a significantly larger amount of space. The wiring into these cabinets is not perfect, because this image was taken during Factory Acceptance Testing in Pittsburgh. The actual field wiring up to these cabinets will look significantly better.
 
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