? End of Cummins Ram ? 2002 model ?

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I wonder if there is something to this don't know for sure;
Crewcab appears on 1500 on 2002 model !
Crewcab appears on 2500 & 3500 on 2003 model when DC can drop Cummins inline 6 and go with either a inline 4 or v8 ! New models use space from engine compartment to expand cab ? The writing is on the wall ! I buy a truck around the Cummins engine !! Will buy a F@#d 550 if DC drops Cummins! Detroit Deisel going in Dakota & Durango ? Also ?? rumor Cummins in court with DC About DC wanting to drop Cummins in 2002 model ??

[This message has been edited by JAddington (edited 08-14-2000). ]

 

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Even though DC has purchased DD, remember that still will not *force* Dodge to use a Detroit in the next Ram - it's just that our pals in Germany would prefer to keep things "in house" where and whenever possible. Don't forget, when GMC was still in the class 8 business with the General, Brigadier, and Astro models, a Detroit was indeed standard, but Cummins and Cat were certainly available.

As far as the model year changes, that is still the idea to intro the 2002 1500 during calendar year 2001, and the 2500/3500 the following year, along with the Power Wagon as a specialty model. The DELTA V6 is probably not a bad idea for the Dakota/Durango, or even the 1500, as its power rivals that of the small gas V8s, and the fuel economy boost will be a great marketing tool.

Would I miss having the Cummins in my next Ram? Of course. But I always liked the Dodge, even before the new body. The old ones rode and drove like bricks on solid tires, but you couldn't break them if you tried. There's a 17 year old W350 at my dad's job that they can't kill (and they have tried) - it has outlived several trucks purchased after it!

 

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It seems clear that the Cummins days are limited in the Ram. The big question is when? Between the two in house choices now of a diesel and a profit driven corporation's the writing is on the wall. However DC if you are listening, I will never buy another Ram without the Cummins engine. So if you drop it count me out, and there isn't any profit in that!

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ALSO DC HAS BOUGHT DETROIT DEISEL !

 

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I'm just glad I've got MY cummins!!

 

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Now, I'm just another voice in the crowd, but the MB line could bring a meatier automatic transmission to the ram. As for DD, I am not all that familar w/ their offerings, but I'm not aware of an existing application that would lend itself to a light truck. How does it all affect DC and the Ram?

Depends on your point of view and prefs I reckon.

Myself, I wouldn't be on this board if it wasn't for "THE BIG C!".

 

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More flame for the fire...

Issue 29 reveals the EPA is intentionally penalizing American made diesels by requiring stringent emissions standards on American diesels but NOT OVERSEAS IMPORTED DIESELS. What's that mean? The Cummins (and other American diesels) will get a good bit more expensive to have the technology to meet the 2002 EPA rules (and MIGHT suffer a performance hit) while the overseas diesels (Mercedes, Itsuesu) will be less expensive and not have to meet the EPA regs until 2004.

VOTE! GET THOSE EPA RULINGS OVERTURNED BY SOME RIGHT MINDED REPUBLICANS! This is the ruling last year where the EPA falsely accused American diesel mfgs of violating non-existent regs to force them into a faulty agreement to stay in business. Democrat environazis courteousy of Gore.

 

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If DC does drop Cummins, the value of our CTD powered trucks will go sky high. That's a good thing. Just hope you don't total it, cuz the engine should last most people a lifetime of driving. Also, you CANNOT currently get a Cummins in the F550. You need to buy a F650 or bigger. That is too much truck for everyday driving and you need a CDL to drive it.

 

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Originally posted by KCJackson:
Even though DC has purchased DD, remember that still will not *force* Dodge to use a Detroit in the next Ram - it's just that our pals in Germany would prefer to keep things "in house" where and whenever possible.


If they were that concerned about using an in house engine then how would you explain a Mercedes truck coming with a Cummins?
I think that eventually we will see something like what you see with a class 8 truck, where you will be able to purchase a pick-up truck and pick out the engine and transmission similar to what is available now on the 650 & 750 Fords.




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Mark Kitchell is right on the money.

I have heard this same thing.
Imported diesels will NOT be subject to the EPA regs until a later date. (How stupid is that?) The American built diesel engines will, however, have to meet the new stringent standards.

This sounds like almost like DC is feeling out their "backup plan" in case Cummins can't meet the new emissions standards in time with the ISB. Just my opinion of course.

At the same time, DC should REALLY REALLY give their heads a shake. I hope that they realize that DODGE still, to this day has a bad reputation for quality, and that MANY owner bought the truck solely for the Cummins engine.
Now that they know a selling truck formula, I hope they aren't naive enough to think that the success of the Diesel rams is mostly the truck part.
We all know, for the most part, it's the engine that made is such a great success.

That's not to say that the truck itself is BAD. It's just that they (given their history) need something a little extra.

Shawn

 

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I would say the quality of a Dodge truck is not what it used to be. It's much much better now esp with the BIG "C". I'm not impressed with DC gas engines. But the truck is fine, quality is comparable to others in the same class. Best one I've ever had.

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I have been I Chrysler fan since my Dad bought 64 Dodge 330 slant 6. But I wouldn't have bought the Ram without the Cummins in it.
I would think the reason that DC bought out Detroit was to be able to produce their new mbe900 series engine here in the USA. They can always call them Detriot Diesels.
The mbe900 inline six is standard equipment on FL50 to FL70's Freightliners. Optional engines are Cummins and Cat. Wonder why they dropped Detroit as an option? Cummins used to be Standard equipment. Could be wheels were already turning to take control of Detroit.
I'm with you Mark. The EPA new about the double programming in the computers. Some radical liberal group found out, caught EPA with pants done So EPA they stuck it to The American Diesel Makers, actually the fine was't so bad but the publicity didn't do any good.
Dodge/Cummins is a great partnership, they have sold many trucks together. (I think, I read this some where matter of fact something like this came out of DC presidents mouth. ) Why would they want to mess up and drop Cummins. I can see them offering options on engines but not the alternative.

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Most recent issue of Diesel Progress magazine (industrial magazine) has the Editor writing a comment that 'a Cummins source has confirmed that the Cummins engine will be available in a Dodge Pickup through 2007'.

Hmmm, great news if his source is accurate.

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Hope you are right Redman -- can't get a reply from Cummins !


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My Step Dad called last night and read part of a newsletter (powerbooster I think) that says Cummins is out and MB is on the way in for 2003 model year Dodge Ram.
I will be seeing him this weekend and want to get a copy (No I don't beleive everthing I read). I could scan it and send to others if interested.

 

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I bought my 96 because of the engine. I drive it, love it, and tolerate sinking repair money into everything except the engine, because of the engine.

I was once asked why I got the diesel instead of the V10. I replied, "why would I buy a Dodge without a diesel. " After almost 5 years with the truck I would not risk the pain of owning the Dodge with an unproven engine.

I'm not saying it won't happen but they had better give me good reason to buy a non-Cummins truck. Guess I'll have to start following the 24Valves and see if I need to go for a new or a used 12Valve to match my current truck before the cost goes up. Don't think it will? Can you say Harley Davidson?


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I have a hard time thinking that DC will drop the Cummins engine in the Dodge Ram pickups!

Dodge and Cummins were the ones that turned the Diesel option around in this industry! I don't think the Diesel engine was a very popular option after GM screwed up with its Diesel options, and Ford wasn't producing much in the way of power either. In fact look how many years it took Ford to even come close to the power of the Dodge Cummins combination, think it was around six years, and GM is just now coming out with something that will now compete.

I do not see DC getting rid of such a great combination that turned the light trucking industry around.

Wayne
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Purchasing of '99 was a joint decission. We bought the Ram because I wanted the Cummins and the wife loves the look (so do I, so that helps #ad
). If there was no Cummins, I would have to evaluate the engines all over again. If it weren't for the Cummins, I may have had to go with the Fhh-Fhh-Fhh-Ford(hard to say)crew cab. Though we would have liked the extra space, it was the Cummins that put the Ram on the "Buy" list.

Let's hope DC can figure out what's really selling their diesel Ram.



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Why don't foreign diesels have to meet the same environmental requirements as domestically built diesel engines.

Can DC put in a Mercedes-Benz diesel in the RAM and not have to meet domestic environmental requirements that are changing in 2002 ? Are any of the diesel RAMS built in the U. S. ?

Also, how you get those little animated smiles to appear in the text of your post?

 

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If memory serves me right the contract for Dodge having the Cummins installed in them expired in 1999 and a new contract was made with an expiration date of seven years. That would make the Cummins in the Dodge until 2006. Then maybe a new contract for longer yet. Who really knows what will happen by then.

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