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The vast majority on this board and across the nation are complaining and concerned about fuel costs - most of which are controlled by OPEC - the Arabian nations - along with major oil refining empires, with government support and approval.



A few on this board have been critical of the verbal expressions of concern, and rightfully ask what is to be gained merely by whining and griping about prices.



My response has been:



"I have been increasingly tempted to start my own small letter writing campaign, focusing upon irritation over seeming irrational pricing of fuels at the pump.



At first, I thought a large number of letters arriving daily on the White House doorstep would get some attention - but THEN I realized even MORE action and attention would result if those bags full of letters were written as "open letters to the current administration", and sent to NBC, CBS and all other major media headquarters - they are always looking for new ways to embarrass Bush, and would likely jump at the chance to place these letters prominently in their newscasts - and that MIGHT generate more focused attention to the issue - maybe even some action...



Yes, I feel that the more and longer we LOUDLY and OPENLY make our anger and frustration known, the more likely we are to obtain results - and that complaints direct to the parties responsible for setting policies and pricing MIGHT not be as effective as the same complaints directed to mass media in an effort towards generating greater public outcry and support - after all, letters to government and oil companies mostly just get swept under rugs and disappear.



OR, we can just sit quietly, and "hope it all gets better... "




Strong and focused public expressions on various issues throughout past history have motivated significant changes in political action and direction - I feel it CAN happen in this case as well!



Along the lines of the above, I have originated a sample letter that some might use as an outline for their own letters (feel free to copy mine if you like!), and send them on to you own local area newspapers and other appropriate media outlets.



A search here on the Internet will provide access to the major networks - and some members might suggest other direct sources.



Here's my personal letter - already sent to the local paper, with others yet to be sent out:







An open letter to the Bush administration, and future political candidates:



I have become increasingly concerned - and angry - at this country's continued dependence upon foreign sources for the lifeblood of our nation - energy!



I am appalled at the apparent indifference and lack of intense focused action and programs by our country's political and industrial leadership to greatly reduce or eliminate that dependence, and return the sovereignty and independence this country once possessed.



The wheels of our industries, transportation and agriculture turn on availability of economical energy - and steady deliberate political and corporate reduction of our economical access to reasonably priced energy is as much an act of effective terrorism, and as damaging to our survival as bombs in subways or planes flying into buildings!



I hold the past, and current, administrations responsible and accountable for our current and future survival as a free and independent nation, as well as those in industry more interested in profit than the continued survival of our nation.



I fully expect and demand that our national leaders and various energy heads begin an aggressive and vigorous program to promote increased energy production within our own borders, in the form of oil, natural gas, coal, agricultural based (bio-fuels), solar, and others as yet undeveloped or unexploited.



As a voter, I want it known that the fuel independence and programs proposed by the next candidates for my vote will rate exceptionally high in my decision as to where my vote goes - regardless of party affiliation.



Along with those issues, is my expectation of prioritized governmental application of Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and Sierra Club influence in deciding far-reaching issues affecting broad areas of the well being of our society. Trading the tranquility of Spotted Owls and obscure tree frogs for the health and existence of humans must end, or be decided by priorities rather than unfounded emotion.



We must return this country's self-sufficiency, and our political/corporate agenda of blood and lives for fuel, and profit, MUST come to an end!



Signed-------




... The above might not be much, and WON'T be unless it gets wide use - but it beats nothing at all...
 
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Kinda ticks me off when are soldiers are dying over in Iraq. Then in there return higher oil prices. What a huge slap in are face. The way I see it we own the Iraqie oil fields.

I wrote to my congressman awhile back. He's got all sorts of good ideas. basically stuff we wanna hear. But they don't act on them.

Awhile back I asked some questions on the forum, on who to voice my opinion to about high cost of fuel. Only to get blasted by some big oil men in are forums. I geuss there are some people that enjoy these high prices. Hope they plan on not making to many friends here.

As of this week my truck sits. Can't afford to spend $ 100 for 30 gallons. Sure picked a hell of a time to quit a full time job to go to college.
 
Jeff H said:
Kinda ticks me off when are soldiers are dying over in Iraq. Then in there return higher oil prices. What a huge slap in are face. The way I see it we own the Iraqie oil fields.

I wrote to my congressman awhile back. He's got all sorts of good ideas. basically stuff we wanna hear. But they don't act on them.

Awhile back I asked some questions on the forum, on who to voice my opinion to about high cost of fuel. Only to get blasted by some big oil men in are forums. I geuss there are some people that enjoy these high prices. Hope they plan on not making to many friends here.

As of this week my truck sits. Can't afford to spend $ 100 for 30 gallons. Sure picked a hell of a time to quit a full time job to go to college.

"The way I see it we own the Iraqie oil fields. "???????



That's exactly how Saddam Hussein felt about Kuwait oil fields when he invaded Kuwait!
 
Only been on this forum a few months and think it's great - will probably get blasted for this response but oh well.



The original poster asks - "what could/should we do".



Here's an easy answer that nobody will want to hear - SLOW DOWN!!! How many of you that are complaining about the high price of diesel and gasoline are still blasting down the road at 80 mph or faster, or are running high hp mods that burn more fuel then stock. How about the President ordering a nationwide return to the 55 mph max speed limit - you want to hear people scream?



Before you blast me - I'm a reservist that has just spent the last 3 years activated and deeply involved in the mid-east problems and there are no simple solutions. I bought my first CTD (2002 2500 SLT Laramie - stock) a few months ago and love it. Here are my fuel burn rates at various speeds.



55 - 26. 7

60 - 24. 8

65 - 22. 8

70 - 20. 2

75 - 18. 9

80 - 17. 1



These numbers are from the on-board computer on trips of 500 miles each and various legs of 100 miles driven at these speeds.



If we all cut our consumption by 10% the supply of fuel would back up and force the market prices lower. Until we realize that demand drives the cost of supply we will have the high prices.
 
Not going to be popular

This probably won't go over well with most, but here is my take.



1. I don't like paying more for anything.



2. Gas in 1970 was about 1. 40 per gallon historical fuel prices



3. What cost $1. 00 in 1970 now takes $5. 00 (average) cost of living calculator



4. The price of fuel has not risen at nearly the rate of inflation. In other words you would be worse off in 1970 trying to fuel your truck then today.



20 years ago I made an average income for this area (about 30k). Today I make more than 3 times that, meaning that fuel would have to be around $4. 50 to be more of a burden than it was to me 20 years ago.



All that being said I couldn't agree more with Gary regarding our nation becoming more self-sufficient. Not only in fuel production, but all products. It kills me to see our dollars go to China and others. Right now we are competing with China for worlds resources (including oil). Where do they get all the money for their rapid growth? Wallyworld among other places. When did we stop looking for the American flag when laying down our hard cash?



Here is a website dedicated to products made here in the good ol US of A.



Fuel prices going down sounds good to me, but the price of fuel is just a symptom of a far bigger problem this country has right now, the outsourcing of our future. Just my two bits.



Greg
 
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MMcfall got it right! I live in the Chicago area and people are just in TOO MUCH of a hurry! I recently purchased a new Jeep Wrangler 4 cyl. 6-speed and feel that I am going to get run over sooner or later by these idiots. I miss driving my Cummins immensely, but at $3. 60/gal presently it will parked for quite awhile. When I was in California for a couple of weeks earlier this month, the driving was even worse! The only way to get the fuel prices back down is to drive responsibly, but I just don't see that happening.
 
What would happen to oil prices if it was removed from the commodity market - forcing oil to be sold like most other products (cost + REASONABLE profit)????



I think that removing it from the commodity market would force the oil companies to compete with each other - and would remove market speculators from running up the price.



Either way, until people get rid of their classic case of cranial rectitis, we will not have new refineries built (mostly because of NIMBYs) and demand will continue until it hurts our economy so bad it goes into a recession due to everyone cutting spending on everything because of high energy prices.
 
"The original poster asks - "what could/should we do".



Here's an easy answer that nobody will want to hear - SLOW DOWN!!! How many of you that are complaining about the high price of diesel and gasoline are still blasting down the road at 80 mph or faster, or are running high hp mods that burn more fuel then stock. How about the President ordering a nationwide return to the 55 mph max speed limit - you want to hear people scream?"




SORRY - but you totally miss the basic point!



And that point is, our continued reliance upon FOREIGN sources for our energy, when we have LOTS of viable sources here, in our OWN country - and the technology to develop SUBSTANTIAL alternative means and sources that are, and WILL continue to be ignored as long as the paying public submits to what we are being spoon-fed by government and corporate heads.



As long as we are willing to rationalize rising energy costs, and silently continue to meekly PAY what is demanded, NOTHING will change!



Should we make reasonable efforts to conserve? SURE - and MANY don't even HAVE that as an "alternative" anyway, they are forced by personal situations and finances to do so!



We keep hearing this "adjusted for inflation BS" - which is great for the few whose salaries have ALSO been "adjusted for inflation" - but what about the rest? What are THEIR available options - bicycles? Not everyone has the luxury of walking to work, and precious few can simply quit their jobs, sell their homes, to move to a location closer to employment.



This country is being led by the nose by foreign oil producers, in FULL cooperation of our own government and corporate/industrial leaders - and THAT has to be stopped! They have DELIBERATELY made it harder to produce our own energy sources, and instead buy that produced overseas - that seemed reasonably economical early on, but that has LONG since ceased to be true!



And it's time we shifted gears, and again took control of our own energy future!



What's the difference if we allow the wheels of our society, transportation, agriculture and industry, to be slowed or stopped by the bombs of scattered terrorists - or whether we sit idly by and let the same thing happen in corporate boardrooms and government offices?



Do NOT allow yourselves to confuse issues like conservation, and inflation with the far more basic issue of ENERGY SOURCES and development - yes, they are ALL important factors, but THIS particular thread is aimed at the energy sources and future alternative research and development within our own borders - and getting appropriate government and corporate heads to acknowledge and shift their priorities in that direction!



That can and will boost our economy, create jobs outside those of Burger King, and benefit us as a nation as well as individually.
 
MMcfall is definitely on target. The old saying "Actions speak louder than words" holds true. One shouldn't complain about fuel prices if they're gonna drive their Suburbans at 85-90 on the interstate! At 70, you travel the length of a football field in less that 3 seconds!! I still hear tires chirping on the road indicating fast acceleration. And, best of alll, I still see those 1 mpg wonders, Fountain boats, on the Amite River where I live. My wife and I have made our cuts, my beloved truck stays parked during the week and we carpool, and we've given up on RVing. When I do drive my truck, I notice shift points and top speed a lot more now. Lo and behold, a new HUMMER dealership opened up in Baton Rouge! Someone has to buy them, and the H3 is not all that fuel efficient!
 
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Gary - K7GLD said:


We keep hearing this "adjusted for inflation BS" - which is great for the few whose salaries have ALSO been "adjusted for inflation" - but what about the rest? What are THEIR available options - bicycles? Not everyone has the luxury of walking to work, and precious few can simply quit their jobs, sell their homes, to move to a location closer to employment.




If people’s salaries are not rising with inflation, how are they affording everything else? My point is that fuel has become a SMALLER percent of household expense (in the last twenty years) compared to everything else. People make all kinds of choices in their life. My truck is certainly not the most fuel efficient or cost efficient vehicle on the road, so I give up other things to have it.



Peoples lack of planning in their lives, or distance they choose to live from work (usually to have a bigger home) is simply their choice. A vehicle and cheap fuel is not a god given right!



BTW I work 130 miles from home. I could certainly find work closer to home, but choose to work where I do, and accept the consequences of my choice. If fuel gets to be too expensive for me I will use less, move closer to work, or find work closer to home. When I was younger and didn't have my current resources I did ride my bike to work and back (about 30 miles each way). Once again my choice to buy the big home away from my job, and not be able to have a car.





If it makes people feel better to write letters, I say go for it! At least it helps to vent if nothing else. The laws of supply and demand dictate the price of fuel. If everyone in this country cut 20% out of their fuel consumption prices would fall! Unfortunately it will take these high prices to get people to conserve. Fuel is just like every other commodity in that higher prices will affect the poor harder. To change that reality would require a whole different political policy in this country. Personally I feel our government does plenty for the poor who are willing to help themselves.



I certainly will not complain if fuel prices drop, but not going to complain about when they rise either. I can't complain as I am one of those using up the fuel.



Greg
 
Build 25 new state of the art Nuclear Plants. But this makes too much sense... Look at India, they are going to build "45" in the next decade... They do not want to be dependant on middle east for oil... Take a look at who is against Nuclear plants,,, follow the money and control. How much stock does Big OIL have in the construction and output from Nuclear power? This is the way to go,,, but the majority will allow the weak to play the heart strings about the environment. Does anyone realize how much oil is burned by giant ships sitting in ports around the Country? So much that it is disgusting, yet we are worried about SUV's????? I can go on,, trust me,,,, The people calling the shots in our country have there heads up there A**'s...
 
Should anyone be interested, here's the text of an October 17, 2005 speech by Alan Greenspan on this subject. It's fairly lengthy but worth reading if one wants to understand what's going on today and what the future might hold.



Rusty
 
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"My point is that fuel has become a SMALLER percent of household expense (in the last twenty years) compared to everything else. "



Greg, my "Adjusted for inflation" comment was not aimed purely at you - but a commentary on what a goodly number of better off folks use as a rationalization for upward spiraling energy costs. Sure, a loaf of bread has gone up in price too, as well as other items - but few of us burn several loaves of bread each day as we drive to places we MUST go in our daily routine.



Sure, there ARE personal choices we can make to affect our financial standing - but it's really pretty callous and unfeeling to suggest that many can easily quit jobs, sell homes (to WHO? when bad economical times hit, who can buy, and how do you buy a new home when you're unemployed!) and move to other locations. To more clearly illustrate that at a personal level, what would YOU do, if you had to quickly quit your job, sell out and relocate? Could you count on finding as well paying a job as the one you left? Could you count on obtaining a home you liked for the same price, or less, than the one you left?



After all, that is what is being carelessly suggested that others can do to improve THEIR situations...



AND, there is a far more sinister downside to the "adjusted for inflation" smokescreen - and that is, it becomes a sedative that lulls our society back to sleep - it says "there's no REAL cause for concern or alarm - it's just the normal way of economics - supply and demand and all that, so just go back to sleep, and don't worry about a thing, everything is gonna be alright tomorrow... "



As voters and consumers, we can either continue to rationalize fuel costs by use of "adjusted for inflation" - a "spoonful of sugar to make the medicine go down" - or take an active part in attempted correction of some of the BASIC related issues and their causes - and simply driving slower is really quite far down on the list of PRACTICAL solutions.



And yeah, perhaps letter writing may be as well, but it's the one *I* have chosen, and we can all at least try SOMETHING...



Far to many are cavalier and indifferent to energy costs, because too this point, THEY are not affected or seriously hurt by those costs - but by the time they ARE seriously feeling the pain, many of their friends and neighbors will be on various welfare and similar tax-increasing programs. THEN, the rest of us will not only be paying higher fuel costs, but ALSO for the tax paid survival of those who no longer COULD cope with those increases.
 
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Gary – Not intending to start a war with you, just exchange of ideas and points of view. I took your initial post “what should we do” as we as individuals and not as “we the US government”.



Let’s look at a few options and put them into short term and long term.



Short term: 1. Federally mandate and reinstate the 55 mph speed limit. The President could enact this virtually over night and would cut the demand for all motor fuels by 10-15% and would absolutely lower the price of all fuels – how much is open to speculation, but could be reasonable to expect 10-20%.

2. Reinstate the consumption/luxury tax on all non-commercial boats, cars, and pick-up trucks that don’t reach certain MPG minimums, and earmark the tax for R&D on alternative fuels.



Before I offer a couple of long term ideas you might want to consider the long term strategic benefit of developing the US controlled fossil fuel “first” and the long term implications of that. Let’s presume that in order to cut our dependents on “foreign” sources of energy we develop and burn all of our sources first – we drill off shore, in Anwar. We burn all of our coal and oil shale deposits first. Then when all of our sources are gone and there is nothing left except the remaining “foreign” sources, where do we turn then…those same foreign sources? If that happens they WILL truly control the US.



Next to the US what country is the biggest consumer of oil – China. High oil prices have significantly greater negative (good for US) impact on their economy then it does on ours. Why is this good for us – they more they have to spend on energy, the less they can spend on their military, and weapons (including nuclear) weapons programs, and the less support they can give to other rouge nations like N. Korea or Syria, or Iran. It also makes them more dependent on international trade (lowering the prices of goods exported) to compensate (remember –they don’t operation like us with supply and demand. If the government tells a company to produce X number of widgets, they produce X number of widgets). There are a tremendous number of other influences that are to complicated to try to explain here, but I hope you get the idea.



Long Term: 1. Reduce regulations to make it easier/faster for building new refineries – what good is having more oil if the current US refining capacity is already running at 96-100%.

2. Offer tax incentives to companies doing R&D or producing alternative fuels.

3. Offer tax incentives to individuals buying highly fuel-efficient vehicles.

4. Develop reliable, efficient and safe mass transit.

5. Invest in modernizing the US rail system.

6. Stop taxing inventory – taxing inventory is what has caused manufactures to reduce inventory of parts and the “just in time supply” system. By allowing manufactures to stockpile inventory they could use more efficient mean of delivering parts, i. e. trains and ships, instead of trucks. The additional benefit of this is a manufacture would get a bigger discount on parts purchased because they could buy in bulk and the cost savings be passed along to consumers (us).

7. Lastly, if you are tired of the oil companies making such huge profits – BUY THE STOCK and get the profits paid to you in the form of dividends.



Let’s face it – the reality is that there is a finite amount of fossil fuel on this planet with more and more people competing for it. If there is a limited supply of anything and the demand is high so will be the price.
 
MMcfall said:
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Here's an easy answer that nobody will want to hear - SLOW DOWN!!!



... ... .





True. . But here in just about all of Minnesota. A HUGE impact will be CORRECT TRAFFIC LIGHT OPERATION. The "is traffic at a light sensors" are the single most stupidest thing to have! I mean, ok, MAYBE at night at 3am with very very very little traffic, it's perfect. . But any other time of hte day? hell no!



No matter where you go here, you hit every single traffic light and stop 0-40, 0-40,0-40. to go one mile.



In about 5% of the cases, I sit at a light that is confused for 5 or 6 minutes before it changes. I have called 911 at ever one of these, state it's a non emergency and complain about that light, ever time I find one.



Ohh get the heck out of the left lane you 55mph driver. Is another one.



Also, MERGE AT THE SPEED OF TRAFFIC, so the entire freeway doesn't have to slow down for you to merge.



Also, People entering a highway, and in the right lane at an enterance/exit, LEAVE SOME FREAKING SPACE so people CAN MERGE.



Most of these MN drivers wouldn't last 10 minutes in LA, Detroit, NewYork City.



I would like to shake the hand, and then break the legs and arms of the morons involved with the "enterence and exit ramps in the same 100 feet of road". What were you thinking? Michigan has one of these. they tried it, saw it was stupid. .



*** RANT OVER ***





This would improve my MPG alot. and lower my road rage by a factor of 100.
 
RustyJC said:
Should anyone be interested, here's the text of an October 17, 2005 speech by Alan Greenspan on this subject. It's fairly lengthy but worth reading if one wants to understand what's going on today and what the future might hold.



Rusty



Thanks for posting that Rusty. Very informative.
 
"We burn all of our coal and oil shale deposits first. Then when all of our sources are gone and there is nothing left except the remaining “foreign” sources, where do we turn then…those same foreign sources? If that happens they WILL truly control the US. "



(sigh)



Some of you aren't paying attention!



IF we truly believe and accept that ALL or MOST of our energy future HAS to revolve around continued use of crude oil and related sources, we're dead already!



I have steadily focused upon aggressive research and development of ALTERNATIVE energy sources, that is, alternatives to CRUDE OIL based energy!



We have nuclear, solar, bio, and an ongoing development of a NUMBER of energy alternatives to crude oil, but AS LONG AS we keep blindly focusing upon "slowing down", "adjusted for inflation", "move closer to your job" and similar sleep-inducing energy "cures", we can pretty well expect that OPEC, hand in hand with our own government and corporate leaders will CONTINUE leading us by the nose!



Self sufficiency and independence for this nation will NEVER HAPPEN again, as long as we're content to rock our cradles on waves of foreign oil!
 
It's not callous or unfeeling to suggest that someone slow down or consolidate trips.

Income has nothing to do with it, so don't start playing the class-card.

And we DO have choices. No, you don't have to sell your house. Nothing that drastic. But most of us drive vehicles that are much larger than we need, and burn more fuel than we need.

A CTD is a LUXURY ITEM for the vast majority of owners. "But I need it to pull my RV!" Hello! Your RV is ANOTHER LUXURY ITEM.

If a person was only concerned about the cost of getting from A to B, then Toyota makes a high-quality Corolla that will give you 40mpg hwy.

The bottom line is that we can almost ALL cope with high energy prices. America did it before in 1973 and in 1980, and there's no reason we can't again.

The problem is that people view themselves as divinely entitled to a large SUV or CTD or RV or some other acronym. Therefore, they are entitled to cheap fuel for said acronym.


The essence of this problem is living below/within your means, and having to make tough decisions when life reshuffles the deck. People don't want to sacrifice standard of living. Heck, if I sold my truck and made some other "sacrifices", I could cut my monthly expenses my $800! A lot of people have even more fluff in their budgets: eating out, movies, vacation travel, you name it.

And we ALL know that people have all kinds of luxuries that could be sacrificed. TV, Cable/sattelite, cell phones, you name it. The number of people who are already at the very bottom and have nothing left to sacrifice is a VERY TINY percentage.

Are we to succumb to the "tyranny of the minority" by making policy specifically to accomodate them?

I can still afford to fuel my truck, but why should I be wreckless with my finances? I drive my truck as little as I need to. I consolidate and eliminate trips. I drive at slower speeds. I keep boost as low as possible and drive like an older fella might, accelerating slowly.

The reality is that there are far more Americans able to make sacrifices than those who can't.
 
Gary - K7GLD said:
"My point is that fuel has become a SMALLER percent of household expense (in the last twenty years) compared to everything else. "



Greg, my "Adjusted for inflation" comment was not aimed purely at you - but a commentary on what a goodly number of better off folks use as a rationalization for upward spiraling energy costs. Sure, a loaf of bread has gone up in price too, as well as other items - but few of us burn several loaves of bread each day as we drive to places we MUST go in our daily routine.



Sure, there ARE personal choices we can make to affect our financial standing - but it's really pretty callous and unfeeling to suggest that many can easily quit jobs, sell homes (to WHO? when bad economical times hit, who can buy, and how do you buy a new home when you're unemployed!) and move to other locations. To more clearly illustrate that at a personal level, what would YOU do, if you had to quickly quit your job, sell out and relocate? Could you count on finding as well paying a job as the one you left? Could you count on obtaining a home you liked for the same price, or less, than the one you left?



After all, that is what is being carelessly suggested that others can do to improve THEIR situations...



AND, there is a far more sinister downside to the "adjusted for inflation" smokescreen - and that is, it becomes a sedative that lulls our society back to sleep - it says "there's no REAL cause for concern or alarm - it's just the normal way of economics - supply and demand and all that, so just go back to sleep, and don't worry about a thing, everything is gonna be alright tomorrow... "



As voters and consumers, we can either continue to rationalize fuel costs by use of "adjusted for inflation" - a "spoonful of sugar to make the medicine go down" - or take an active part in attempted correction of some of the BASIC related issues and their causes - and simply driving slower is really quite far down on the list of PRACTICAL solutions.



And yeah, perhaps letter writing may be as well, but it's the one *I* have chosen, and we can all at least try SOMETHING...



Far to many are cavalier and indifferent to energy costs, because too this point, THEY are not affected or seriously hurt by those costs - but by the time they ARE seriously feeling the pain, many of their friends and neighbors will be on various welfare and similar tax-increasing programs. THEN, the rest of us will not only be paying higher fuel costs, but ALSO for the tax paid survival of those who no longer COULD cope with those increases.



Gary,



You can call me sinister, callous and unfeeling if you like, I was just stating my opinion. Fuel has risen less than the price of the house that has to traveled back and forth from, less than the medical care, less than the food on the table etc. etc... What cost is appropriate for fuel? Half of adjusted inflation? One third?, One quarter? Who decides?



I am not looking to pick a fight with you here Gary. As I have stated before I would like to see fuel drop in price. If fuel were cheaper I could buy more stuff, or donate more to charity or... ...



At some point people have justified in their mind that it is their right to drive a thirsty car by themselves a long way back and forth to work, and the government should control those costs. Hog wash! In my work commute I see the masses commute to work in the San Francisco Bay Area. It was seldom to see more than one person in a car. As a result of these current fuel prices I see less cars on the road and more people commuting together. (admittedly a small change) Also more people on public transportation (Bart). These are good things. The highways here are parking lots during commute time.



Lets face it Gary the solution lies in more energy conservation, more investment in alternative resources. People have to change their attitudes. The one good thing that higher fuel prices will bring is more investment in solar, hydro, wind etc. power. If suffering now with higher prices means that our country will become more energy efficient and less reliant on foreign resources we (or at least the next generation) will be allot better off.



FWIW I have not been fed out of a silver spoon. Been on my own since 18. Bought my first house when I was 20 (rather than have things like a car) and been working 50-60 hours a week since I was 16. I know first hand how tough it can be to afford the cost of living. The Bay area is among the most expensive places in the world to live. As I said before its all about choices. Those who haven’t planned for the future, don't have any skills (and aren't looking to get any new ones) will be the victims of their own doing. We can't protect people from themselves. Ouch, there I go again being unfeeling. :confused:
 
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