Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) Engine failures due to incorrect oil filters

[DieselB59]

Fleetgard is not the problem. Read the first post carefully. Fleetgard is the recommended OEM filter for a majority of the big Diesel engine companies. Ford is having the same problem right now, except their problem is the Motorcraft filter.

 

[Joe G.]

Chris,



I realize that Fleetguard is not the problem. The problem is caused by shopping around to save a few bucks on a cheap filter. So since Fleetguard is as inexpensive as the cheapo then why shop around?

 

[Dkevdog]

I started a thread about this months ago-There may not have been any TDR member to post that they lost their Cummins because of it, but I have personally seen one with my own eyes at a dealer service bay. And the TSB that I have (09-004-01) is from May of 2001. This has been an issue from some tome, and obviously DC is aware of it. I personally use Fleetguard. As far as the KDP goes... ... ... ... ..... this is a hell of alot easier to deal with and avoid... ...



Kev

 

[bavrit]

Oil filters

I have been using K&N gold oil filters with no problem. I asked K&N to respond with respect to their filters. Here is what he sent:



"I get maybe one oil filter question to 100

air filter questions. To be honest, I do not have a clue if neoprene is in

them or not. Were is / what is the neoprene on / in? I would have to think

not as the media is resin impregnated paper and we use metal end caps

internally. They are walking a real fine line forcing people to use

specific filters. The Moss-Magnuson Warranty Act of the Fair Trade

Commission states that if a part is not covered under warranty, the consumer

may use any brand they choose to. I bet if you complained that those brands

were not readily available in your area, they would have to give you free

ones or drop the recommendation. I know someone in Daimler Chrysler

corporate and one of the big reasons they are dropping Cummings is the

variety of excuses they come up with to not have to cover a Dodge warranty.

Of course the use of a Mercedes engine is big too but it is food for

thought. Champ Labs makes our oil filters. They also make Mobile One if

you want to know who makes ours. "

Keep me posted, Rick

 

[QRTRHRS]

Dropping the Cummins?

Originally posted by BAvrit

I have been using K&N gold oil filters with no problem. I asked K&N to respond with respect to their filters. Here is what he sent:



"I get maybe one oil filter question to 100

air filter questions. To be honest, I do not have a clue if neoprene is in

them or not. Were is / what is the neoprene on / in? I would have to think

not as the media is resin impregnated paper and we use metal end caps

internally. They are walking a real fine line forcing people to use

specific filters. The Moss-Magnuson Warranty Act of the Fair Trade

Commission states that if a part is not covered under warranty, the consumer

may use any brand they choose to. I bet if you complained that those brands

were not readily available in your area, they would have to give you free

ones or drop the recommendation. I know someone in Daimler Chrysler

corporate and one of the big reasons they are dropping Cummings is the

variety of excuses they come up with to not have to cover a Dodge warranty.

Of course the use of a Mercedes engine is big too but it is food for

thought. Champ Labs makes our oil filters. They also make Mobile One if

you want to know who makes ours. "

Keep me posted, Rick

 

[Oliver88]

Dropping the Cummins? Haven't heard that one, in a while?

 

[DieselB59]

The inside word is that the Cummins/Chrysler talks on their furthering the program set the contract for another five years.

 

[QRTRHRS]

While it's Fleetgard only on my 5. 9, I use Wix on some other applications. The parts place has a Wix and a Fram cut open for display. Has anyone ever cut open a Wix and a Fleetgard just out of curiousity?



Also, anyone know who makes filters for Case IH?

 

[amsoilman]

Last I read in "Lubes-N-Greases", a magazine devoted entirely for OIl manufacturers, there are only three "Full Flow" Oil Filter manufacturers. They listed "Allied Signal", "Baldwin", and "Champion".



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[radyvolk]

10 years ago I was parts manager at a Case/IH dealer & the filters were made by Fleetgard. I purchased a oil filter from the same Case/IH dealer & I asked if Fleetgard was still making the Case/IH filters & there response was yes. I also found that Fleetgard (Case/IH) filters were less expensive than the NAPA/Wix filters I had been using.



Randy

 

[Six_Man_Diesel]

Believe it, cause it is true. About 2 weeks ago my neighbor, who has a 2001 24 valve with 45,000 miles on it, yes 45,000 miles, locked up tight. He started it to let it warm up, walks out the front door to leave for work, and it is dead. Tries to start it, but nothing, nothing but the jolt of the started anyway. Can't remeber which piston was gone, but dodge did the work under warranty, even though he had a fram filter on it

 

[Diesel Freak]

Napa Gold 1607 here

Yep, that is what I use.



Why?



three trucks, one with over 270000 miles, and two with over 50000 miles... ... and all use the same Napa filter and Delo 400 15/40... ... . with no engine failures.

 

[CPFF]

seized piston

Maybe the other warning letter that was sent out by D/C should be mentioned here.

On some of these motors they tore down for inspection, they found the affected squirter nozzle plugged with a tiny piece of plastic coated aluminum foil - the stuff used to tamper-pruf and seal some brands of oil containers.

It was determined that as the owner tore open this seal, a small piece would fall undetected into the bottle and float on the oil.

Then he would pour this oil into the new filter to pre-fill it.

The center hole in the filter is where the clean/filtered oil leaves it to go INTO the motor. That new oil with the tiny piece of seal in it goes unfiltered directly into the motor. Guess where that piece of seal ends up? (Murphy's Law)



They said if this is what they found, they would deny "HA HA".



CPFF

 

[DieselB59]

I remember a few issues ago the foil was discussed in the TDR. Honestly, they should make the bottles have a removal tab, so that such problems do not happen. I pump mine from a five hundred gallon tank, so I can see what comes out before it gets poured.

 

[Champane Flight]

If I am

If I am not mistaken this warning came out back in 96. They warned of Wix and Napa filters. I use Amzoil and have for 80,000 miles. Won't go to Fleetguard. Use Fleetguard fuel filter, but have no dealer in area and have to send for fuel filters. Keep a spare.

 

[Joe G.]

Champane Flight,



Check around at your local big rig shops. You should find at least one that sells Fleetguard.

 

[Champane Flight]

Nothing

The closest shop around here is 60 miles away. i like my Amzoil filters better than the Fleetguard.

 

[JSmith]

Oil filters the final word?

I was at Cummins West and read an article from the Cummins Power Boosters Newsletter on oil filters. Cummins recommends that Fram filters not be used in the CTD. The article mentioned oil ports for cooling the pistons getting clogged.



The Power Boosters Newsletter offers 10% discount to members on parts and service purchased from Cummins West.



This is just for information. I am not a CPB member.

 

[DMC]

I have been Using the Fleetguard filters for years. But I know people who are of informed mechanical knowledge that prefer the Wix Filters.



Heres a little something I found when looking into the next generation of oil filters. There is a new filter technology that I was looking into. I dont know if Fleetguard is on this trail yet. But Wix is making a XD line of filter and it appears to be impressive. It features a bypass filtration element built into a full flow centrifuge process. They are claiming 50% better filtration over the standard line of filters. I'm not touting these filters at this time. But I will be doing some research on what others are finding.



Heres the source from what I pasted below.

http://www.wixconnect.com/assets/wixpne99-13.pdf



The Heavy Duty Filter

PRODUCT & ENGINEERING BULLETIN

WIX FILTRATION PRODUCTS DIVISION

HEAVY DUTY FILTERS

Wix Filters Built to Withstand

Cummins High Pressure

Surges

Wix Filters 51607 Oil Filter for Cummins

Series B Diesel Engine

Cummins has been

Experiencing Excessively High

Oil Pressure Surges with Their

Series B Engines
Built between

January and November 1998.

The Cummins B Engine has Pressure Surges in

Excess of 250 psi.

Some Filter Brands are experiencing Warping of

the Oil Filter Base Plate Assembly, Bloating

Filters, and Oil Leaks

Wix Filters 51607 has a Static Burst

Pressure of 350 psi and has the Design

Specifications to meet this kind of

Pressure #99-13 6-28-99 Wix HD





Good Luck



Don

 

[jcarew]

There used to be a lot of info out about bad things happening to our engines when a Fram filter was used, something about the adhesives used in the making of the filter being dissolved and allowing all manner of trash into the engine. I had even heard of Fram standing behind their filters an replacing a number of engines that were ruined. this was in the mid-90,s their may be more about it in the archives.