Engine overhaul interval

[jelvington]

Overhaul interval & New Power Stroke Article

How many miles will the new Cummins go before needing a major overhaul?



I just finished reading an article in the paper about the new Power Stroke and toward the end it reads... . "Ford offers yet another advantage over the new Dodge/Cummins engine. Dodge officials made a big point out of the Cummins engine's designed 150,000-mile life, but Ford says the new Power Stroke has been designed to go at least 250,000 miles before any major engine work would be needed. "



This article really praises the Power Stroke and downs Dodge/Cummins all the way down to the "weak" transmissions.



If I'm not mistaken, isn't the overhaul interval more like 350,000-miles?



I found a link to the article, here it is... .



Power Stroke article

 

[Parshal]

I saw mention of 350k as well. Cummins' site says average life is 400k.

 

[jwilliams3]

Dont believe the propaganda your reading.



The average Cummins B series (any ISB,6B,Echo) will have a lifespan in the hundreds of thousands of miles.

Cummins also has hundreds of thousands (probably millions)

of miles of testing with their B series applications.

Tractors, buses, boats, pickups, UPS trucks, gensets, LP applications the B is universal.



The new Ford Powerstroke 6. 0L V8 is somewhat unproven and very complicated.



The new Cummins still has its signature simplicity, and reliability and its Heavy Duty!!



The choice was simple for me.



--Justin

 

[JWerkheiser]

Well, after all, the author of the article is G Williams Chambers the THIRD. Couldn't help but notice that the difference between 555 and 560 ft lb of torque is that that extra 5 ft lb gives you the ability to twist gears.



I want to see dyno graphs of the Ford and Dodge overlayed so we can really compare them. The Ford package does look impressive on paper, especially with that new auto trans, but I am still a die hard straight 6 veteran from the farming days. Nothing works longer and harder than a 6, or Deere would be building V-8s.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

I sent Mr. Chambers and email and set him straight on his facts, complete with a link directly to Cummins page with the 24-valve indicating the 400,000 mile life expectancy http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/products/dodgeram/cummins24vturbodiesel.cfm



When he heard the Dodge reps stating 150,000 miles life expectancy, I believe they were actually saying it is 150,000 miles GREATER than for the new PSD. I pointed this out to Mr. Chambers too



Vaughn

 

[Badunit]

It is interesting the spin that was put on this article. A few i saw:



1. As someone already said, the 5 extra ft-lbs made the PSD "gear twisting" (implying the Cummins is not).



2. The Cummins is already available and will have an automatic around the same time the PSD hits the street. Yet this lack of an available automatic transmission right now is a disadvantage for the Cummins over the PSD even though we'll have one by the time the new PSD is out. (I assume it isn't out yet, haven't heard anything to that effect).



3. No mention of RPMs and when either makes its power and torque. That is an advantage for Cummins that was left out of the article and is important when talking about power and torque for a diesel.



4. Fewer moving parts on the Cummins. Proven engine. A few other advantages weren't mentioned but the article wasn't really about these things.



Quite biased article indeed.

 

[Pit Bull]

After reading his article I am sure that G. Chambers Williams III walks to work everyday holding hands with his boy friend and doesn't know "Jack" about trucks.

 

[b.ferrara]

ctd vs psd

whats up guys! not to get in to a long discussion, BUT I presently

own 2 allis chalmers tractors,1chevy suburban 6. 2 diesel, mercedes benz 190d, and 1990 dodge w250. All our diesels and my baby has 215k on it. I would put her up against any thing.

as you can tell i'm a diesel nut, the only thing not diesel is the

dodge dart & the plymouth satellite and my harley's. OH! by the

way Ialso have a 2000 club wagon e350 p/s diesel auto 355's.

that's my wifes ride wouldn't be caught dead in that, and if dodge ever figures out a way to put ctd in van i'll be trading in the ford

as soon as possible.

 

[Badunit]

I have nothing against any particular manufacturer or vehicle or component. They all have their advantages and disadvantages and everyone has different tastes and desires. To each his own.



I do have something against biased news reporting. If a reporter is going to compare two engines (or anything else for that matter), they really should get their facts straight. it is obvious we have a bias toward Cummins here on this board and the Ford boards have a bias toward the PSD. When you visit these boards you know it'll be a little biased. But our news media should be unbiased, should report the facts, and should report them fairly.



Alas, we don't live in a perfect world and our news has been going downhill as of late; getting more sensational and less factual every day. I quote from our local news a few years ago: Their early evening come-on was something like "Is brocolli bad for your health? Find out on News at 11" Then, near the very end of the 11PM news, they had a very very short news story where they say the answer is no, it's not bad for your health it's actually good. What kind of crap is that I ask? That was actually one of the better ones, for many of these come-ons they never even ran a story on the 11PM news.



But I'm wandering way off track here. Cummins all the way! Mine should be here in about 10 days. I'm chomping at the bit.

 

[Posm]

Someone asked about the RPMs on a prior past. In a Ferd brochure the stated the RATED HP figures at 3200RPM!!!! I do not know where the TQ or the red line was. If the engine has a torque curve like the newer overhead cam gassers they will need a 24 speed auto to keep it in the narrow power band.



Some have stated that the Cummins B engine is "heavy duty". The EPA rates engines based on their expected lives. The "B" series is rated as a medium duty with a life of 350K and the Duracrack and the old powerjoke were considered light duty with a 200K life. Don't know how those numbers are established.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Originally posted by Badunit





I do have something against biased news reporting. If a reporter is going to compare two engines (or anything else for that matter), they really should get their facts straight.

I concluded my email to Mr. Chambers the 3rd by saying "now that you have this information I hope you can represent the new PSD with facts and integrity. "



*IF* I get a reply I'll post it here



Vaughn

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Don't hold yer breath Vaughn...

 

[Speedo]

Heavy Duty/ Med Duty

There is a single application where the new ISBe is rated as

Heavy Duty, as the diesel half of the Allison Hybrid drive transit

coach. That, according to the Cummins rep at a transportation

forum I recently attended.



Gus

 

[rbattelle]

This is an old thread, but...

Found this thread on a search. I find it ironic that the article posted by jelvington says the new Powerstroke will go "250,000 before needing any major engine work". Perhaps they meant 250,000 millimeters? :-laf :-laf



I know, we shouldn't be cruel, but come on... the irony!

 

[Prairie Dog]

I've seen the 6. 0 dyno'd and it's not pretty.

The 03 ferd made 388 ft lbs and the 03 CTD made 466.

Bottom line - Ford is lieing.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Mister Chambers

Originally posted by Vaughn MacKenzie

I concluded my email to Mr. Chambers the 3rd by saying "now that you have this information I hope you can represent the new PSD with facts and integrity. "



*IF* I get a reply I'll post it here



Vaughn

Well, 5 months have passed and I still have yet to hear from Mister Chambers

 

[Ladders]

The 150k miles was for the 2nd gen ISB valve adjustment, ifn I recalls correctly - not for overhauls. Is the 3rd gen the same or more? Dont have my cd with me to look it up.....



\\BF//



(still waiting build date

 

[rbattelle]

The 3rd gen engines have the same 150,000 to valve adjustment, but the expected life to overhaul is up to 400,000 (from 350,000).

 

[EXSTROKER]

not mention the totally incane 6l psd has no cam shaft

just electric valves that is stupider than my spelling

what are they thinking .....

i have ben ford diesel sense 84 no more... ... .

just my 2 cents

 

[stevencarroll]

Advantage Ford

Wish i had bought the new ford with those new fuel injectors. You never need to add oil to the crankcase you just stop and drain a gallon every 500 miles. You will never have weeds in your drive way either the oil leak from the bell housing will take care of that. They also get to stop at the truck stop more often for fuel average of 12 MPG when there not visiting there dealer for a new icp chip or reflash. But i bought the dodge so i guess i will hafto live with it.